Velocity Dyad/Aerohead vs Atlas

[Philip Kim]

Looking to get a wheel set built with either of these two rims in 650b flavor.

I'm about 150lbs and don't carry much more than 20 pounds of overnight camping gear. Most it'll see is the C&O in the summer. Is the Atlas overkill? I also will commute 20 miles with just my lunch in the saddle bag, so I don't want to be too much of a slug.

Thanks,

Phil

[Steve Palincsar]

Since many of us who weigh considerably more butt naked than you plus
your overnight camping load have successfully run 650B bikes on far
lighter rims than the Atlas, the answer surely must be yes.

[Deacon Patrick]

Dyads should be just fine, perhaps with 36 spokes to hedge bets against potholes and future bikepacking? For reference I destroyed my rear Dyad bikepacking on hiking trails on Pikes Peak after two years of ab/use. Me, bike and gear total 280. My front rim is still a Dyad and is happily going strong and I've not been gentle with it.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Philip Kim]

Steve, thanks!

I'm kind of the set it and forget it type of guy, except the yearly maintenance. I'm definitely on the smaller rider size spectrum, and a lot of the advice given was geared toward average rider weights and sizes, so good to know that lighter wheelsets can handle good weight load as well, though I probably won't go lighter than Dyads.

I ordered Dyad wheelset through the bikeshop!

Patrick, I ordered 32 front an 36 rear. So thanks for the advice!

[Steve Palincsar]

There's a HUGE difference between the sort of terrain Patrick goes bikepacking on and the C&O Canal Towpath.  And there's a huge weight difference as well (around 100 pounds!).  I agree with the assessment that Dyads would be fine, provided Philip is mindful of possible erosion gullies, etc., on the Towpath. 

[Mark Reimer]

Been running 36h dyads on my Atlantis for 1.5 years. When I did the oregon outback, my Atlantis weighed 90 pounds. I'm 155. I was not gentle at all on the bike and they're still dead straight. 

[Deacon Patrick]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14816162753/in/album-72157645664039089/

Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.  The C&O Canal Towpath is nothing whatsoever like your field of stones.  Here's what a lot of the towpath looks like between DC & Great Falls:



while farther up-river, a lot of it looks like this:



more obviously double-track.  But if you're looking for the field of rocks Patrick showed:



you're going to have to get off the Towpath and onto the nearby Chesapeake & Ohio railroad right of way and start riding on the railroad ballast.

[Philip Kim]

Haha, I would rather walk than try to ride through that

[Matthew J]

I was going to recommend you look into the reflective Dyad if you plan to do any road riding, but appears not yet available in 650B.

[Mark in Beacon]

While on the subject, does anyone have experience with VO's Diagonale? It comes in at about the same weight as the Dyad, but with a more traditional profile. It is also 20% off, as is everything over at VO during its holiday sale. Anybody run these?

[islaysteve]

I have the VO Diagonale rims on my Bleriot; I bought their wheelset (with 105 hubs at that time ) when I built it up. I'm happy with the wheels, they seem plenty sturdy. However I have very few miles on them, with a few of those miles on the C&O towpath.

[islaysteve]

And thanks for the heads-up on the VO sale, Mark in Beacon!
Cheers, Steve

[drew]

i have dyads and my wife's bike has atlas rims. the atlas is a bit wider and very nice, but i can't really imagine it being significantly stouter than the dyad, of which ive never had any issues (me + loaded bike = 250lbs give or take). 

[Meade Anderson]

Someone mentioned the VO Diagonale rims...I have over 12,000 miles on a set I built and they have done well and true with lots of rough rides and gravel roads...your mileage may vary...

meade...lamenting the early loss of daylight these days...

[Kelly]

Well I have he Atlas on my Bombadil, only thing to watch if you like 50's is the width.  I do believe the Atlas is 25 and dyads are what 22?  Forgot

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

[Daniel Jackson]

Is there a rule of thumb for relationship between tire and rim width?

[Kelly]

I don't know other than my own thoughts on it.... I had a 700x50 flat on me and come off the rim locking up the ride, the sidewalls balloon out more .. so my thought is wider will help keep the tire on the rim in case of a flat, reduce the ballooning and allow lower pressure maybe??    Made sense to me so if I know it' for really larger tires I'm using the 25 as the minimum .. (note this is me only with no facts to back it up)  

I run the Velo Orange shiny rims on my other bikes and run 700x38s and my wifes bike is 70x40s on the dyads and haven't had any problems.  

That's my 1/2 cent :)

Kelly

[Chris Lampe 2]

Dyads are 24mm outside width.  I weigh 400 lbs and I've been running Dyads (Rich Lesnik built) for three years with zero problems.  I don't put in a ton of miles and I like to think I ride pretty "light" for my size so I doubt I've even come close to putting my wheels to any kind of test.  The closest I've come was a high speed jump off a curb (operator error....I wouldn't willingly do that) and the only negative from that might have been a spoke that became a little loose, although the wheel remained true. 

[Chris Chen]

Same here. Dyad/Aeroheat on three bikes (I swear I didn't intend this):

700x35 for road
650bx42 for road gravel
650bx54 for rough stuff

And I load 'em up up. I weigh ~145 and put a fair amount on the front and back; 36 hole.

The Atlas is pretty rim and I think it's a tiny bit wider which might be nice, but don't ding the Dyad for any perceived strength deficiencies, 'cause where aren't any.

Another take away is what tires and pressures you plan to run; The tire takes a lot of the brunt of the weight, and with a high enough final tension on your spokes, you should be great!

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[BSWP]

I'm getting a new frame built up, it's designed for wide tires, and will never see less than 38mm Soma C-Lines, but will start off with those lovely new 44mm 700c Compass Snoquamie Pass gumwalls. The Velocity Page shows me that Dyads are 24mm external and 18.6mm internal, and have 525g mass, while Atlas are 25.4mm external and 19.8mm internal, with 620g mass. http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#models-tab

My main concern is tires rolling off the rim, but I think I'll take the 100g savings and stick with Dyads, they have been so nice on the QuickBeam, running Soma C-Lines.

- Andrew, Berkeley

[René Sterental]

I'm running them on Atlas, the polished version. The look is stunning and I'm working on losing the 100g myself... :-)

René 

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[Reed Kennedy]

Andrew,

Why not consider the A23? I consider it rather the best of all worlds. Plus it's available OC (if that's your thing) and you have the option of going tubeless if you ever decide to give that a try.

I've got Atlas on my Hunq and A23 on my MAP. My next wheelset will be another with A23s in 650B.

Reed

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[Mark Reimer]

I wouldn't worry about rolling the tires off the rims. My Atlantis has Dyad's and I've ridden up to 2.25 tires and pretty low pressure, never had an issue. Currently running 38mm Barlow Pass tires, desperately trying to wear them out so I can justify the 44mm tires :)

I've also run similar tire setups on HPlusSon TB14 (basically a 23mm wide box section rim) and Archetype rims, never rolled a tire. Even on Mavic Open Pro rims I have had good luck running 32 Challenge Grifo tires for CX races, down to 28 psi, and never rolled a tire.

What frame are you building up??

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[Patrick Moore]

I used to ride 2" tires on 19 mm outside width rims, and this off road; no problems as long as you kept the pressure to ~ 30 lb. In the '90s, high end mountain bike rims were often sub 20 mm wide. So 38 mm tires on 23 mm rims is perfectly safe.