Wow, I mean, just wow

[Chris Chen]

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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[Bill Lindsay]

Those $100 water bottle could not comprise an exhibit at a cycling museum, by any stretch.  That Stumpjumper could comprise an exhibit at a cycling museum.  I'm not in the market for museum exhibits, but still.

[Chris Chen]

True enough. It's a pretty bike.

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I'm not seeing the lugs...?

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On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:49:35 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

[Addison Wilhite]

As a showpiece it's worth the money they're asking.  As in, hang it on the wall as a conversation piece while your'e drinking a beer and reminiscing about the early days of mtn biking.

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[Eric Platt]

Not lugged. Possibly brazed. And ovalized seat tube. Very much like the Ritchey bikes. I won't comment on price. To the right person it might be fair. The seller does have "or best offer" .

Always loved the lines of the early mountain bikes. Not in the market for one. Most of those early bikes that ended up in Minnesota have died of rust.

Eric Platt

[Chris Chen]

It's gorgeous, I admit; I see the same thinking in the vintage BMW market; Valuations go out the window. Granted, $2200 for a totally capable pretty bike isn't bad...

[Tonester]

I'll sell ya a '84 for half that!!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

+1.  Or make a best offer!

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[Chris Lampe 2]

Price seems reasonable to me as long as everything listed is true.  If I was an early MTB collector and had just a bit more disposable income, I wouldn't bat an eye at paying that price for that bike.  

[Montclair BobbyB]

Actually these initial batches were TIG-welded (apparently to fulfill production obligations while the Tim Neenan-designed frame lugs were being cast). Note the plain Stumpjumper lettering on this frame. I always regarded the lugged Stumpies as a big improvement over these early TIG models, but agree this so collectible the price isn't too far out of line; this will surely hold it's value (because it's so rare).
BB

[Mike Schiller]

not so much of a wow these days, as they show up from time to time and the geometry kinda stinks ( relative to what you can get today)... but in 1982 for those of us old enough to ride this size bike... that was way more than wow... it was like a whole new world opening up. 

~mike

Carlsbad Ca.

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As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.

It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft. Collins.

I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki

Ft. Collins, CO

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From: "Chris Chen" <cc...@nougat.org>
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
Subject: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

[Montclair BobbyB]

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured literally 6 months after this TIG model.  But IT sold for (only) $430, which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further... there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (serious but funny) reads "with Rivendell Style Fork").  I thought WOW,... Now if I could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)

[Chris Chen]

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

[David Hays]

Does begin to make me wonder….

A friend offered me this a few years ago as he and his wife had new hybrid bikes.

I was beginning to have few many bikes and said I’d see if I found anyone interested.

He said it was a 1984:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/

Not wanting to steal it but what’s it worth?

Thanks.

David Hays

Kenmore, New York

[Bill Lindsay]

That's an INCREDIBLE collector.  I'm not a collector, and it's too small to be a rider, but dang, that's incredible.  Too many impressive details to list.  That one maybe should be on display, at least at one of these Specialized concept shops. 

[Chris Chen]

Why haven't you stolen it yet? :)

[Chris Chen]

But wouldn't it be even cooler if it was ridden? :)

[Chris Lampe 2]

That is going to build up to be a damn fine bicycle.   

[Dave Johnston]

I've ridden a couple MTN bikes from that era both Specialized, one was a Stumpjumper sport and I thought the handling was just terrible. Not a joy to ride. Way high BB and super slack angles just wasn't for me.

Does anybody actually like the way these bikes ride? If so I might be able to arrange for you to get that lugged stumpy sport or send you a lead on a great deal on the 25th Anniversary Stumpjumper.

Dave J

[Chris Chen]

Are you talking about the original stumpjumpers? I agree the headtube angle is frightening.

