Caveman Ketchup, batch #2`

[Patrick Moore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXkokyBlktA

For my own peculiar taste, I have learned so far to cut the salt by half, cut the vinegar by half, cut the sugar by 1/3 or so, be careful with the cloves (cheesecloth, removed after boiling). 

Batch one: I forgot and ground up the cloves with the rest, AND forgot the vinegar. Batch two: vinegar required more sugar -- perhaps the Costco canned tomatoes are just more sour? Much less vinegar and less sugar and salt ought to do it.

But batch 1 was still quite good -- good with calzones! -- and batch 2, mixed with the remnant of 1, promises to be as good in its own way. Batch 3 ought to be better yet.

I can eat enough of this to truly say, "Ketchup *is* a vegetable"!

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[Patrick Moore]

Taste test: batch #2, as described mixed with about 30% by volume of remaining #1, as described, is indeed very good! ~ 8 fl oz with fries from 2 large Idahos.

Patrick "simple dining" Moore, hungry after 24 windy miles on a fixie.

[EGNolan]

Glad you're making it your own! Looks delicious.

 

Best,

Eric

Indpls

[Bill Lindsay]

Only because Patrick is an absolute ZEALOT about his caveman artisinal authenticity, I'll point out that cavemen VERY rarely bought canned tomatoes at Costco.  Nevermind the myriad difficulties building a frying station >10,000 years ago.  

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/04/2013 02:18 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Only because Patrick is an absolute ZEALOT about his caveman artisinal
> authenticity, I'll point out that cavemen VERY rarely bought canned
> tomatoes at Costco. Nevermind the myriad difficulties building a
> frying station >10,000 years ago.

Even more difficulty is presented by the fact that the tomato wasn't
domesticated until 500BC, and that in Southern Mexico, a long long way
from where the people we think of as "cavemen" lived.

Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?

[Patrick Moore]

Ugh sez you all full of ___. Ugh like ketchup. Ugh caveman. Ergo, quod erat demonstrandum.

Patrick "a belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms" Moore

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[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/04/2013 03:37 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Ugh sez you all full of ___. Ugh like ketchup. Ugh caveman. Ergo, quod erat demonstrandum.

You think cavemen spoke Latin?

[Bill Lindsay]

"Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable? "

ABSOLUTELY!  YES!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/04/2013 03:47 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

"Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable? "

ABSOLUTELY!  YES!

Ah, but which?  And on what basis?   Note: there is no ambiguity here, the issue was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

[Deacon Patrick]

For me, the issue was decided by "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes," which was based on petroglyphs.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Bill Lindsay]

"Ah, but which?  And on what basis?"

PRECISELY!  I couldn't have said it better!

[Jim M.]

On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:51:27 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Ah, but which?  And on what basis?   Note: there is no ambiguity here, the issue was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Nix v Hedden: SCOTUS unanimously decided it's a vegetable.

[Perry]

The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most similar to veggies. Unless of course, you believe that not all calories are alike.

• Perry

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/05/2013 12:17 PM, Perry wrote:
> The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most similar to veggies. Unless of course, you believe that not all calories are alike.
>
>

From what I've read, it's nothing to do with calorie density.
Biologically, it's a fruit; but it's considered a vegetable because it's
served as a vegetable rather than as a dessert, and because the Supreme
Court said so in a case about the Tariff Act of 1883, which required a
tax to be paid on imported vegetables but not on fruit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden

We shall leave for another day the question of whether that means that
ketchup itself is a vegetable.

[Bobish]

> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Steve Palincsar <pali...@his.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/05/2013 12:17 PM, Perry wrote:
>> The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most similar to veggies. Unless of course, you believe that not all calories are alike.
>
> From what I've read, it's nothing to do with calorie density. Biologically, it's a fruit; but it's considered a vegetable because it's served as a vegetable rather than as a dessert, and because the Supreme Court said so in a case about the Tariff Act of 1883, which required a tax to be paid on imported vegetables but not on fruit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden
>
>

I know, Steve. I was decreeing it so, as per "emperor Perry" ;)

• Perry

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