Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame for sale in a couple months!
Check the site right now don't wait hurry go.

[Brencho]

ha yeah i'm pretty tempted myself! i'm thinking of a sam to be a lighter whippier alternative to my atlantis but my better judgment says to chill out (and imagining my wife's response)...

[Bill Lindsay]

That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.    

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

[Joe Bunik]

I still think a canti-Cheviot would be AWESOME... just sayin'.
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Nut Creek, CA

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[Joe Bernard]

Ah geez, I gotta buy road brakes. You're right, Bill, that rebate is gonna come in handy!

[Belopsky]

I wouldn't do it. The Atlantis is great and the SH won't be that much lighter/whippier.

[Bob Lovejoy]

A canti-Sam has always been near the top of my list and a choice of black or the sage makes my head spin.  That said, I just built up a perfectly good and fairly cool Raleigh Randonneur and have an Appaloosa that is perfect for me.  I also have a more-than-perfect Cheviot.  I think I am at or in a good place.

Still... a great price and a great chance.

Question...  Would people consider a canti-Sam something of a sportier but still do-it-all bike versus the Joe A.?  

So, from sporty to less sporty (and not considering the Waterford's or customs or, I suppose, the Clem's):

Roadini

Sam H.

Joe A.

Cheviot

I know, at least assume, the Sam is better for a drop-bar set-up (though mine is currently successfully set-up with drops) and also has a shorter wheelbase.  Does anyone know if the tubing is the same on Sam versus the Joe?  I know the forks are different - and probably stouter on the Joe.

I should also add that I believe each of these four bikes to be perfect for their intended purpose.  I was just trying to imagine the ride difference between the Sam and the Joe.

Anyway, I have backed away from the keyboard a few times but wow(!), something of a deal on a bike I have always wanted is hard to not consider.  Anyone on the fence and without new builds or bikes in the recent past should really consider this!

Bob L.

Galesburg, IL 

[Joe Bernard]

I'll have to dig into all the literature more, but I presume the Cheviot is more like a Sam with a droptube. I'm thinking it's sportier/less-touring-ish than a Joe A.

[Jay Connolly]

If I didn’t have the big Clem L on the way, I’d be all over the Cheviot.

Jay

[Bob Lovejoy]

I assume the 58cm canti-Sam will be a single top tube (like the 2016 versions).  Anyone know or suspect that not to be true?

Bob

[Belopsky]

theyre like the previous iteration except w cantis

[Joe Bernard]

Jay, my Clem L is literally three months old (maybe four) so this is ridiculous, but I *really* like the fully-lugged Chev, and that color at that price came at a perfect convergence where I had just sold a recumbent trike and a couple bags. BOOM. Plus I have some heavy sentimental value invested in the Roadini color which reminds me of my first Riv, a Romulus.

Now I just have to decide what to do with the Clem. I have the cranks and front derailer that came on it, which I removed for the e-kit, plus the Boscos and stem I just replaced with a Jones Loop. The Chev will need road calipers and short-pull levers, so that leaves the brakeset on the Clem. Oy, now that I think about it, I pretty much just need another 650B wheelset to have two complete bikes! ;-)

[RichS]

Regarding the Sam/Atlantis question: I have both. The weight isn’t much different between the two but in my experience the feel and handling are quite dissimilar.

The Sam has a lighter feel on the front. The Atlantis feels more “planted” and a bit stiffer overall. Tubing, geometry and wheel size obviously contribute to the ride characteristics.
51 Sam being 650B; 53 Atlantis is 26”.

The Sam is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I’m tempted to bite on this deal! The black and cream color combo is gorgeous. Cantis too!

Regards,
Richard

[lum gim fong]

Great idea for cantis!
I think every rivbike should have canti option for max tire and fender clearance and easy front rackability.

[John G.]

Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do you ride?

[R Shannon]

John,

Dave at Rivendell has a Sam single speed. Check out the Staff Bikes page on the Riv site.

Best,
Richard

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> Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do you ride?
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[lconley]

With Little Big Bens and sidepulls:

With Big Bens and centerpulls:

[Surlyprof]

I'm not one for single speeds but THAT is a beautiful Sam!

John

[Surlyprof]

Bob,

I have an orange canti-Sam and ride both trails and roads. I do switch wheelsets often lighter Synergies with Barlow Pass ELs for roads and A719s with Smart Sams for trails. The Sam handles both pretty well. I'd thought about trading to a Joe when they first came out for the wider tire clearance but liked the Sam better on roads. I think I'd prefer the Joe on trails and for bike packing (although Sam handles it). If I'd been debating it at purchase, it would have been a tough decision. Since I would have had to sell the Sam to buy the Joe, I stayed happy with what I had.

One thing I found is the cx50 brakes are a must on a canti bike if you change wheels often. Will suggested that and it's been a great purchase.

John

[Philip Kim]

wow, thanks for pointing this out to me. newsletter was buried in my inbox.

that cheviot color looks awesome, and i do love the sage color. it will look nice on the cheviot.

i  would love a canti sam, but too many bikes not enough funds. if the cheviot ever had cantis, i don't know if i could resist...

[RandoNate]

Hey that's my bike! Thanks again lconley for one of my best all time purchases! I do kinda wish it had cantis though...

[CoalTrain]

Next Cheviot run they need to add disc brakes or cantis.

