Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[RDS]

I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.

[Zed Martinez]

I've got a 52cm green frame in the stand right now about half built, hoping to finish it tonight. The green came out pretty much exactly like the pre-production demos showed. Sorry the pic in the stand is blurry, it was late and I took it in a hurry last night.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9!454124&authkey=!AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U&ithint=album%2c

[Tim Wood]

Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack looks on there, keep the photos coming!

[Deacon Patrick]

Posted in a different thread, but here are the black and blue (turquoise) Clementines on their first (wee) adventure yesterday:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22712606132/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,

Patrick

[Philip Kim]

Also curious as to how people like the Clementine. Looks like the Cheviot is all out everywhere, and looking for clementine or chev to do pointless-riding-just-to-ride type of biking.

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:

[Mark in Beacon]

That is a real nice green, almost like a British racing green. I have a Kuwahara with a similar shade, maybe a bit deeper, bit less blue. Overall I much prefer the color choices for the Clem vs. the Clementine. Which I guess is why I went with black.

[jandrews_nyc]

Is that the exact same green as SimpleOne slimy green?

[Zed Martinez]

Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that rack.

Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a promising start.

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124&cid=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9&group=0&authkey=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U&v=photos

Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs

[Mark in Beacon]

Looks real nice, Zed. I also have a 52cm coming (Clementine). Just curious, what is your saddle height? Also, which fenders are those? Thanks.

[iamkeith]

Gorgeous build, Zed!  For completely selfish reasons though, I hope that your handlebar selection DOESN'T work out.   I'm currently planning/hoping to use some Bosco bars, but with a stem that's somewhat shorter than the 12cm effective which comes on the stock bullmoose version.  So handlebars will be closer to me rather than further away, as yours are - compared to the completes.   I'd be very interested in hearing about your experiences and adjustments as you dial it in, no matter what.

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting acquainted.  

Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der?  

Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does the rack get in the way?  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Zed Martinez]

Mark: usually around 68cm or so. Depends on the shoes and pedals I use most with the bike. I seem to like my saddle about 1-2cm lower than Grant's method would recommend, but I definitely start getting some numbness and hot patches in the balls of my feet if I have the saddle up that little extra. Haven't measured this one yet, still dialing in the final. The fenders are the SKS P55 ones. They just fit a charm with the 48mm SwitchbackHills, which are the fattest road tires I plan to run. Wider will be knobbies and I'll take the fenders off.

iamkeith: I'm hoping it works, because I love the shape of the albastache and how my hands drift and move across it better than any other bar, and all the current alternatives from Riv suit me less (they generally have too much rise near the bends which is really a sweet spot for me when I'm on a good cruise, kick my wrist at weird angles and they start getting weird fast. Curse my finicky wrists). That new choco-moose looks like it could be a good solution for that down the road, much flatter through the bends, I'd probably like that. Mostly, I have a roadster with north roads on it that fall between the albastache and the albatross bars, and I find myself wishing it let me go farther forward more often than I use it all the way back on the grips, so, yeah, I'm hoping this splits that difference more. Haven't ruled out needed to go to a 80mm Dirt Drop for the effective 65mm reach instead of my 80mm Technomic though to really pull it off. I'll give it the rest of the week and see if I settle into it. It's a neat posture, you're way up in the air but still leaning a fair chunk forwards. I want to like it, and nothing hurt or went numb, so, I think it'll work one way or another.

Bill: Whew, I tried. This is the third iteration of a project I've been building and rebuilding around different frames the past two years. It hasn't made it out on tour yet, but the stuff that I had on hand has certainly survived the trials by fire to get here ;) I ran continuous shifting because I ride year 'round in the midwest and I've had a couple winters where slush and muck would get into the rear housing by the drop and then promptly freeze 5 minutes after taking it out in the morning, sticking me with a rather unwieldly 3 speed until I got to the office to thaw it. It's just easier to run it continuous and have to change it out less often, and I never miss a shift now no matter the temp. I haven't tried the brakes yet, but they have a good inch or so they can drop before they hit the rack, so, they will /probably/ work. But, if not, I'll live. Usually if the front wheel is coming out it's flat anyway so it won't be a major hindrance. But it should. I'll try tonight and report back.

