Re: [RShake Forum] Read data directly from raspberry shake

[Branden Christensen]

Hi Sorin!

Great to hear from you again. 

My recommendation is to read the data from SeedLink on port 18000 using routines provided by the ObSpy toolkit: https://github.com/obspy/obspy/wiki

Yours,

Branden Christensen

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I'm struggling to write a python script to read the raw data from the geophone. Is it possible to read the geophone data  directly with Python? If yes, what are the GPIO pins where I should read the raw values.

Thank you,

Sorin

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[Branden Christensen]

Hi Sorin!

Good day. 

We designed Raspberry Shake to operate in harmony with a Raspberry Pi and finely tuned software suite thus creating a plug-and-go seismograph solution. We never intended for the Raspberry Shake to be used as a standalone digitizer. Your use case sounds like it is outside the scope of the original design.

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

in fact, I only bought Raspberry Shake for the hardware. I don't need any software it comes with, nor SWARM, seedlink stream and anything included in Raspbian from OSOP. I just want to use it as a regular ADC with a geophone and a fancy case. Please, if you can help with this informatio (where do I get the raw geophone data from the GPIO) I will write my own Python script.

BTW this should be explained in the docs.

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[Branden Christensen]

Sorin:

Good evening. 

Sorry for the delayed reply, I took off from the office for a spell to go for a run up the volcano. 

The Raspberry Shake team set out on a mission to create a personal seismograph that would open the door to seismology for hobbyists. And I think we have fulfilled that mission and more. We have been super excited to see how many people have gotten really enthused about seismology on this list and we continue laboring every day to improve their experience. 

We did not set out to design a generalized solution as the one you need. We kept everything as simple as possible. For example, the circuit will only accept signals from 380-400 Ohm 4.5 Hz geophones. This was done because we needed to keep the price down in order to develop a seismograph for personal use that was under 500 USD. 

It sounds to me like you thought you were buying one product and got another. I would like to offer you a complete refund. If you gift your Raspberry Shake to a hobbyist in Romania, I will send you a check for the price of the unit plus shipping. If you wish to ship it back to us, I will pay for the unit price plus the round trip shipping.

Please let me know how you would like to proceed. 

Kind Regards from Panama, 

Branden Christensen

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

BTW, The python script will run from Raspberry PI, so I follow your scope (using Raspberry Shake in harmony with Raspberry Pi) excepting using your limited software.

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 11:35:56 PM UTC+2, Botirla Sorin wrote:

but you built your hardware, I mean, the Raspberry Shake board so you know how it works. Why I shouldn't even know where to get the raw values from it as long as I bought it?  I'm here to ask your help, no matter what the end purpose is, as long as I'm not breaking any license issues (as I'm not gonna use your software and I want to build my own).

I am not asking here for the schematic data, I understood that this is closed source and you don't want it on Alibaba.com. I am just asking how to read the raw data, at the most basic level. I told you that I will write my own code so no need to buy support hours here.

If you don't at least support Indie developers, mention that your only desire is to create a seismic network and we, the developers should not touch your hardware in other ways than using your software it comes with.

This is like buying a cage to live in while you own the keys. Seriously, can you help or just continue to say that you don't even care and I only should stare at it while connected to EQ/Station view or seedlink readers (SeisGram2k, Obspy, Seiscomp3 and so on).

I know this is possible, and GeoFlow is open source. It's a shame that we live in 2017 and the seedlink was invented in 90'. It's like using the old TV's instead of the modern LED's because the original TV inventor said so.

If you don't want this project come to life and help the seismologists community, at least show the info because I bought your hardware.

Thank you,

Sorin

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 11:18:08 PM UTC+2, Branden Christensen wrote:

Hi Sorin!

Good day. 

We designed Raspberry Shake to operate in harmony with a Raspberry Pi and finely tuned software suite thus creating a plug-and-go seismograph solution. We never intended for the Raspberry Shake to be used as a standalone digitizer. Your use case sounds like it is outside the scope of the original design.

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Branden Christensen

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

in fact, I only bought Raspberry Shake for the hardware. I don't need any software it comes with, nor SWARM, seedlink stream and anything included in Raspbian from OSOP. I just want to use it as a regular ADC with a geophone and a fancy case. Please, if you can help with this informatio (where do I get the raw geophone data from the GPIO) I will write my own Python script.

