Nitto Campee Front + 56 cm Atlantis?

[Aaron Young]

Hey gang,

This is probably a bit of an obscure question.  I'm considering a Nitto Campee Front rack for my 56cm Atlantis with 26" wheels.  Apparently the Nitto Campee Front comes in two sizes for 26" or 700c wheeled bikes.  For me there is significant cost difference between the two models.  So this is a matter or dollars/cents.

Here's the question: has anyone successfully installed a 700c version of the Nitto Campee Front on a 56cm Atlantis??  Experiences?

Thanks,

Aaron "Dollars and Cents" Young

The Dalles, OR

[Philip Kim]

Hey Aaron, I believe the 700c will be too far out and too high to provide stability.

I've used the Velo Orange Campeur front rack. It is long enough that you can mount it to your lower fork eyelet for 26" or so, or upper fork dropout eyelet for 700 wheels. You can also cut the tange to fit. The only different is that you can't remove the pannier supports, but it is lighter than the Nito Campee, and sits closer to the handlebars and wheel than the Campee. It's cheaper as well. Also comes with removeable decaleur for rando bags. I think it's a bit more versatile imo.

[Aaron Young]

Good info Philp - Thank you. 

Any other experiences?

Thanks,

Aaron Young

The Dalles, OR

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[Tim Gavin]

There are three versions, actually.  

27F is the "700c" model.  It has a small platform, and the mounting struts at the bottom are angled.  27R is the matching rear.

F20 is the "26/Mt. Campee" model.  It has a large platform (at least 30% larger than the classic), and the mounting struts at the bottom are angled.  The R20 is the matching rear partner, but it has no lowriders.  It's closer in design to the Riv 32R.

??? is the "650b" model, sometimes listed as a 26" model.  It has a small platform and the mounting struts at the bottom are straight.  There is a matching rear, also called "650b".

The angled struts may reach to the rear eyelet on a fork, but the straight struts are meant for front eyelets only.  

I mounted the "650b" model with straight struts on my girlfriend's San Marcos, and I had success in using the Tubus p-clamps (2-bolt) for the lower mount, and the Tubus fork clamps for the upper mount.

The "700c" 27F may ride quite high above the tire on a 700c Atlantis.  You may be able to lower it by mounting it to the rear eyelets.  (in that case, you may want to use spacers so the rack legs don't hit the fork ends)

But it will fit..  

Be aware that the lowrider frames are shorter and wider than most modern panniers.  The top rail of the lowrider frame is lower than the top rail on the Blackburn/Tubus style lowrider racks, so a modern pannier may hang low off the bottom of the lowrider frame.  (On my gf's SM, I mounted small/medium Mountainsmith panniers, and the bottoms dangle a couple inches past the lowrider frame).

I recently picked up a F20 Mt. Campee off the list, and am tempted to buy the Ostrich DLX panniers that are designed for these racks.

Cheers,

Tim

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[Aaron Young]

Tim,

That's some more good info.  Suddenly I feel like I need to do some more research before buying a rack for the front.  Maybe I'll decide which panniers first and then get a rack that suits/supports them well.  

Thanks,

Aaron

[Tim Gavin]

That's probably a good idea, Aaron.

Personally, I have a pair of Vaude panniers that I'm very happy with.  They use Ortlieb's very easy and secure hooks, and have a plastic back so they stay in shape and out of your spokes.  They attach easily to my rear racks (Nitto R20 and Tubus Logo Evo), but I need to change the upper clip adapters if I swap a pannier between the racks.

For the Campee front, I would love a bag shaped like the Ostrich DLX panniers but with Ortlieb hardware.  The Gilles Berthoud 372 looks great, but they're three times the price of the Ostrich panniers (and quite possibly three times as nice).

You could also make your own out of military surplus messenger bags; they're the right shape.  But, by the time you source the hardware and bags you're more than halfway to the price of the Ostrich panniers.

[drew]

alexcycle.com has a pretty good deal on these.  LINK

[Tim Gavin]

Yup.  Just be aware that the Mt. Campee F20 has a larger top platform than the other two.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:30 AM, drew <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

alexcycle.com has a pretty good deal on these.  LINK

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[Bill Lindsay]

I think you are talking about the F20.  Are you talking about the F20?  There are lots of Nitto racks that say Campee on them.  I counted 8 different models at one online seller.  

When you say "for me there's a significant cost difference", what exactly do you mean?  Do you have a line on a used 27F that you can buy cheap, and you are comparing that with paying retail for the F20?  If so, let me buy the 27F for my 700c bike and get the F20 from Alex's in Japan.  :-)  

I have the F20 installed on my 26" wheel bike and I think it's a tremendous rack.  Pannier choices are limited, but I made my own prototypes and I will probably buy a set of Ostrich panniers from Alex's. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito CA

[Aaron Young]

Bill,

Yez, I am talking about the F20, but I didn't know that's what it was called till Tom filled me in. 

The cost issue isn't a factor now (Alex's), but I appreciate your suggestion of colluding to get everyone racked up happily. :)

I'm eyeing the Ostrich panniers too.   I don't think I can talk myself into the Berthouds. I like the panniers that Swift Industries sells, but they are probably shaped wrong. 

-Aaron

The Dalles

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[Bill Lindsay]

Swift does have some lattitude on custom sizing.  They are a very small, but very responsive group.  Speaking of custom bags, always remember Ruthworks.  You could get custom Ruthworks bags for less than stock Berthouds.  

The aspect of the F20, and 27F that REALLY impresses me is the notion of a post.  The detachable lowriders don't just have a hole that you pass a bolt through to attach them.  The main rack has three threaded holes with a raised post.  Like a squat and stubby version of a cantilever brake post.  The lowrider clicks snuigly over that post, and almost stays attached with no bolt at all.  The bolt is not supporting any of the weight in shear.  The post supports everything.  The bolt just holds the rack on the post and the post does the loadbearing.  I'm thinking that the ultimate frame braze-ons for racks would be similar.  A little post feature with a bolt that is more for retention than it is for load bearing.  If I ever spring for a custom, I'm absolutely going to pursue custom braze-ons and racks to employ that design feature.  

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[Minh]

Aaron, 

I have a set of GB372 that are not in rotation at the moment, while i can't let them go at the price of the Ostrich bags (which is admittedly a good deal), drop me a note with how much you can talk yourself into and maybe we can work out a deal.  

As an aside, i've never actually used these on the front, not sure why, but maybe the combination of nitto rear rack (with the long rails) and my foot size, i've been able to use this on the rear with no heel rub despite the warnings from GB.

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[Aaron Young]

Minh,

Thanks, I'll contact you off list.

-Aaron

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