[Bill Lindsay]

Yikes.  Freezing water in your shift housing make it impossible to shift.  I haven't experienced that one (thank Lob).  Cold weather folks have to think about more things than I do.  

best

Bill

[Philip Kim]

That looks great! I didn't realize how long the chainstays were, but seems like it would be a comfy ride.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:

[Deacon Patrick]

She's got brass ones of a different color:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22774664922/in/dateposted-public/

Fancy yet affordable

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22395953539/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,

Patrick

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:30:06 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:

[Kieran J]

Fer sure! In the winter, I'm lucky if my bike is even halfway working ..

KJ

[Zed Martinez]

Bill, just had a chance to check and I can release those VO Grand Cru cantilevers and they more than easily clear the tires even with that Surly rack stopping them. Pleeeeenty of clearance. Which, really seems to be the raison d'etre of the Clems.

[Bill Lindsay]

Very nice!

[Edwin W]

Zed,

Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a few hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a few things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth.
One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think (standard) and some are bigger. Beefier?
I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The hoods on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of my pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit.
I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over.
I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The bar I had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that.
Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does it taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead.
When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they were so cheap!
Learning, learning,

Edwin

[alan lavine]

Just some initial impressions: I got the stock build in green, a deep British racing green. Its a thing of beauty, for sure, with attention to detail typical of Rivendell.  Its by far and away the longest, largest bike I've ever owned, with the largest and tallest handlebars, and this may take some getting used to.  Also, the widest tires I've ever ridden...I weigh 170- what is a good tire pressure? Right now its at 25 rear and 20 front.

I have the mounting bracket for a Yepp Mini child carrier attached to the stem and it prevents me from lowering the handlebars any further, so if I can't get used to it like this I'll have to change to Albatross bars for the lower rise. The rack mounts that are above the rear dropouts are indeed M6 and I used these to mount a Tobeak rack for a rear child carrier.

All in all, its lovely and I'm very pleased.  I think it was a great deal, and I hope it was financially rewarding for Grant.  It may take a while to get used to such an upright position, but its primary use is grandchildren fun rides and grocery getting, and city riding.  Going to add decals: "Grandpa express!"

Alan 

NYC

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:

[Zed Martinez]

Edwin. the beefier ones are M6, I actually weird was already used to that because my previous frame did that too. (to others reading in, the two rack mounts immediately forwards of the drops are M6, all the other braze-ons are M5)  So, my rack stays were already drilled out for the larger bolt and it was pretty easy for my attempt. Luckily the Lowes out here finally started carrying stainless metric hex cap bolts, so, while the price each was highway robbery I upgraded from the black steel ones I'd been using previously to some nice stainless for this. I didn't have any problems with the head tube, my Technomic can sink pretty deep into it, so, no idea how to help you there, but I wish you best of luck sorting it out! Looking forward to seeing pics of more builds come out.

[Edwin W]

Here you will see:

1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as it will go without a hammer, it seems.
   
2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
   
3. The tightness with the rack plate.
   

Edwin

[David Banzer]

The stem should go in more - I'd give Riv a call. Don't use a hammer!
I had some resistance with my seatpost going in, lotsa grease helped, but there was a few rough spots on the inside of the seattube.
David
Chicago

[Montclair BobbyB]

Just received my 59 Clementine last evening... I'm buried in other stuff, but managed to quickly open the box and pull it out for a quick glimpse.  It's the orange (although not what I'd envisioned as "Clementine Orange", based on the prototype photos.  From that perspective I have to say I'm disappointed.... I had the whole clementine theme in my head, and even painted parts to come close to matching the original color.  This color will be difficult to match.

