Mark's Hub Area Rack

[Marty]

Updated photo on the email I just got. Looks great!

[Tom Harrop]

I was just on the verge of buying a Tubus lowrider, but that looks pretty good! I wonder if there'll be an attachment option for the lowrider hourglass...

[Mike Schiller]

I'm anxious to pick one up too. Hopefully they will show before summer

Mike

[Scot Brooks]

As a side note, I talked to Mark yesterday about the bags that'll be the companions of the rack. He hasn't had samples yet, but soon. Obviously I'm chomping at the bit to see/purchase those.

[dougP]

Tom:

This rack looks pretty good & may not need any connector between the 2 (I assume that's what you mean by "hourglass").  I have the Tubus Duo & it's plenty solid.  An advantage to separate halves is the rack is easier to pack with the bike for shipping to a remote start. 

dougP

[William]

I saw that too, and I'm also excited about it.  However, I'm in a bit of a pickle because I don't have any upper eyelets.  Neither my Hilsen nor my Bombadil has double eyelets on the fork tips.  I emailed Mark if it would fit, and he replied that the rack was indeed designed to go on upper eyelets, but he indicated that I could measure the eyelet to dogbone distance.  If that distance is 135mm or less, it ought to work on the lower eyelets too.  

Are there any other Bombadil owners out there with only lower eyelets on the fork tips?  Is mine a rarity?  I really liked the look of these fork tips...all minimalist and sleek, but now I'm starting to envy more attachment points.  

[Mike Schiller]

I thought this rack was designed to fit between upper eyelets and mid fork ( not low rider) rack mounts?  At 135mm  min that would fit low rider mounts too.  I wonder what the max distance is between the eyelet and the midfork mount is ?   I would think it would accommodate 650B and 700c bikes.

I'm also thinking that forward bolt tab could mount to a Nitto Mini Campee or Marks rack with some connector rods for extra support?  That would be the bee's knee's!

~mike

[Tom Harrop]

Guess I'm not the only one wanting a lowrider for the start of touring season...! To avoid doubling up on emails to Riv, has anyone already asked about an ETA for it?

Doug:

Sorry about the garbled message, what I was wondering was whether the new Riv rack would attach to the lowrider mounts on my Bomba, because the mid-fork mount is already taken by a Mini Front. Actually the Duo was the Tubus rack I was about to get, I use 60 mm Big Apples and tyre clearance is another good reason to have two separate rack-halves.

William:

The distance from lowrider mount to lower eyelet on my Bomba is spot on 165 mm, i.e. perfect for a Tubus lowrider. Don't see how it could be less than 135 mm. Or am I confused again here?

[Mike Schiller]

I was thinking to mount both the mini front rack and the HA rack to the same midfork mount. I don't see why it wouldn't hold both.  I wonder what Riv thinks about that?   

~mike

[William]

Tom

I think I confused this thread by forwarding Marks instructions before I got a chance to measure.  Mark's email, which I double checked, must have been a typo.  He probably meant 235mm, not 135. 

I'll wait for Mark to confirm numbers but the unambiguous part is that the HA Rack is designed to go on the upper eyelets on the fork tip and the mid fork braze ons.  It is perfectly fine to share that mid fork braze on between both the HA Rack and a Nitto Mini or a Marks Rack.  It's already been pictured that way on the Blug.  It is not designed to go to the lowrider braze on, which is mounted lower than the mid fork braze on. 

[Mike Schiller]

the 235mm  must be a max measurement. I just measured my two customs which both have mid fork mounts.The 650B measures 205mm from the upper eyelet and the 700c measures 215m to the mount. 

It would be nice to get an approx. arrival date too.

~mike

[oldmangabe]

It looks like an interesting rack.

I wonder about flex or sway of the rack under the weight of a bag when riding the bike.  It only looks like there are two attachment points for the rack, and it looks like they are all along the fork.  It appears that they basically in line with each other along a narrow plane.  I seems that a third attachment point would be best for stabilizing the HA rack and it's load.  Look at how the Nitto Campee Lowrider rack attaches the pannier mount, or how most other French inspired lowirder rack systems mount to a fork.  The pannier mount on the Campee has three bolts which triangulate the bag mounting section to the rack. Other French inspired lowriders (as well as the originals), also have three points of contact; forkblade, eyelet, and then a strut to the small hbar bag platform rack.  Also, there is a reason why Tubus and Blackburn lowriders have the connecting hoop going over the tire, to create a third attachment point and to brace the pannier mounts.  Maybe I am missing something though? 

I will be interested to see what Riv eventually unveils.