BTW this should be explained in the docs.

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[Branden Christensen]

Sorin:

I do not see the parallel. 

The protocol used for transmission of the data from the Shake to the RPi and the format is proprietary. 

The offer stands. 

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir, 

I only need to know how I could get the raw data. That's all. Nothng more. The hardware is excellent, nothing to complain against it. You did a great job.

But I'm not satisfied with this kind of support from you. You are telling me that if I don't use the software, but only the hardware, I should return the unit because it's not in the scope it was designed.

This is like I'm buying a car to carry the same passenger every day. If I'm planning to carry my kids with that car, then I should return the car to the product owner because it was not designed

to include a child seat.

So, please be kind and tell me how to read the RX/TX GPIO pins (TX / RPi Pin 8 

RX / RPi Pin 10)

Thank you,

Sorin

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[d3noob]

Hi Sorin,

Since the debate is public, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the statement that you have made about the support for the Raspberry Shake. The OSOP team have been nothing but outstanding in their (continuing) support of individual users and the community of people who have taken an opportunity to use this device. 

Having taken the time to read every post in this group, I am astounded by the patience, thought and professionalism that the team have brought to engaging with a very diverse group of users. This is (in my humble opinion) an example of the very BEST support I have ever seen.

Separately, I completely understand what you would like to do with the device, but I also understand the position of a company that wants to be able to protect their intellectual property that they have worked hard to develop. I suspect that you will be in the situation where you will need to put in a similar degree of effort if you wish to work on a different solution. This will be frustrating for you, but it is a commercial reality that is common.

Regards

d3noob 

[Angel Rodriguez]

Dear Sorin.

I don't read my email for one day and look what happens :)  What an interesting thread, maybe we should move from the internet to the gym and sell tickets.

There is a good block diagram of RShake on the website and there is also a diagram of the pin connection from the RShake board to the RPi.  No data goes from the ADC to the RPi over a GPIO.

The analog data from the geophone, gets amplified and goes to the ADC.  The ADC is read by the STM32 that make little packets that are sent to the RPI over the rs232 serial port.  The packets are sent in plain acsii, no tricky encryption.  You can look at the uart with many many linux tools.  If you wrote GeoFlow (and I must say it look quite good)  you will have no trouble parsing the packets.  They do come in packets, not one sample at a time.  If you need some help parsing the packets let me know.  

If you need to get things a little closer to the source then you will need to check out the ADC which is a MAX11200 and cut the STM32 out out the picture and with little jumpers go from the MAX11200 directly to the SPI / GPIO pins on the RPi.  It can be done be done, it would not be pretty but then you could control the MAX11200 anyway you want.  Before you go through all that trouble there are some nice digitizer hats for the RPi or you can bread board the geophone to a MAX11200.  I did both of the things I just suggested on the path to the RShake.

BTW  I am not too worried about seeing RShake on Alibaba,  I doubt that some copycats looking a for a quick profit will be willing to put in the thousands of software / calibration / testing hours they will need to fill in the block diagram and make a seismograph that will go from a geophone to automatic locations showing up on your smartphone,  They would also have to learn a little seismology.  That said we will not just hand it to the copycats silver on a platter.  

Over a dozen very talented people at OSOP and GEMPA have made RShake possible and I would like to thank them all.

Since you have read this far I will take advantage and talk a little about seedlink.  If you look at almost any other scientific instrumentation discipline, Hydrology for example, every single manufacturer has their own data format and protocol, it is simply a mess, no easy interchange of data.  Nobody really likes seedlink but everybody uses it.  So scientist don't have to care about the instruments in the field. The data gets corrected for ground motion and presto a $300 RShake looks just like a $50,000 STS2/Q330 combination if we bandpass it from 0.2 to 25 Hz.  Every single hardware manufacturer provides seedlink and a transfer function.  A high level commission is presently addressing the limitation of seedlink and within a dozen years there will be a new Standard for the Exchange of Earthquake Data (SEED).   Seedlink has been a blessing to the seismic community.  

Saludos,

Angel

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

You completely did not understand what I'm trying to do. 

I just want to read the raw data from the geophone, trough the Raspberry Shake ADC without using the seedlink and the software used to convert the data to miniSEED continuous stream.

