Jamboree, China Camp

[Anne Paulson]

The poll has always had the SF/China Camp option leading. Right now,
among those who express a preference, China Camp leads 20-14.

Shall we now declare that we have decided, and begin to implement?

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[Robert F. Harrison]

I'm not sure I actually voted. I did suggest we have it on the weekend 7/19-7/20 so that I could make it but I'm not sure that's actually a vote. In any case, I'm all in favor of SF/China Camp. 

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[Anne Paulson]

The poll is here:

http://doodle.com/skm8u4ges4gtxqt5

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The 2 MSP options combined tally more than the single SF option. Maybe there should be a run-off vote for the leading MSP date vs the SFO date.

[Dan Abelson]

I note though that as a location Minneapolis is leading 28-22. Being from Saint Paul I may be biased but it seems like we should pick a location first and then a date. It seems that by offering one date for San Francisco and 2 for Minneapolis the Minneapolis vote got split. I would not be surprised that if there were only date for Minneapolis, it would have more votes than San Francisco.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

[Tim Gavin]

Also, the July 19/20 date conflicts with RAGBRAI, on which I met several RBW bunch folks.  Another vote against it for midwesterners.  I'd love to make it to Riv HQ for any of these events, but that date rules this one out.

Tim

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[Anne Paulson]

Nobody voted for the second MSP option and not the first; the two MSP
options combined have more votes only because lots of people voted for
both of them. Everybody who voted MSP, for either date: 17. Everybody
who voted for China Camp: 22.

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[PeterG]

I agree that we should be voting on just one MSP date...it would be more fair....I think

[Stephen S]

2 people voted for all 3. 

So it's currently 20 (not msp) vs 18 (either MSP). This isn't really significant of a difference between the two choices. 

It's my opinion that we won't get consensus on one site or the other. I think it might be prudent to plan two get togethers and let the folks who want to go to them go to them. 

Stephen

[hsmitham]

FWIW I think we should have a vote on the location first then the date. As far as two Jamborees please don't do that to me as I'll have to go to both and I can assure you it will create a conflict betwixt me and my significant other. Additionally, perhaps the location not chosen will be the location in 2015.

~Hugh

[Anne Paulson]

The poll is depressing me. Not the closeness of the vote; that's fine,
I voted for SF Bay but either location would be wonderful. But looking
at the names... except me, it's all dudes. I knew that more men than
women bought Rivs, but 45 to 1? Riv Chicas, where are you? Cecily,
Liesl, other chicas? Anyone?

[Hugh Smitham]

Anne,

I voted, however my wife will be joining in as she rides a new Betty. Though she might not be doing the longer rides, then again she is riding more now that she has Betty. I know this doesn't change the men to Riv Chica warrior ratio much but it's a start. Perhaps the others have chica warriors not represented.

-Hugh

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[Dan McNamara]

The Betty rider in my house was good with SF. I'll have her do an official vote

Dan

[Anne Paulson]

Yay for Riv Chicas on new Bettys. And Riv Chicas on other bikes.

And I hope and anticipate that we have some rides for people who don't
want to do crazy long or crazy fast (or just crazy) rides.

[Manuel Acosta]

Great thing about these big events is that it gives folks options. 

I don't mind trying to figure out a ride for those looking for doing something stupid.

[Anne Paulson]

Of course we should have crazy rides for people who want crazy rides.
Point is, we should also mellow rides for people who want mellow
rides.

[Lee Chae]

I can think of 3-4 great rides using China Camp as a start-end point and covering a few different types of ride:

1. A mellow ride around the Paradise Loop rollers. Only one medium-size hill along the way. So, a climb out and a climb back in. I would figure the basic loop would be ~25 miles(???), but can be extended with some easy miles and cover a range of great places for a lunch, including a great little seafood shack right out on the pier ;)

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Paradise-Loop
http://www.331fish.com/

2. A medium-effort ride out to Point Reyes and the great Bovine Bakery. Several climbs to deal with, but the scenery is worth it. And none of the hills are killers, though the baked goods may be.

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/point-reyes-loop
http://www.thebovinebakery.com/

3. A harder ride up Mt. Tam either on paved road or trail, followed by the Seven Sisters rollers, the beautiful descent to Alpine Dam, the climb out to beer and sausages in Fairfax, and an easy bit back to China Camp.

http://www.strava.com/activities/29392795
http://www.yelp.com/biz/gestalt-haus-fairfax-fairfax

4. A dirt ride: There are lots of single-track-type dirt rides right in China Camp, and many more in the immediate surroundings.

http://www.marinfattire.com/chinacampbiketrails.html
http://mikesbikes.com/articles/mountain-bike-trails-marin-north-bay-pg126.htm

One question I had is it seems many Riv owners own more than one Riv. How many will be packing more than one to the Jamboree? I mention this in hopes of there being some sort of Entmoot called during the event, as that's the only Riv I own.

http://arwen-undomiel.com/sc/ttt/Entmoot/Entmoot020.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/visiondrawn/4360903195/

Lee

[DianeB]

I'd really like to go...to either location.  But I wouldn't be able to commit until I see how my 2014 travel shakes out.

[Marc Irwin]

I think we should have a poll based strictly on location.  A vote is a vote, if somebody votes for both count both, obviously that person feels they can come no matter what and that fact is important also.  When we settle on a location, we can concentrate on dates, rides lodging etc.

Marc

[Avery Wilson]

My wife, a San Marcos rider would be joining me, but only in MSP. We can't do SF. Another lady who's not on the list, but would be present. :)

I agree about doing a run off of locations without splitting the vote between dates.

[Abcyclehank]

Since it is the 20th Anniversary of Rivendell why not celebrate with both locations since separate dates are already being proposed. Although the SF location has a growing lead very few pollsters (only 3 of 60) currently listed a willingness to attend either great state. Conflicts due to proximity or the dates tentatively selected could axe(no pun intended) 20 or more dedicated Rivendell riders and lovers of camping if this is whittled down to a single local.
Therefore, I propose both get a nod to proceed, since the poll shows each with a minimum of 20 committed attenders and counting.

Let the hosts or their designated poster start a new post or poll to select a date if those are not eched in stone yet. Then over the winter plans and updates can come together as fast or slow as each respective subgroup wants to put things out in hopes of increasing the number each Jamboree.

Ryan "hoping to pull a double 2014 Jamboree" Hankinson

[Anne Paulson]

Ryan writes: Although the SF location has a growing lead very few

pollsters (only 3 of 60) currently listed a willingness to attend
either great state.

I say: in my opinion, this is a mistaken interpretation of the
results. I voted for China Camp. That doesn't mean I wouldn't go to
Minneapolis. It means I prefer China Camp.

If we want to have a National Jamboree, we should have a National
Jamboree. It'll require some work and planning. If we instead want to
have a get-together at China Camp and another get-together in
Minneapolis, like the get-togethers we've been having all along,
that's fine, but that's a different thing, a lesser thing.

If it's just a matter of oh, there's an event in China Camp in July,
and an event in Minneapolis in September, fine, but what makes them
different than the get-together that just happened in Southern
California, or the get-together in New Jersey earlier this year, or
the get-togethers in the Pacific Northwest, or all the other
get-togethers we all arrange and post about? Nothing.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Abcyclehank <hanki...@me.com> wrote:
> Since it is the 20th Anniversary of Rivendell why not celebrate with both locations since separate dates are already being proposed. Although the SF location has a growing lead very few pollsters (only 3 of 60) currently listed a willingness to attend either great state.