[Belopsky]

LOL!

[Patrick Moore]

I dislike double top tubes, but I like the rest of this Sam! Well, I'd prefer discs or cantis. But the rest of it! 

ENO?

And are the Big Bens, as a very quick Google said, really 2" wide? On a Sam?

My earlier, 55 or 56 cm single tt Sam wouldn't take a 50 mm tire, so I guess they've changed the design?

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[lconley]

The Eno eccentric rear hub had to be positioned rear and down the get the rear Big Ben to clear. I had to use center-pull brakes to get the front Big Ben to clear. "Clear" means not touching. The rims are Velocity Atlas. I moved the parts to my V1 Roscoe Bubbe and sold the Sam frame (only Riv that I have parted with) - it actually has less clearance in the rear - I had to true the wheels/tires to the frame to compensate for slight variances in the tire. Clearance is a couple sheets of paper - need to keep the tire pressure down also. Do not try this at home.........

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 2:06:08 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

I dislike double top tubes, but I like the rest of this Sam! Well, I'd prefer discs or cantis. But the rest of it! 

ENO?

And are the Big Bens, as a very quick Google said, really 2" wide? On a Sam?

My earlier, 55 or 56 cm single tt Sam wouldn't take a 50 mm tire, so I guess they've changed the design?

[Bill Lindsay]

I hope somebody follows Will's advice and builds a two-speed Cheviot.  Will recommended a 17T freewheel with a 40/26 in front and a Paul Melvin.  That would rock.  No derailleurs at all would be fine.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Joe Bernard]

Ha! I don't think Riv is ever going to do discs, but if one of the youngsters talked Grant into it, it would be on a stout TIG'd model like the Clem. Which currently comes as a step-through with cantis, so I don't see the need to change brakes on the Cheviot. Chev is more of a road/country bike like the Hilsen and Hillborne, but with a dropped toptube (droptube). I think it's pretty cool the way it is.

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Not a Cheviot, but I have similar drivetrain plans for my Clem.  Well, I should more accurately state that I've been trying to decide between doing the Paul Melvin dingle thing with a single cog and spacers on the stock rear wheel and Silver double crank vs. a 1x9 using a spare crank (or 1-at-a-time x 9 with the stock Silver double) and 12-36 9sp cassette.

I'd need to get a spacer kit if choosing the former but have the Melvin and all other parts sitting around waiting.  Nothing wrong with the current 2x8 stock build but I haven't been getting much mileage lately and found the limited gearing of a single or 1x9 will be plenty for my expected riding .... and I'm catching the tinkering bug again after a 6 month self imposed moratorium.

Brian Cole

Lawrenceville, NJ

[Bill Lindsay]

Joe is probably right that Rivendell won't likely add disc brakes to a step through, but as a bike mechanic the thing I dislike the most about most step-through bikes is the rear brake cable routing.  A "DISKY MIXTE" would eliminate those routing workarounds by running everything down the downtube.  Even if Riv doesn't ever build one, I want to see more DISKY MIXTES.  Ahearne has done several.  This should be a link to one of them:  DISKY MIXTE

 Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nifty DISKY MIXTE. I want one just like that, clear coated!

[R Shannon]

That is one nice “disky mixte”. Beautiful proportions. Thanks for sharing Bill.

Best,
Richard

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> That's a nifty DISKY MIXTE. I want one just like that, clear coated!
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[Bill Lindsay]

As tempting as it may be, I do not need to see a FIXIE DISKY MIXTE.   Maybe it would be cool to see one with 584mm wheels, which might be called a SIX FIFTY DISKY MIXTE.  The most perverse one might be to get one custom built in Titanium, in which case you might end up with a:

LYNSKEY SIX FIFTY FIXIE DISKY MIXTE

[Joe Bernard]

BILL.

[Ann L]

If this sale had come up 4 months ago, I would've have been totally down for this set up.  I greatly admired the sage Sam's but thought they needed the contrasting cream head tubes.  I really like how they have expanded the tire width accommodation. 

I really love my Appaloosa and have put over 15k miles in the past three months.  But it would have been a much harder decision if this was on the table.

[Bill Lindsay]

15,000 miles in three months is a 170 mile a day average. I hope that’s a typo

[Mark in Beacon]

Don't be jealous. You'll just have to start 10 bikes, 2000 miles each, one month. You got this.

[Ann L]

It was a typo.  I've logged over 1,500 so far.  But 170 miles a day would be both epic and awesome :)

[lum gim fong]

You could do RAAM on your Joe!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Ann I would have stuck with the 15k story 😊

[tc]

John, my PBH is 90.5 and I ride a 58 Sam with 46cm noodles and the 80mm Tallux stem.  I have Schwalbe 35mm Marathons on it.  Just a wonderful bike all around.  Having a canti version would solve the issue I have with trying to install decent metal fenders ... just not enough room for anything but plastic SKS fenders with the tektro long reach brakes.

[lum gim fong]

Yup, they dangle too low below fork crown . Inhibits max fender clearance.

[Jeremy Till]

Ask and ye shall receive, Bill:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbpzDCSgESY/

2018 Soma Buena Vista will have discs and take 650b wheels. Sliding dropouts mean all you would need is a disc fixed hub (Paul Components, maybe?), and you'd have your

DISKY FIXIE SIX FIFTY MIXTE.