I have a '94 RockHopper as my California bike (say it like AHHHNOLD) and it's serviceable, but I'm hoping I can make this little piece of lipstick fly.

cc

[Montclair BobbyB]

That looks like a Tange Prestige sticker in one of the photos...that and the unicrown fork suggests it's perhaps a 1986? Really nice, if still available pay him whatever he asks and throw in unlimited beer for an entire year.

[Dave Johnston]

Chris, Not sure the year but here is a pic of a Stumpjumper Sport I helped restore to working order for a friend. Hated the ride. But I like the ride of my 1989 Koga Miyata Valley Runner. (also pictured)

[Dave Johnston]

I looked up the Geo of the '89 Koga and the head angle is supposed to be 72°. Rake is 46mm. Any idea what the head angle of the early Stumpjumpers was?

[Eric Platt]

Early Stumpjumpers were 68 degrees. The first version of the Stumpjumper Sport was 67 degrees. The chainstays were 18.5 and 19 inches, respectively.

Eric Platt

On January 8, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Dave Johnston <jdi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I looked up the Geo of the '89 Koga and the head angle is supposed to be 72°. Rake is 46mm. Any idea what the head angle of the early Stumpjumpers was?

[Patrick Moore]

In my experience, the later ones -- early '90s, when they were still steel -- are among the best mountain bikes ever; far better IMO than the very early ones, which for all their looks handled (to my taste) like pigs. My '90 Stumpjumper Comp and '91 SJ Team were truly neutral in handling -- off road, they went where you pointed and were neither twitchy nor sluggish. My DB Axis Team from the same period handled if possible even nicer. That era certainly hit a sweet spot.

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[Montclair BobbyB]

I agree the early Stumpies made awful mountain bikes (at least by today's standards)... But considering Specialized was trying to dial in the "right" trail geometry without having any market feedback, they started getting it right within a few short years (the 85 geometry was already a big improvement). And the silver lining: the early Stumpies made better all-rounders, and what they may have lacked in pure technical (trail) agility they more than make up in pure style.
An old Stumpy with a set of Big Apples and a Brooks saddle is 100% badass.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Case in point: http://tinyurl.com/7yuh9u2

[Mike Schiller]

I had an '87 Stumpy Comp, last year of lugged frames, Toyo built. It was also the 1st year of Norba geomtry ( 71/73). Mine had a custom biplane fork.  Nice bike but IMO  26" wheels  are terrible for serious off road compared to 29ers.   

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/7089294979/in/set-72157629565315711

~mike

Carlsbad Ca

 

[James Warren]

I remember those days. In '91, I test-rode Stumpjumpers and Rockhoppers. Geometry not as good as the Bridgestones for me. I loved that long Bridgestone TT. (I ended up buying the '91 MB-4, my first big bike purchase. That bike's still going strong today.) The Diamond Backs of those days felt great too, similar to the Bridgestones for me.

 

Slowly steering this back on-topic, there sure was a lot of fun development of mountain bike geometry between the original Stumpjumpers and the early 90's. It makes those original Stumpjumpers curious specimens. So desirable in some ways, but maybe too archaic to be fun for a lot of people to ride now?

 

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From: Patrick Moore
Sent: Jan 8, 2015 6:42 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

In my experience, the later ones -- early '90s, when they were still steel
-- are among the best mountain bikes ever; far better IMO than the very
early ones, which for all their looks handled (to my taste) like pigs. My
'90 Stumpjumper Comp and '91 SJ Team were truly neutral in handling -- off
road, they went where you pointed and were neither twitchy nor sluggish. My
DB Axis Team from the same period handled if possible even nicer. That era
certainly hit a sweet spot.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

> A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
> sibling:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB <
> montcla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
>> the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured

>> literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,

>> which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.
>>
>> As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
>> there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a

>> bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
>> funny*) reads "with Rivendell Style Fork"). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
>> could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

>>
>> Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:
>>>
>>> As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
>>> It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
>>> Collins.
>>> I have stood and stared at it.
>>>
>>> Dave Nawrocki
>>> Ft. Collins, CO
>>>

>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Chris Chen"
>>> *To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
>>> *Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a

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individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

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*The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante

[James Warren]

Mike, I like that model a lot. Thanks for sharing!