Gabe

On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-8, Marty wrote:

[grant]

I don't have a HAR here now, but I'll be using it tomorrow on an s24o. Lots of comments and questions, all good ones that--I or we or Mark can answer tomorrow if I don't answer now. Some things;

1. Which dropout eyelet? As tapebubba says, the top one.
2. Will it go on the bottom/rear one? In some cases yes, but probably not on a 700 fork, because it sits farther from the FRONT fork eyelet, and so it just won't reach (from the lower eyelet). As it is, it works on most of our recent frames (with 26-650-700) wheels with the guitar front dropout, or some of the really old ones with the two-eyes.
3. The HAR's two-point attachment as seen in the blug-or-email has been tested by Nitto, and passes. However, originally and still, the preferred and better arrangement is using this with a Nitto Mini-front rack, and joining Mark's HAR.
4. However howerver, we are investigating (means asking Nitto to make) a loopy-thing like normal low-riders mostly seem to have. We wanted to get around the loop, because loops look funny. Conceivably and if everything comes to pass, one could use both the hoopster and the rod-to-Mini rack, thereby totally ultra-bracing everything whilst creating a "I made this rack myself, step by step" look.
5. If it works on non-RIV bikes, it's a coincidence. Maybe with P-clamps. We aren't against racks-4-all bikes, but there are already lots of them, and we wanted to make it nearly perfect for most of our current bikes, because we doubt Tubus etc has plans to do that.

6. I'ma use it tomorrow on a campout, without connecting it to the Mini-front.

7. Just so we can answer the question, we weighed it today. A pair, left and right, weigh a pound.

Get back used to pounds. In the upcoming catalogue we're heading on back to 'em, because nobody actually knows what 1,039g means. Without translating to pounds, I mean (divide by 453.5). So we're listing pounds, not both, and if you want the grams--convert!

Allf or now--except thank you all for being enthused and complimentary. It is helpful and so appreciated. Any locals who want to see the rack can see it. We have them in stock, but are wating for data fron Nitto before actually receiving them.

[Tom Harrop]

Great info, thanks Grant.

[C.J. Filip]

Add another anxiously awaiting the release of the HAR.

On Jan 30, 5:22 am, Tom Harrop <twhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great info, thanks Grant.

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Tubus Duo rack attaches at 2 points on the fork, without the over-arch, and it is rock-solid. The reason for the solidness is that it attaches at the mid-fork from the inside and from the outside if the fork blade, in addition to attaching at the dropout eyelet. This is technically a 3-Pt attachment and provides rigidity in all torsional directions.

[William]

Mark confirmed via email that the 135mm he told me before was in fact a typo.  Also, Mike Schiller is correct that it is a RANGE, corresponding to the length the long slot in the picture.  

So again, measure center to center from your fork tip eyelet to the mid fork braze-on on the front side of your forks.  If that center to center distance is 195mm - 235mm, then a HARack will fit on your bike.  If you don't have a mid fork braze-on on the front side of your forks, then you are P-clamping it. 

[Scot Brooks]

I'm a little nervous to hear a price for it. After all, the more beautifully curved the metal, the more labor intensive.

[William]

If you were going to guess, where would it fit?  Rivendell currently sells 6 Nitto Racks.  Ranked high to low, the prices are:

1.  Big Front - $198

2.  Big Rear - $195

3.  R14 - $132

4.  Mini Front - $127

5.  Mark's - $126

6.  F15 - $70

I would guess that it will fall in the gap between #2 and #3 on the above list.  That's a big gap, so that's not a really risky bet on my part. 

[Mike Schiller]

For Nitto quality that would be reasonable. IMO they are the best racks on the market.

[William]

I count 8 welds on each HARack side.  16 welds, and a few in-plane bends, for the pair.  The Mini Front has 13 welds (maybe 12) and it's a VERY 3-D unit.  Both are about a pound of the same materials.  In full production quantities, I'd price them in the same ballpark.  I'll guess $147 for the HARack.  

We should take a pool.  Pay $2 and pick the price, no repeats.  Closest gets the pool, and they have to buy a HARack with the proceeds! 

[Robert F. Harrison]

$152. Who do I send my $2 bucks too...nah, I'll just hold on it as it'd just have to get sent back to me. :-)

I'm definitely thinking of ordering once they are released though. :-)

Bob

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[Jay B]

Could one of you forward the RBW email about the racks to me.  I never got it.     burkhrj (at symbol) yahoo dot com

thanks

-jay b.

[Jay B]

thanks bill!

[Matthew J]

The Tubus Duo rack attaches at 2 points on the fork, without the over-arch, and it is rock-solid. The reason for the solidness is that it attaches at the mid-fork from the inside and from the outside if the fork blade, in addition to attaching at the dropout eyelet. This is technically a 3-Pt attachment and provides rigidity in all torsional directions.

