ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

[hsmitham]

Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and don't need it PM me.

Cheers,

~Hugh

[Mike Schiller]

what seatpost are you using now Hugh?  The lugged Nitto has a lot of setback.

~mike

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Crystal Fellows.

~Hugh

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[Abcyclehank]

Hugh,
I will check my surplus parts this weekend once school is done tomorrow. I had a spare for a while but may have traded it for a shorter lugged stem.
Hope you, Curtis, Doug, and all the So Cal contingency are doing well. If several of you ever get over here to Michigan for some riding, I will be happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's to ride.

Ryan Hankinson
Spring Lake, MI

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Ryan,

Thanks for looking. Now that sounds like fun a Michigan tour. Humm wheels & cogs churning.

It would be great to ride with you again.

Cheers,

~Hugh

[Aaron Young]

Don't overlook the VO long setback post. Not nearly as fancy as the Riv lugg'd, but much cheaper. Aesthetically it's equal to the non-lugged nitto offerings. At least to my eye. I have one on my Atlantis. Will be buying one for my Sam H soon, too. 

-Aaron Young

The Dalles, OR

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[Hugh Smitham]

Aaron

Thanks for the heads up.

[Hugh Smitham]

Ron,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

~Hugh

On Jun 4, 2015 8:16 PM, "Ron Mc" <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi Hugh, 

the lugged seatpost is S84 - the Japan price at current exchange is about $85 plus $15 for 4-day express mail.  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s84-lugged-seatpost.html

the crystal fellow is S83, and they have that for about $60  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s83.html

Regards

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[Aaron Young]

Wow. For that price I might overlook the VO one myself.  :)  thanks for the link. 

-Aaron Young

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi Hugh, 

the lugged seatpost is S84 - the Japan price at current exchange is about $85 plus $15 for 4-day express mail.  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s84-lugged-seatpost.html

the crystal fellow is S83, and they have that for about $60  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s83.html

Regards

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Aaron,

Exactly!

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[Ron Mc]

oops - I thought I was first posting this as a pm, went straight back and deleted the listserv post and and sent a pm.  Not trying ti cut Rivendell out at all, try and do buy quite a bit of stuff there, but the dollar is so strong against the yen and euro right now, it can be very cost effective to search overseas vendors first.  

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 11:02:28 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

Aaron,

Exactly!

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015, 9:00 PM Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow. For that price I might overlook the VO one myself.  :)  thanks for the link. 

-Aaron Young

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hi Hugh, 

the lugged seatpost is S84 - the Japan price at current exchange is about $85 plus $15 for 4-day express mail.  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s84-lugged-seatpost.html

the crystal fellow is S83, and they have that for about $60  

http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s83.html

Regards

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:22:55 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and don't need it PM me.

Cheers,

~Hugh

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Ron, it's a really good resource, I'm glad you posted it.

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[Hugh Smitham]

Ditto! I knew about it once but forgot! So thanks for the reminder.

Cheers,

~Hugh

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[Mike Schiller]

Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's , adding a 37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It may cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)    Normally people use that seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to fix?   

~mike

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Thanks for asking.

Since I decided to bring my Albatross handlebars up & back the saddle position feels strange. My rear end feels like it wants to slide back and when I do I run out of saddle. I slammed the saddle all the way back when I originally installed the Albatross with a 12cm Tallux stem, when I installed a 9cm ( I had it lying around when I took it off my Hilsen that's another story) I thought maybe I might be able to squeeze the saddle back a tad further. So on a recent ride I did! I finished the ride and my legs felt really good. Back in the shop I looked at the point of contact between seat clamp & rails. What I discovered were the front rails were not seated inside the curvature of the clamp surface. On a Brooks B17 the rails taper underneath the beginning of the saddle nose so I ran out of adjustment. I figured with the offset seatpost at worst if I was wrong regarding the the set back then, I could slide the saddle forward. I didn't consider the amount of setback with the S84 versus the S65, looking at it now I see that's it's a 19mm difference or 3/4/.7 of an inch. That's doesn't seem like that much but perhaps it is. I suppose I could try the S83 but I don't see the offset? Is the offset of the S83 the same as the S65 Crystal Fellows?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,

~Hugh

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[Patrick Moore]

Or, perhaps more precisely, you'd be buying setback that you don't need to use.