[Joe Bernard]

I have a soft spot for those early-90's Stumpjumpers. Around 93/94 there was a green one with silver decals, grey saddle and tires, and clear grips. Really pretty, and quite subdued-looking for that era. I should start looking around...

[ascpgh]

I had a '89 Stumpjumper and broke the right chain stay, spirally from the bridge weld before a year was up, and received a '90 frame on warranty from Morgan Hill. That one was sweet, Tange tubing, their "Direct Drive" architecture, shorter stays, more departure from CA Klunker geometry. Still a bit unwieldily on the trails of my region (Ozark Mounttains), my '91 Bridgestone was so much better handling in that environment.

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[Chris Lampe 2]

My reply was meant to be directly to Christopher's post of that pink-ish 1990's Stumpjumper frameset.  I guess I hit the wrong button.  I have an early 90's too-small Rockhopper that is the best riding bike I've ridden so far.  That pink-ish Stumpjumper probably has the same geometry but with better tubing and it's the right size for me.   Would love to find one of those for a reasonable price.  

Having said that, I do like the handling of the earlier 80's MTB's, within a specific context.  As an all-rounder bike for mostly pavement riding, they are fantastic.  I have very limited experience riding off-road but everything mentioned here about those old things being horrible trail bikes, I agree with.   

[Montclair BobbyB]

They call him Andy "StumpPuller" Cheatham... Beast of the Alleghenies... haven't heard of too many people busting a Stumpy chainstay. 

Consider yourself fortunate, I have several friends who more recently had less fortunate dealings with Specialized to warrant busted frames.

I did want to make an observation about the 25th Anniversary Edition of the Stumpy... Great concept (good for Specialized!).  While the frames looked simply awesome and the attention to detail was mostly there, I was deeply disappointed with the components selection (i.e. newer style cranks, derailleurs, etc.)... those you can get anywhere.  I would have probably plopped down the $$ for one if Specialized had created a true (and complete) replica (and I believe it would have been a bigger hit had they somehow managed to find period-specific componentry for it... which I realize may have been a tall order).  But something was clearly lost in the modernization of this, sorry to say...

[Tim Gavin]

I have a similar-era MTB, an '88 Schwinn KOM.  It's lugged Tange Prestige racer, and has the improved (from the Klunkers) NORBA geometry(71° head / 74° seat).  So it's a better all-rounder then the earlier klunker-inspired frames, but still not great for technical trails.

With the original flat bars, I felt like I rode on top of the bike, with a upright, cruiser-esque ride.  Since I swapped the cockpit to drop bars (Nitto B135/Dirt Drop 8/TRP levers/bar-ends), my weight is lower and more forward, and now the bike is a total dream to ride.  The semi-slick 26x2.1" tires are great for potholed streets, gravel, packed dirt, and yet are still fast.  Riding a stout MTB frame gives me more confidence jumping curbs and hopping over potholes that I may steer around on my Riv or gofast.  Now my KOM is a "monstercross 26er", and it regularly steals riding time from my Riv.

Even with a great bike, it may take some experimentation before it's great for you.  

Some of these vintage designs can make great townie bikes, upright cruisers, or even drop bar all-rounders.  The second generation (late 80s) and third generation (early 90s) rigid MTBs seem to make the best candidates, where the 1st gen bikes (like the 82 Stumpy that started this discussion) seem best relegated to cruiser duty (or a museum).

I'm refinishing the frame now (and brazing on some rack and fender eyelets), so the vintage "captain america" paint job is finally gone.  A bald eagle shed a tear when that paint was removed, but I think the bike will look awesome with a clear coat over a bead blast finish, showing off the lugs and brazing.