BUT, the Clem orange IS a beautiful shade of "orange" even if it's more a kind of salmon orange, IMO.  Once my brain processes this altogether-different-than-what-I-expected orange, I'm sure I'll figure out another use for the "orange parts" and proceed with my build... It looks like it will be a total gas to ride.

BB 

[Frederick]

On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.

[David Banzer]

The grey turned out lovely - I went for that color as well, hemmed and hawed after I chose it, but am really glad I stuck with it.
David
Chicago

[David Banzer]

The top dropout eyelets are M6 as well. I've been piecing mine together slowly in my office, making a list of parts to bring the next day to add during my lunch hour. M6 bolts are now on that list.
Also, I just mounted a Nitto R15 rack on the front, and wasn't too happy with the result, probably because it looks exactly like I should have expected - a rear rack mounted up front. I think I'll either be going for a Haulin Colin rack or get a custom rack made to utilize the top mounts.
David
Chicago

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:

On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.

 

The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color to it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint which make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge  shout-out to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided that I didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final colors would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with this one. 

These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled in the missing windows on the frame!

As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator accidentally put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should have been facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one for now.  

Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge before you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been easier to flatten out, if it had too much curve.  I'm half tempted to fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the reference will be lost on most people.

[Wayne Naha]

iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have cracked the code here.

[Bill Lindsay]

The really nasty stuff that is really good is OneShot.  It's nasty and it's good because it is lead based.  Art stores have it as "sign paint".  I used robinsegg blue as a lug liner and fender pinstriping on a restoration.  

[Kainalu]

Good call. One Shot's good stuff, but not any more nasty than any other oil based paint these days. If you can find a freakishly well preserved NOS can from the good old days you might score yourself some extra beautiful leaded paint, but any One Shot you find on your local art supply shelves will be lead free.
-Kai
with two green bikes, and many perfectly matching green lug windows, in Brooklyn

[iamkeith]

I just used Testors enamel.  Gloss white, mixed with the tinniest bit of yellow will match the crème color perfectly.   

Don't waste your time with masking tape.  (I tried)  Just use a good quality, fine, detail brush.

For the lettering on the napkin rings (headtube reinforcers) just splooge the paint in, and wipe off the surface.   Helps if the paint consistency is not too thin and runny.

I did not sand or prep the surface, other than wiping it with thinner.   Hopefully the fact that it's new and hasn't been handled much and the protection of being recessed will make it stick.  If not, its easy enough to re-do as needed.

It occurs to me that the gray, on the other hand, is going to be tougher.   It is beautiful, but the pearlescent properties are going to make it difficult to ever come up with a satisfactory touch-up color.   Like orange-Rambouillet-difficult.  Have to keep reminding myself that it is a Clem and meant to be abused - beautiful or not!

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/erikas-new-bike-day-riv-clementine.html

Build is going pretty well,  she'll be riding tomorrow!  

[iamkeith]

Looks good!   I was under the impression that the orange had changed to a kind of "blood-orange" but, on my monitor,your shots make it look an awful lot like the construction pumpkin XO-1 paint formula, that was supposedly lost for eternity.  Beautiful.  Paul cockpit is a nice touch.  I too hope she appreciates it, because I'm still feeling guilty about goading you into getting this. You're right, though - definitely needs bigger tires.   Let us know how she likes it.

[Tony DeFilippo]

It was an easy sell... :)  She's pretty excited about having it, I should have the build finished tomorrow for her to get some riding in this week as we still experience warmer than normal temps for the season.  I'll definitely have a 'ride report' once she gets out on it.

The orange is richer than construction pumpkin, I think the fluorescent-lit garage didn't show it properly.  Very nice looking color and I'm really impressed at the seamless decal application. Having just had my Saluki re-coated and decals applied the job Riv's people did w/ the decals is very impressive.  

Tony

[Glen]

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:47:15 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

 You're right, though - definitely needs bigger tires.   Let us know how she likes it.

Or a classy set of fenders, yes it looks great. 

