50mm tires

[Chris Lampe 2]

I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I bought this bike as a test vehicle for 26" wheels, which I've never ridden before, but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination is to go with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 50mm size with the Supreme being of particular interest. 

 

Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly "cushier" than the 50mm Supreme?  Is it the width or is there something different about the design of the Big Apple that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for pavement and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The Supreme wins in the light & slick category but I don't know if it is as comfortable. 

[Eric Platt]

On Big Apple vs. Supreme.  On the old  version of the Big Apple, there was a Liteskin version.  That seems to have been better riding than the Supreme.  My wife has a set on her bike and she has voiced a preference over either the Supreme or the regular Big Apple.

 

As to the Big Apple itself, the current tire is a different design.  Haven't tried it so no opinion.

 

For th lightest 50mm tires, I like the Schwalbe Kojak tires.  No tread at all and fairly lightweight at 460 grams.  No real protection and I've had flats when I've run them.  Then again, I'm probably way too heavy for the optimum use of the tire. Even so, they have a plush ride.  Probably not as nice as tubeless Hetres, but still good. 

Eric Platt

St. Paul, MN

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Chris Lampe 2 <clamp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I bought this bike as a test vehicle for 26" wheels, which I've never ridden before, but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination is to go with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 50mm size with the Supreme being of particular interest. 

 

Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly "cushier" than the 50mm Supreme?  Is it the width or is there something different about the design of the Big Apple that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for pavement and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The Supreme wins in the light & slick category but I don't know if it is as comfortable. 

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[hsmitham]

I'm waiting on delivery of a new to me 56 cm Atlantis and have been wondering what tire to go with? First I'm looking for an all round mixed terrain tire that has plenty of cushion and rolls fairly well. I've liked the idea of running the Big Ben's as Schwalbe states they have a bit more tread then the Big Apples and would be good for mixed terrain surfaces, just don't know about their puncture resistance and wear? Also I'd really like to to run the 2.15" effectively 55 mm's (If I'm not careful I may talk myself into picking up a Bomba or Hung) but if I ran fenders am concerned about clearance. For serious off road I may run the Marathon Plus MTB tires in either 1.75" or the 2.10" obviously with out fenders. What about the Marathon Modials does anyone have experience with these? I know that Patrick will recommend Furious Freds with Stan's and I may very well go that route, but just the same I'd like some other feedback on just a good AR tire & tube combo. And Chris not trying to hijack your post just figured I'd throw in some more questions regarding tire selection rather than clog up the list-serve with another post on roughly the same topic.

And congrats on picking up the Trek 820 I almost went that route but the Atlantis fell into my lap and the Trek 850 hangs from the rafters for now.

~Hugh

[Chris Lampe 2]

Hugh,

 

No problem!  The more information we get the better.

 

Congrats on the 56cm Atlantis.  Of the production bikes out there, that would be my first choice and if I had a chance to ride one and like it a lot I might even choose it over the custom frameset I plan to have built. 

 

The 820 is a tank and the knobby tires drive me nuts but it's still a fun bike to ride!  I've never ridden 26" wheels and trying them out was my primary reason for buying the bike.  I'm now pretty committed to 26" instead of 700c for my custom.  I can't imagine how fun a lighter and more responsive version of this bike (as I assume the Atlantis is and my custom will be) would be.

[Brencho]

I like the look of the Smart Sam's up on riv's website. Seem to roll well since the star that runs down along the tire seems to connect from one to the other for some nice rolling. I'm wondering, does anyone know if an atlantis would fit the 55s without fenders? I'd rather that over the 45s, and am in no position to pick up a hunq!

[Hugh Smitham]

I just read Dave's comments on the Smart Sam's. So if your riding a 58 cm or larger Atlantis then you need to go with the 45's as I read it the 26" Atlantis's can take the 2.1"/55 mm tire of course with out no fenders. 

Still need recommendations on a All rounder slicker tread though.