But! If you ride a traditional Brooks, and if at the same time you like a somewhat rearward position, a long-setback seatpost won't be at all impractical. I like a rearward saddle, and the old Dura Ace seatposts I use (with quite a bit of setback) just barely accommodate my Flites -- I've used a rubber mallet to get one of these as far back as possible on my 73* seat tubed frames. A B 17 or Pro would be impossible without a seatpost with exceptional setback.

I recall trying to fit a Flyer to an old mountain bike (73*) and having no luck at all until I got a very specialized post with huge amounts of setback.

So, with a Brooks, it's quite possible that a high-setback post will be useful even on a 72* seat-tubed frame.

And they look nice!

[cyclotourist]

How about: Those seatposts just look awesome!

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Lol's.  Yes they do :) Mr. Help me spend my money.

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[Mike Schiller]

Hugh,  The Nitto S-83 are listed as 26 mm of setback.  I had one on my Coho (72 STA) but was always sitting on the rivets so I switched it for a Dia Compe Gran Compe with 30 mm of setback.

I've spent many hours looking for setback posts as I have long femurs and can never get back far enough.  I've worked with a bike fit expert as I tend to have issues with my right hip.  His advice was to get the furthest setback and longest rail saddle possible to get my hip angle optimized.  So all my bikes are 72 STA with 30 mm setback posts and the seats as far back as possible.

The issue with moving too far back is that your knee will be behind the pedal spindle and you may end of with an overuse injury somewhere in your legs.  Or you might end up sliding the saddle way forward and wasting you money.  In bike fitting your saddle position relative to the pedal spindle has little to with your stem/bar position.  So you should go with a shorter stem if your bar/stem has pushed you back.  

You may have  flexible tendons and not have any issues.  The fool-proof option is to go to a bike-fitting specialist which are expensive ( bike shop fitters are barely adequate  IME).  

David ... they are beautiful in an ugly frog sort of way

Patrick... the older Dura Ace post are nice but only about 20 mm of setback, but the Flite saddles  have long rails so it's a good combo. ( I've used both)

~mike

[Hugh Smitham]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Mike Schiller <mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

Hugh,  The Nitto S-83 are listed as 26 mm of setback.  I had one on my Coho (72 STA) but was always sitting on the rivets so I switched it for a Dia Compe Gran Compe with 30 mm of setback.

I've spent many hours looking for setback posts as I have long femurs and can never get back far enough.  I've worked with a bike fit expert as I tend to have issues with my right hip.  His advice was to get the furthest setback and longest rail saddle possible to get my hip angle optimized.  So all my bikes are 72 STA with 30 mm setback posts and the seats as far back as possible.

On the ibob group there was a thread about setback. I followed it and the link to Peter White's page on fit. Some or most of it felt intuitive to me. The notion that a racerly position would have the rider forward and the hips and back sliding forward and in a touring setup where comfort is more the aim rather than power (here's where I depart from Peter White in regards to power, its wind resistance) the bars are raised and brought back thus the saddle needs to be brought back. Makes sense to me. I think this can be confusing. I get where a Dutch bike that's super slack would have a noticeable power loss but that's at the extreme! In my case with the 9cm stem I feel cramped. I found myself purposely sliding back on the saddle. One reason I like the Albatross bars are that they afford me numerous hand and back positions. In the hooks I'm in a more aero position but not so aggressive to fatigue my back and at the opposite in the grips I'm upright with little to no stress on my neck and back.

I have a 10cm stem on the way and that might be the sweet spot I'm looking for? Peter White and probably lot's of others subscribe to setting the saddle first then the stem. It seems I'm going about it backwards. Most likely I'll have a seatpost and stem or two to sell. 

The issue with moving too far back is that your knee will be behind the pedal spindle and you may end of with an overuse injury somewhere in your legs.  Or you might end up sliding the saddle way forward and wasting you money.  In bike fitting your saddle position relative to the pedal spindle has little to with your stem/bar position.  So you should go with a shorter stem if your bar/stem has pushed you back.  