[Chris Chen]

I love the KOM! I'm going to be putting a dirt drop stem on the StumpJumper Comp (I think I'll name him Chompy) with some 46 noodles I also have a set of Moustache bars which may also give me that "in the drops" feel. I think it'll be crazy little shredder. The frame was for sale at a local store for $75.

I'm remembering one of the older Riv Readers where the writer bought a $100 Team America schwinn MTB and rode it across the country. Just love those stories; kind of brings it back home.

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[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey All,

I bought an 84 Stumpy Sport new back then. I rode it for over twenty years before I killed it. I then bought a rough 84 Stumpy Sport off the local CL for $50 and ride it daily. I won't argue about the ride except to say that I have always really liked it. I can say for certain that they are extraordinarily durable, ride easy, and have an odd ability to ride nicely both laden and unladen. No other bike has done that last one for me. This is why I am so interested in some of the more recent RBW framesets. I also have an early 90's steel Rockhopper hard tail that I like for different reasons. They are very different bikes.

Chris

Redding, Ca.

[David Hays]

Hi Chris,

Can you tell if my friend’s Stumpjumper is a Sport?

Just wondered is I picked it up I could set up like some on road/off road Atlantics I see?

Thanks

David

Kenmore, New York

 

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey David,

If you are takling to me then I'm sure I can tell if your bike is a sport. They were unique and are easy to identify. Send me pics. Otherwise, please ignore everything I just said.

Chris

Redding, Ca.

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey All, 

Oooops, i now see the pics. The angles look right, along with the long stays. Some of the parts are right, but some aren't quite the same as came on my 84s. And I don't remember the sport coming in that blue. I think the build kit says yours is an 86 Stumpjumper (non-sport). So yours would be a step up from a sport. That's a very nice bike. 

Chris 

[Philip Williamson]

Here's an '82 Stumpjumper in Santa Rosa for $350. Large, ridden (they say) "maybe one mile."
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/4844688821.html

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 10:49:35 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
> Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like those $100 water bottles:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item463135659d
>
>
>
> I don't know whether to laugh or cry
>

[Montclair BobbyB]

Somebody better jump all over that one... that's a deal.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

“Somebody” should = Bobby B

 

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[Montclair BobbyB]

Hah! It's bad enough I just pulled the trigger on a '83 (first year) Bianchi Grizzly that was begging for a good home... Fortunately Santa Rosa is 3000 miles away... I think I'm reasonably safe, unless my friend who works in Santa Rosa grabs it and insists on shipping it eastward. Hey, a Stumpy and a growler of Pliny the Younger would make a nice gift... Just saying.

[Chris Chen]

Pliny The Younger was a historical figure don't let this beer become one!

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Montclair BobbyB <montcla...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hah!  It's bad enough I just pulled the trigger on a '83 (first year) Bianchi Grizzly that was begging for a good home... Fortunately Santa Rosa is 3000 miles away... I think I'm reasonably safe, unless my friend who works in Santa Rosa grabs it and insists on shipping it eastward.  Hey, a Stumpy and a growler of Pliny the Younger would make a nice gift... Just saying.

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[Philip Williamson]

I'd handle shipping chores for you, but they don't allow growlers for Pliny the Younger.

 

Philip

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[Montclair BobbyB]

Yes, so I've heard... Truth is I've given up alcohol for 2015, so I'd have to watch someone else drink it (which would be tragic)... oh well.

And there's something to be said about preserving a classic bike in its native setting... I own a mint condition '85 Stumpy Sport that I picked up last year in Burlington VT... It was purchased in VT, and has never set foot outside of the state.  I fear if I ever attempt to transport it back to NJ, it will somehow lose its youthfulness, and magically age and rust as I cross the border, kinda like Maria leaving Shangri-La... No, that Stumpy stays in VT, and this Stumpy belongs in Santa Rosa... what a great round-town bike it will make for someone... 'sniff'....   

BB

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http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/4843004155.html

Yum.

[reynoldslugs]

Plinies are integral to all cycling related activity in this neck of the woods:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13977973948/

Max Beach
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