[Tony DeFilippo]

And i"m done for the night... 0100 :)  Got the front fender, rack and light installed (not wired up yet).  The chain and crankset almost broke my spirit.  You need a second donor chain to make the extra long connection which I knew but had forgotten.  Amazingly my parts bin yielded enough of a second SRAM 830 chain for me to make it work, then it was the tedious process of getting the tension right. I think it could still do with a link or two more removed but I'll get some riding in before I commit.  I managed to make an old Deore crank work b y removing the granny ring which gave it the chainstay clearance... I'm running it 1x8 with the 46T in front for now.  34T big ring in the back still gives a pretty effective bailout.

The odd-ness on the handlebars is a wacky bird themed bell and coffee cup holder.

I've only gone around the block but I like the bike, very smooth and cush.  Between the frame geo, the plump tires and the sprung, wide leather seat this is a comfy ride.  I'm also impressed with how well it fits me at 90pbh/6'.  I hope Erika is as comfortable.

Probably won't get to do much tomorrow though I would love to get the rear fender done.  We'll see.

[WETH]

Tony,
That is some great work! The bike and build are looking beautiful. I look forward to a ride report.
-Erl

[Mark in Beacon]

Hi Tony, the bike looks great. I know others have expressed a preference for the proto orange, but I much prefer this version.

 It's interesting that the angle of your photos, from slightly more above, really emphasizes the length of those chainstays!

Regarding the tediousness of tension, that need not be:

http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#chain

Obviously with a bike like the Clem, you are going to be adding, not subtracting. So in that case I would simply attach a nice extra length of chain that you know will more than do it, and then follow Sheldon's method above. Works like a charm for me every time, even on a Big Dummy

[Tony DeFilippo]

She didn't get a full test ride but did take it around the block a couple times, seems like a winner.  Nov in the mid-atlantic is a frustrating time to get a new bike w/ the short days and cooling weather  but I'm sure we'll get out and about at some point over the next week.

Mark thanks for the link, I hadn't read that article though the core recommendation is similar to one of the Park Manual methods.  After finding the first chain to short I chose to go conservative and iterate 1 to 2 links at a time as I only had  single 'super link' and was using the chain tool to try and retain a pin for connecting extra links which I'm only so-so at.

There is no getting around the chainstay length, I'll have to do some side-by sides w/ the saluki and bombadil soon.  It's the biggest bike Erika has from a maneuvering around the garage perspective for sure!

Tony

[Jonathan in Ri]

Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in the same color. Trying not to get too anxious.....

[Tim Wood]

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:48:32 PM UTC-8, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
> Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in the same color. Trying not to get too anxious.....

Well, the day finally came and I couldn't be happier. The fit, the colour, the ride! They nailed this bike. It rolls over everything, climbs surprisingly well, and is silent as can be. Still getting use to the shifters but that'll come. Put a nice Z-shaped scratch down the length of my seat post while setting it up - doh!

A couple pictures, taken in the evening, sorry for the quality. For any fit reference, my saddle height in these pics is 79cm. My pbh is 90. I had been worried about standover but it isn't an issue. I measure it at 34.25" with the stock 29x2.0 tires inflated to 40psi. The brochure said 34.75", maybe that is with the max 60c tires? Either way, I'm able to straddle the bike comfortably at lights. Also the long top tube is not an issue, especially with the boscos. I'm not use to being so upright, and would even consider switching to an albatross or a moustache down the road.

K, gotta go, off for a night ride!

[Mark in Beacon]

Hi Tim. Did you try the stock saddle? Any thoughts if so?

I'm curious as to how upright this is going to be. I thought I was kinda upright on my Le Tour mixte with albas, and a while back I commuted on a Schwinn Suburban for a year. Ditto with a classic Raleigh three speed. But these were all relative to a drop bar an inch or more below saddle height. Are the Clems are in another league? I guess the Dutch style, which I have never really ridden?