 

 Can one have knee flexor issues with the knee forward of the pedal axle? Perhaps I've been slightly fore of the axle.

 

You may have  flexible tendons and not have any issues.  The fool-proof option is to go to a bike-fitting specialist which are expensive ( bike shop fitters are barely adequate  IME).  

Not immune to tendon issues. Been to a bike fit, didn't seem fool-proof then or now. 

David ... they are beautiful in an ugly frog sort of way

Ha I love frogs! Amphibians rock!  

Patrick... the older Dura Ace post are nice but only about 20 mm of setback, but the Flite saddles  have long rails so it's a good combo. ( I've used both)

~mike

[Mike Schiller]

well sounds like you should try the longer stem 1st and see how that feels.   I've looked at Peter Whites comments and most fall inline with what I've learned in my 40 years of riding and bike fitting.  I do think that using the the 37 mm setback post with a 72d STA is  way off the bell curve for saddle position.

One other comment, there are very few professional bike fitters in So Cal. The guys in bike shops can, sometimes, get most people in the ballpark.  If that works fine, but there are a few guys who have medical backgrounds and work with professional cyclists who can deal with recurring injury's or challenging fit issues.  I know of one if you need that both Jim W and I have used.

~mike

[dougP]

Ryan:

"... I will be happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's ..."

You realize there are a lot of us, especially with an offer like that.  Hope we can take you up on that offer sometime.  Various articles and ride reports show Michigan to attractive for cycling. 

dougP

[Hugh Smitham]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Mike Schiller <mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

well sounds like you should try the longer stem 1st and see how that feels.   I've looked at Peter Whites comments and most fall inline with what I've learned in my 40 years of riding and bike fitting.  I do think that using the the 37 mm setback post with a 72d STA is  way off the bell curve for saddle position.

You have me thinking. The S83 would only give an additional 8mm of setback. As I said and you acknowledged I'll wait and give the 10cm stem a try and go from there. 

One other comment, there are very few professional bike fitters in So Cal. The guys in bike shops can, sometimes, get most people in the ballpark.  If that works fine, but there are a few guys who have medical backgrounds and work with professional cyclists who can deal with recurring injury's or challenging fit issues.  I know of one if you need that both Jim W and I have used.

If I exhaust these attempts I may very well give your guy a try. 

~mike

Thanks,

[Hugh Smitham]

I want to tour in the upper midwest. Seeing Pondero Aka Chris Johnson & Shawn Granton' images from this years Lake Pepin Three Speed tour has me dreaming. Though I have a Seattle to SLO tour in the works for '16 so maybe '17? I might be persuaded to flip that on it's head though. 

~Hugh

Ryan Hankinson
Spring Lake, MI

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[dougP]

Both Minnesota and Wisconsin have wonderful cycling opportunities and strong bike advocacy groups.  The Wisconsin Bike Federation has a set of maps for entire state that are the best I've ever used for navigating by bike.  They teamed up with other outdoor users to push for conversion of old narrow gauge railroads to trail use, bikers & hikers in summer, and snowmobiles & skiers in winter.  They've even got clever little trail signs showing distance off the trail to various services:

dougP

[Abcyclehank]

Hugh,
I found that seat post. I will be happy to send it to you to try but don't want to part with it permanently. Contact me off list if you want it sent out Wednesday with the bike I sold this weekend.

[Hugh Smitham]

Update:

I received and promptly installed the new 10cm Tallux stem. It was the sweet spot I was after. I've decided to forego the beautiful lugged post in favor of eventually going with the S83.

Thanks Mike for holding my hand through this I really appreciate your knowledge. And thanks to Ryan, Aaron & Patrick too. This is a great group.

Tail Winds,
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~Hugh

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On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Abcyclehank <hanki...@me.com> wrote:

Hugh,
I found that seat post.  I will be happy to send it to you to try but don't want to part with it permanently.  Contact me off list if you want it sent out Wednesday with the bike I sold this weekend.

[Aaron Young]

Now I want a 10 cm Tallux.... :(

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[Hugh Smitham]

Can't have mine :( Gotta 9 & 12 though.