I want to create my own sofware which runs the stream like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snaz8t2e1Wc

What intellectual property must be protected here? Is this a "DO NOT READ THE GPIO PINS DIRECTLY" statement?

I tried to read them but the data is scrambled and needs decription. Seriously guys? You convert the Geophone analog output to some encrypted (according to /usr/local/bin/miniterm.py)  digital signal that can only be read by your software?

Now this is a big disappointment. This means your only intention was to sell cheap seismometers to the world in order to let people host your seismic network stations in their homes. What a great plan. It's not fair that we can only share the data with you or be forced to use the SeedLink "World's standard". That's why you don't want people to change everything in the configuration, right? You don't even care about developers then and only follow maximum profit.

This IS the worst support I've ever seen, no matter how much golden arguments you try to cover this topic with.

Why? the problem was simple: How to read the GPIO pins for the RS. Answer: You don't. You must use the seedlink. How about no?

Let me give you a good example of support:

I bought also a seismometer from INFILTEC. That guy helped me a lot with the configuration and I'm able to read the serial port values and use them in whatever project I want.

You don't support me. You force me to follow your standards and not willing to help me anyway.

Conclusion: I will never buy anything from OSOP again.

Sorin

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[Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein]

Then maybe you should consider deleting your recent message in the Google+ group. I mean you are essentially asking OSOP for a favor (they don't have to explain proprietary intermediate interfaces), and man that is just not a good way to ask for a favor. Just my 2 EUR-cents.

Am Sonntag, 12. März 2017 14:56:46 UTC+1 schrieb Botirla Sorin:

Angel,

so far this is how support should look. Everyone from your support team should take you as an example. I am impressed and you made this topic going back to the rails.

I apologize for being a bit nervous and losing patience but yes, I would be grateful if you could help me parse the packets.

Thank you,
Sorin

[Angel Rodriguez]

Dear Botiria,

It has been quite a day here at OSOP.  This thread and your request have made quite a stir.  We have an official position on what is open and what is not.  One of the strengths of OSOP is that we are all strong willed, hard working, independent individuals that can come to a common understanding and agreement.  We have drafted what is, for now, our official position in regards to what is and what is not open in the RShake project. 

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The data format specification coming from the RShake and being provided to the closed software portion of the system is also closed.  Raspberry Shake is not sold as a developer's platform inside the closed portions of the system, neither the hardware nor the software.  

Everyone, is completely free to develop *on top of* the closed portion of the system, in fact, OSOP encourages this.  

By defining parts of the system as closed OSOP made a business decision defining intellectual property as something valuable to be protected.  

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As stated above, you have full access to the portions of the system that are open, including retrieving data in bulk or in real-time from SeedLink, feel free to develop all you like on top of this.

The block diagram and header pinout have been documented on the web and in this group, you may use that information to your best advantage. Finally also must also retract my offer to assist you in parsing the data stream between the Shake and the Pi. 

Our support for all users with their RShakes is strong and will continue to be so.  

Angel

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On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Botirla Sorin <sorin....@gmail.com> wrote:

Excepting for Angel, the rest of the support was missing at all. I got a ton of emails from OSOP customers who are seeing this thread and they all gave me support for this issue. They also are blaming you, Branden for this mess. Keep in mind that I didn't asked for any schematic, but the way to get the raw data.

Angel, you're the man. You showed him how to handle this and you are a kind person.

I will delete the messages from social media platforms only because of you.

Have a good day
Sorin

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Excepting for Angel, the rest of the support was missing at all. I got a ton of emails from OSOP customers who are seeing this thread and they all gave me support for this issue. They also are blaming you, Branden for this mess. Keep in mind that I didn't asked for any schematic, but the way to get the raw data.

Angel, you're the man. You showed him how to handle this and you are a kind person.

I will delete the messages from social media platforms only because of you.

Have a good day
Sorin

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Excepting for Angel, the rest of the support was missing at all. I got a ton of emails from OSOP customers who are seeing this thread and they all gave me support for this issue. They also are blaming you, Branden for this mess. Keep in mind that I didn't asked for any schematic, but the way to get the raw data.

Angel, you're the man. You showed him how to handle this and you are a kind person.

I will delete the messages from social media platforms only because of you.

Have a good day
Sorin

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[dave d]

Growing Pains !  

 Fun to watch the startup of a business that is going to be very successful..