[Zed Martinez]

Hey Mark,

I can't speak to the stock boscos obviously on my build, but I can say there often seems to be some confusion about upright posture and "Dutch" style. If you look at an omafiets, you'll see the saddle is rather low, and the handlebars quite high and very close. They have rather short top tubes. The closest American thing are usually whatever the cheap comfort hybrids Trek are offering are. You ride them kind of like a box, I know guys who like motorcyles that way. There's no lean because the handlebars are already /right there/. It's been my experience with the Clem frame and my other long top tube (a 3 speed Simcoe roadster) that the long top tube actually is there to keep upright bikes from having that "Dutch" feeling. They let you get up and get the weight off your hands while still letting you get in just a bit of lean. I like it, a lot. It was actually remarking that my Simcoe was the most comfortable bike I'd been on once I raised the bars that sold me on the Clem frame when it went up. Long top tube plus tall bars is a really nice formula for sitting "upright" without losing some of that "active" feeling that a lot of upright bikes do have but not a lot of people seem to assume they will. 

Now, the boscos sweep back, so, I imagine the primary grip is rather upright, but you have several good ones forwards of that, unlike a traditional north roads, say, to alleviate that. With an albastache now on a dirt drop stem about 2" from maxed out I'm getting a comfy upright position with a little lean back in the wings. If I dropped them a couple of inches my posture would be almost the same as it was on my Rivenfried 80's Fuji, except rotated so less weight was on my hands.

[Tim Wood]

Hey Mark,

With regard to the stock saddle, I only rode around a parking lot for like two minutes on it and put my brooks on before my longer rides so I can't really comment too much. It felt pretty good tho, it's a flat saddle and is wider then my b17, it almost resembles the shape of a b67.

The riding position is upright but you can still achieve some lean in your back, I think it feels tall more than upright if that makes sense. That being said, and as Zed alluded to, the boscos allow for multiple hand positions which allow you to get lower and more aggressive if the situation calls for it. I found when I was climbing I grabbed near the "stem" on the flat, front area and that got me in a pretty aggressive position. While descending or powering the flats, I found it comfortable to rest my forearms on the high tops, on top of the brake/shifter lever area, and grab just fore of them. In that position I would say my back was flat and almost parallel to the top tube. But it sure was nice after riding hard in these positions to sit up and grab the grips and not feel stretched out or strained. It's the best of both worlds. I even did some out of the saddle efforts and once I got the cadence and weight of the bike figured out it was a nice climbing position. That being said, running bar end shifters on these bars may be difficult as you'd be bumping them with you legs and or body.

The bike is like a locomotive, once it's up to speed it just rolls along, soaking up the bumps beautifully. I literally smile every time I'm on it. It's raining here in Vancouver and my fenders haven't arrived yet but I think another night ride is in the cards. Can't stop thinking about my Clem - thanks Riv!!

[Mark in Beacon]

Thanks guys. I was being all patient and zen about being pretty much last in line, but now I am really starting to anticipate! I reckon at the rate things are going, I will at least have a nice Christmas present.

[Edwin W]

OK! Getting there. Need to wrap grips and get a bell, need a mm or so of spacing at the bashguard so the chain doesn't rub... some other fine tuning is needed, I am sure. The basket is probably too big, but my son said he liked it this morning so we can hold on to it for awhile. 

Setting up the front brakes AFTER I had installed the rack was not very smart. first I found out that I needed to flip the connecting plate to get under the wire and there just was not a lot of room to maneuver.

Thanks everyone for their advice and help. I probably spent 20 hours doing what a good mechanic could do in 2, but if I only value myself at $1 an hour (that is generous) I saved a lot of money. Kidding aside, this is my second full build and it helped me learn a lot.

Edwin

[Edwin W]

Here is a Flikr album of the few photos I have taken.

Edwin

[Zed Martinez]

Looking good, Edwin!. I like how even in different builds these Clems tend to just have a good solid "bikeyness" to them. They're never really any particular type of bike, just, yanno, a bike.