Best,

~Hugh

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Brencho <bre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I like the look of the Smart Sam's up on riv's website. Seem to roll well since the star that runs down along the tire seems to connect from one to the other for some nice rolling. I'm wondering, does anyone know if an atlantis would fit the 55s without fenders? I'd rather that over the 45s, and am in no position to pick up a hunq!

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[Mike Schiller]

I used the Ritchey Speedmax Beta on my lugged Stumpjumper. Rolls well on pavement and off road.  http://ritcheylogic.com/mountain/tires/speedmax-beta-mountain-tire.html

I had the 40mm version of the Smart Sams on my Hillborne.  Pretty slow on pavement but does well off-road.

I think the Big Ben's are a great all rounder.  Jim Warren has them on his Hunqa and loves them.

~mike

[Deacon Patrick]

I love my Schwalbe Duremes (700 x 50 mm) and how smooth they are on paved/packed road yet handle all the single track I've tossed their way well. If I were doing a trip that involved a lot of mud or sand, I'd likely want a fat bike. But no flats in the 18 months I've used them. They're discontinued, but their replacements seem pretty good as well. I love their handling and especially not having to deal with flats. 

With abandon,

Patrick 

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

I'm going to go with the Big Ben's for AR riding and Smart Sam's or Furious Fred's for single track. Thanks for the input.

-Hugh

[Hugh Smitham]

Patrick,

Don't know but I thought I saw Duremes tandem's on Schwalbe's web site? Don't know if those work for you. And great feedback on your tires.

Are you going to grab those Supreme's on the list. At least that's what I thought they were. I'm mobile at the moment so my accuracy is questionable.

-Hugh

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[Patrick Moore]

Hugh: a word of warning about the Furious Freds. They are wonderful tires, with sealant, and are probably the best "all rounder-type riding" tires, at least for my taste -- wide, soft, light, fast, more dirt than pavement. But they are veruy thin and for rocks and roots I'd suggest something beefier -- in my case, I got a good deal on nice, light Weirwolfs, but I had thought of the RAcing Ralph. In fact, if I were in your shoes, or on your bike, I'd very carefully consider swapping the BBs for singletrack and the FFs for AR riding.

Note that the FFs are certainly sturdier than the Parigi Roubaixs I have on the Ram; don't get me wrong, they are not delicate tires, just not heavy duty ones.

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Hugh,

I've been riding Big Bens on my Hunqapillar (48cm takes 26" wheels) for the past several months, and probably ridden ~1,000 miles. I got them from Riv, mounted to Aeroheat rims, and they measure just over 52mm now. You can find picks on the Flickr group.

I mainly ride them on the pot-holed streets of Cambridge (plenty of glass and other debris), though they've seen some dirt roads/paths and plenty of tree-root bumps.

I've not experienced any flats, and the side walls look good. The tread in the center contact area is showing a little wear, but not excessive. I'm ~155#, and I've jumped curbs and been practicing bunny hops. That said, I've ridden Jack Brown Greens on the same roads and trails, and haven't flatted, so I don't think no flats is necessarily meaningful. Also, we're fortunate not to have goat heads to contend with over here.

I would recommend the Big Bens as a good all-rounder tire. For my commuting needs, I'm interested in the Compass 26" tires. (Big Bens don't feel slow, but I'd like to try a lighter weight tire... love the JB Greens on 700C.)

Congrats on the Atlantis. Looking forward to seeing it set up.

Shoji

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, there are Dureme tandem tires, but they have additional bits to the standard Dureme and I'm not sure I'd like it. So I'm stocking up on another pair offered on this group, which should keep me good for ___ years.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Mike Schiller]

Hugh, I know Patrick loves his FF's but those are seriously lightweight tires made for off road racing on hardpack.  Minimal tread and super thin sidewalls + flats and tears.  The Big Ben's will cover almost all the riding you will do off road I think.   I would get the Supreme's or the new Marathon Deluxe for road touring if it was me.

~mike