[KLee]

Botiria, sorry to hear that raspberry pi shake ended up being money wasted for you. I will be happy to buy your raspberry pi shake at cost. I am an early kickstart sponsor with six raspberry pi shakes, and wouldn't mind having a couple more. Send me a PM if you are interested. Kuantsai

[krazy4it]

Hi Angel and all at OSOP. After reading these posts i thought i'd better ask, can i load other software onto my shake.
Namely https://www.pulseway.com/

[Branden Christensen]

Absolutely. You can load any software you would like onto your Raspberry Pi's OS. There is plenty of space and resources for it too. Our software only uses a small fraction of the CPU. 

Yours, 

Branden Christensen

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On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, krazy4it <kraz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Angel and all at OSOP. After reading these posts i thought i'd better ask, can i load other software onto my shake.
Namely https://www.pulseway.com/

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[krazy4it]

Thanks for reply Botirla and Branden.

[David J Taylor]

Hi Angel and all at OSOP. After reading these posts i thought i'd better
ask, can i load other software onto my shake.
Namely https://www.pulseway.com/

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I have other software on my RPi like NTP (own configuration), SAMBA, and the
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[Angel Rodriguez]

Hi David,

Your RSahke is yours.  You can load any software you want on it, the worse that can happen is that you have to burn a new image.  I would be happy to have you load anything you want on it and experiment.  And please share your results with us be they good or bad.

On the OSOP page I have several articles called "What's Inside"  where I looking into other makers seismometers in what is often a one-way trip.  I own very few thing that I have not taken apart. I buy things to take apart.  I own few things that I have not modified, twisted, changed. painted.  My favorite tool is my hacksaw.

So yes, please play with your RShake, modify, invent, have fun!

Angel

P.S. MRTG is running on my computer monitoring the timing quality since you sent it to me, thanks.

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Hi Angel, 

    You might find it more profitable to swap your hacksaw for a pen ? ! 

    Regards,

    Chris

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[Juan Antonio]

Hello 

I´m trying to install MRTG on my windows computer (Windows 7) to monitor traffic, but I have some problems ("No response received") 

I think it could be that the read-only SNMP community string I tried (Public) is wrong. Do you know if is there another string to test it?

I used "perl cfgmaker pub...@192.168.1.39 --global "WorkDir: c:\www\mrtg" --output mrtg.cfg" as command

Thanks

Regards

Juan Antonio      

Finally you need to know the read-only SNMP community string for your device. If you don't know it, try public, that is the default.

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    Chris

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[David J Taylor]

Hello

I´m trying to install MRTG on my windows computer (Windows 7) to monitor
traffic, but I have some problems ("No response received")

I think it could be that the read-only SNMP community string I tried
(Public) is wrong. Do you know if is there another string to test it?

I used "perl cfgmaker pub...@192.168.1.39 --global "WorkDir:
c:\www\mrtg" --output mrtg.cfg" as command

Thanks

Regards
Juan Antonio

=========================================

Juan,

I have some notes here:

http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/monitoring.html#snmp

On the RPi for SNMP, this is what I found:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Change the agentAddress from:
agentAddress udp:127.0.0.1:161

to:
agentAddress 161

Below the line:
#rocommunity public localhost

add:
rocommunity public (without the initial #)

Restart the SNMP daemon:
sudo /etc/init.d/snmpd restart

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On the Windows side, you may need to allow Perl.exe through the firewall.

There are enough examples on my Web page that you shouldn't need to run
cfgmaker against the RPi, indeed I've never done that so I wouldn't be aware
of any issues. Just checked:

perl cfgmaker public@RaspberryPi

and it works exactly as expected. In the past, I've tended to run:

perl cfgmaker public@<node> > out.cfg

rather than the two extra parameters you've used. Hint: use the IP address
form rather than the interface number form in the final configuration file:

Target[Alta]: /<RPi-IP>:public@<RPi-IP or name>

e.g.
Target[Alta]: /192.168.0.23:public@RasPi-3

just in case the interface address changes, as it can and does on Windows
after major updates.

[Juan Antonio]

Thanks David. I´ll study this info and i`ll try again

Regards

Juan Antonio

[Dragos]

Hi Angel,

I tried to read the packets from the tx pin on raspberryshake using Aruino, but I didn't get them really much.

Can you help me?

Thank you.

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[Botirla Sorin]

someone should kill this thread