As an update on mine with the albastache, I was finally able to get back on it this morning after a few days off from a leg injury. In the meanwhile, I switched to an 80mm dirt drop stem I got off another group member, and it works exactly as advertised when paired with the albstache. Tall and close. I probably could have lived with the 80mm Technomic, it was comfy and fine, but it was biased a bit more towards the sporty end, and felt just a bit short of comfy upright back in the wings. Not a problem now. In the wings it has a very north roads upright feel, I have a back angle maybe somewhere in the 70 degree range. Pleasant for slowing down and taking things in. But unlike the north roads I have the spots through the hooks, and then on the brake bodies was great this morning ducking out of an annoying cold headwind. Not as fast as when my bars were much lower, but enough to nullify the wind, and having the comfy upright at the ends now is a good compromise.

Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:

The bars sure look way the heck up there in that shot, but they don't ride like it at all. In the hooks I really feel more like I'm on a sportier flat bar bike. Brilliantly weird geometry, these Clems.

The one other thing I have to do (and warn about, I suppose) is switch out my front canti for a low profile I have arriving this evening. On the 52cm frame, the wide frog-leg cantis do clear the Surly rack just fine, but they're right smack dab in the way of hanging my panniers in either the low or high spots. D'oh! Throwing a cheap Oryx on there for now while the bike is just pulling the usual light duty. I'll see about saving up for a Paul maybe down the road, or if I'm feeling like spending way too much just for aesthetics maybe I'll buy the matching Grand Cru Zeste low profiles and just deal with having two sets of high/low profile cantis. Seriously, why doesn't VO sell those by the wheel, anyway?

[Ryan Thompson]

Hey Tony we should meet at the Navy Yard sometime when I ride my Cheviot in. I'd love to see the Clementine orange next to my Chev's orange.

Ryan

[Mark in Beacon]

Zed, what is the light you are using here? How is it clamping to rack diameter tubing? Thanks!

[Zed Martinez]

Mark, it's just a Cygolite OSP with external pack, a discontinued model (picked it up on clearance at some point for peanuts) but I think the Mitycross line is the same stuff. It's just a handlebar mount, but even with the provided padding I couldn't quite get it tight enough so I just used some electrical tape to help me wrap another thin piece of rubber padding from some other light mount around to make the tubing a fatter diameter there. After a couple of rounds of trial and error I got just the right fatness for the clamp to catch properly. It's more secure than it looks like it oughtta be, Then I just strap the pack to the front of the rack on the underside. Like this:

[Tony DeFilippo]

Ryan that sounds great! Maybe early the week of thanksgiving... I'll hit you up off list. I also have to figure out how to ask my wife to borrow her new ride for a day! :)

[jandrews_nyc]

[RDS]

What width tires comes stock on the complete Clem size 52?

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:

I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.

[Mark in Beacon]

Thanks Zed. I do the electric thing with my cygo too. Even with the double bit of rubber it is too loose on most every bar. I don't get why they make it like that. But getting down to rack diameters...wish these light companies would make a better range of interchangeable mounts.

[Zed Martinez]

I suppose we could always chop off the plastic receiving clip from the bracket and epoxy it onto a small hose clamp. Wouldn't be pretty, but man that'd be a good fit for a rack mount ;)

[Mark in Beacon]

I'm getting a  52 Clementine complete build in gloss black as well. That is one fun-looking bicycle, and classy, too!  I am getting antsy!

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 10:03:46 AM UTC-5, jandrews_nyc wrote:

[Jonathan in Ri]

Shipping details arrived via email today. My Clem will get here next Friday....

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/clem-complete.html

Erika's bike is functionally complete, time to go for a ride.  Glamour shots alongside it's inspiration in build-up, my Saluki-commuter.  I love how versatile the 52cm Clementine is, I find it perfectly comfortable with just a seatpost adjustment to ride it and so does my wife (5'5" vs 6'0").  That's a huge plus.  Only wrinkle in the good feelings is I broke off a screw in one of the rear braze ons, then broke of a drill bit trying to remove it...  lesson learned is that all threads need to be chased before use on my Clementine at least.  I had a fairly significant amount of paint that needed removing.  Luckily their's 4 sets of braze on's back there...