 

Agree the Duo is a great design.  I am pleased to see this new offering Riv and curious as to how well it will work.  However things turn out, the Duo will remain a great deal and good choice, provided your bike can accomodate.

 

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've had my Duo for about a year now and can vouch that it is rock
solid. I wish it were as pretty as the Nittos, but for the Fargo
(where it is mounted) the aesthetic is fine. Tubus racks are great
value for the money -- even the 11 oz Fly can carry 20 kg.

They now make several stainless steel racks for the aesthetically demanding.

Patrick "Duo + Logo = 3" Moore

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 07:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I've had my Duo for about a year now and can vouch that it is rock
> solid. I wish it were as pretty as the Nittos,

You've got to be kidding: the Tubus Duo's shape is far and away the
prettiest lowrider EVER.

Now admittedly, the black version, the only one imported into the US,
doesn't look like much. The silver version (available from SJS in
England http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tubus-duo-low-rider-rack-for-26-%
28559%29-and-700c-%28622%29-wheels-silver-prod12798/ )
is prettier, and will end up probably costing about the same as a black
one ordered from a US source.

I once saw a Vanilla touring bike equipped with a chrome plated Tubus
Duo. Now /that/ was gorgeous. (No mistake; the shape's unmistakeable
and I stopped to talk with the owner, who was shocked that I'd heard of
Vanilla, who he believed was still an unknown Portland builder. Ha!)

> but for the Fargo
> (where it is mounted) the aesthetic is fine. Tubus racks are great
> value for the money -- even the 11 oz Fly can carry 20 kg.
>
> They now make several stainless steel racks for the aesthetically demanding.

The shape of the Duo is unique, and it doesn't come in stainless.

It also won't fit a standard lowrider braze-on.

[Mike Schiller]

Steve, obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder...for me the Duo is just ugly. The HA rack looks fantastic to me. 

I'm curious how Grants s24o tryout with the rack went.  Also it would be nice to know overall dimensions the rack is to see what kind of panniers will fit.

I would most likely run it with the rods to Nitto Mini for support too. Be nice to see that set-up in a photo as well.

Did I use up my 3 wishes yet?

~mike

[Manuel Acosta]

http://rivbikes24o.tumblr.com/

Spy shots of the hub rack in action. Dustin looks like he's having fun with them

[Mike Schiller]

 Dustin has all the fun....including two of my former bikes.  Thanks for the pics Manny.

~mike

 

[Jim Mather]

Nice pics, and very useful looking rack. Is Dustin taking Pineapple
Bob's place as tester/model? Just kidding, Dustin, don't give up your
day job yet.

jim m
wc ca

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM, sameness <same...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some sneaky glimpses up on the S24O Tumblr:
>
> http://25.media.tumblr.com/aba0e9ede4d0fd195a4da2935ad6c458/tumblr_mhioiuDDGz1ru625xo2_1280.jpg
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> http://24.media.tumblr.com/cbc59ef732413fa7fee6ed60bca4a73f/tumblr_mhioiuDDGz1ru625xo3_1280.jpg
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> http://24.media.tumblr.com/68e9e06ff6db09def6853227befa7841/tumblr_mhioflDvJt1ru625xo1_1280.jpg
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> http://24.media.tumblr.com/eb9afe3ca9fd18de872d43a0d78a444e/tumblr_mhioflDvJt1ru625xo9_1280.jpg

[Manuel Acosta]

Yikes not my pictures. Granto is the name-o. Hoping to jump on a overnighter this weekend with the famous Dustin. 

[justin...@gmail.com]

Any ETA on this wonderful things? Really looking forward to grabbing a pair or two!

-J

[Deacon Patrick]

I'd suggest giving Mark at Riv. a call and see where things are.

With abandon,

Patrick

[C.J. Filip]

Any updates on the HAR?

[Mike Schiller]

yea!  what happened to the racks ....I  really want to get one.

~mike

 

[Andrew Letton]

I spoke with Jared at RBW a couple of days ago, and he said they're "close", but when I pressed him as to what "close" meant, he would only say that they'd probably be available this summer. ;-). He said that Nitto was working on a reinforcing hoop of some sort. 
cheers,

Andrew

(Painstakingly pecked out on my iPhone; please pardon my brevity and tpyos.)

On Jun 15, 2013, at 8:59, Mike Schiller <mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

yea!  what happened to the racks ....I  really want to get one.

~mike

 

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[jphil...@me.com]

Has there been any more news about these? A pair of HAB racks just might solve my front rack problems.

Thanks, 

John

On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-8, Marty wrote:

Updated photo on the email I just got. Looks great!