Off for a ride to a late lunch on these two bikes!

[Tony DeFilippo]

I meant to add a picture as well;

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Beautiful bike(s), Tony!  My wife's Clementine frame arrived Friday – now I have to get it built up, and Erika's bike is an excellent inspiration.

 

p.s.  Is that a Tom Ritchey stem?  Sweet.

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[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Tom!  Enjoy the build in your bike-palace! I can't wait to see the pictures.

That is a Ritchey stem stolen off a MB-3 that I think it was original to, along w/ the deore crank.  

[ian m]

I was looking forward to naming this Mt Clem or something with the choose-your-own-Clem-name decals but the new blue paint really makes up for it. Built it all up last night and lost steam once I got to trimming the rear fender stays. Rides like a dream

[Shoji Takahashi]

That blue is terrific. I like those bullmoose, too. 

[Zed Martinez]

Woo! Another sportier build. How's it ride with the mountain-y bars on that long TT?

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 9:42:08 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:

[John A. Bennett]

Here's Jessica at Rivelo in Portland with her orange 52cm Clementine. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/-C6MSlmT8I/?taken-by=rivelo_pdx

Cheers,

John

[John A. Bennett]

And here's a showroom full of Clems and Clementines at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/-HwMSWmT-Q/?taken-by=rivelo_pdx

"Come on by"....or make that "come on, buy."

[Bill Lindsay]

Including 52's, it seems!  

[El Sapo]

I've got over 100 miles on it and couldn't be happier. Probably a different saddle and tires. Just for the fun of it.  I'm OK with the shifting, but I think that's another possible upgrade if it isn't too expensive. What do I need to do? Get the silver shifters that aren't indexed? Or, is there a way to index? I'm a rider not a builder. Obviously not a photographer either. 

[El Sapo]

I had to try editing one shot

[islaysteve]

El Sapo, Your photo shows the color well, and the color is great, IMO. Regarding indexing, you should be able to index by installing most any Shimano/SRAM compatible indexing shifter, compatible with number of rear cogs,which in your case is probably 9, but check. You will have many choices, not all expensive. Make sure they will fit your bar diameter. Any good shop will be able to help you. Riv is not into indexing, but I'm sure that the good folks there could also give you info and advise. The Rivish method would be to install some indexing shifters like Shimano barcons on Paul Thumbies. But that is a more expensive solution. Lots of folks here index and I'm sure they will correct me if I've given any misinformation. Enjoy your new bike!
Steve

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks all for posting these photos! It's great to see the different colors and the various build concepts -- very inspiring!

Here's a set of pictures of the build progress on my 52 grey Clem frame; it's gotten to a state where it now looks like a bike. I still need to decide on the rest of the drivetrain -- I have an 8-speed 12-26 cassette in the rear (want to go the friction route), thinking that I'd get the Sugino 40/26 double, but then the 1x setups that I'm seeing intrigue me. Decisions, decisions!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/albums/72157659062048963

Bob E

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

GREAT pic!

 

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I had to try editing one shot

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, RDS wrote:

I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.

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[Edwin W]

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-6, RDS wrote:
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.

1st ride today!

[Mark in Beacon]

Wow. That is one lucky kid! How old is he, and how tall? I may have to get back on the list for my little guy.

[Edwin W]

I haven't measured his PBH, but he's 9. I think he is about 4'6". It's a stretch, literally, but he rode all over town today. The only way I could (barely) justify it is that his two brothers will ride it, too, as they age up.
And that it is awesome.
At the record shop there is a guy who rides a Romulus and an Atlantis and another guy who just signed up for a Joe.
Nashville is getting into Rivs!

Edwin