Baronetcies to which succession has not been proved

[Leigh Rayment]

I was pleasantly surprised a few days ago to receive a totally unsolicited email from Commander Perry Abbott, who is the Secretary to the Standing Council of the Baronetage. A copy of his email is attached below.

 

"Dear Mr Rayment,
 
Apart from my duties as Secretary of the Standing Council of the Baronetage, I am editor of the 2011 edition of the Official Roll of the Baronetage.  I have just completed a full review of all extant Baronetcies, with access to the master folios of the Roll held within the Crown Office.  This review has identified an increased number of Dormant Baronetcies (compared with the 2006 review), where no formal claim to a succession has been made within five years of the death of baronet who had 'proved' his succession and been placed on the Official Roll.  I attach a copy of the list which, as far as the Assistant Registrar of the Baronetage is concerned, is correct up to 31st December 2011.  I hope you find it useful.
 
The full Official Roll of the Baronets is currently with the printers and should be published within the next month or so.
 
Best wishes,
 
Perry Abbott
 
C P G Abbott OBE
Secretary, Standing Council of the Baronetage"

 

The list to which he refers is a word document which updates to 31/12/2011 the listing of unproved successions. The list currently shown on the Standing Council's website is only correct up to September 2008.

 

I have not attached this file, as I suspect it would not make it through to the newsgroup. Is this the case? How can I get a copy to interested members?

 

The list raises a number of questions - for example, it treats a couple of baronetcies which I viewed as being extinct as merely "vacant" - viz Beaumont (E 1661) and Blount (E 1642)

It also shows under "Nicolson of Lasswade" that the 13th baronet died in 2008. Who is this 13th baronet? I thought that the baronetcy became dormant upon the death of the 12th baronet in 1961, but the inference is that someone has proved his succession after that time.

 

Leigh

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Darryl Lundy]

I for one would be fascinated to see a copy of this list of dormant baronetcies.

 

Regards

Darryl

 

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[Leigh Rayment]

 

Here's the list received from Perry Abbott.............

 

 

 

Dormant and Vacant Baronetcies

The holders of the following Baronetcies have died, but in each case, up to 31^st December 2011, no person has proved succession and thus the Baronetcies are either “Dormant” (Baronet died in 2005 or earlier) or “Vacant” (Baronet died in 2006 or later).

Creation		Title	Last Baronet	V / D
E		Acland of Columb John	16th Baronet died 2009	V
UK		Ainsworth of Ardanaiseig	4th Baronet died 1999	D
I		Annesley	15th Baronet died 2005	D
UK		Archdale of Riversdale	3rd Baronet died 2009	V
UK		Arthur of Upper Canada	6th Baronet died 2010	V
E		Astley of Hill Morton	12th Baronet died 2007	V
E		Bagot of Blithfield	14th Baronet died 2001	D
S		Baird of Saughton Hall	10th Baronet died 1997	D
UK		Balfour of Sheffield	2nd Baronet died 1998	D
UK		Barran of Chapel Allerton Hall & Queen's Gate	4th Baronet died 2010	V
UK		Barrett-Lennard of Belhus	6th Baronet died 2007	V
UK		Barrington of Limerick	7th Baronet died 2003	D
UK		Bartlett of Hardington Mandeville	4th Baronet died 1998	D
E		Beaumont of Stoughton Grange	12th Baronet died 2011	V
UK		Beecham of Ewanville	3rd Baronet died 1982	D
I		Bellew of Barmeath	11th Baronet died 1975	D
S		Bingham of Castlebar	12th Baronet died 1964	D
I		Blackwood of Ballyleidy	10th Baronet died 1988	D
I		Blake of Menlough, Galway	17th Baronet died 2008	V
E		Blount of Sodington	12th Baronet died 2004	D
I		Blunden of Castle Blunden	7th Baronet died 2007	V
UK		Blyth of Blythwood	4th Baronet died 2009	V
E		Boreel of Amsterdam	13th Baronet died 2001	D
UK		Boulton of Braxted Park	3rd Baronet died 2010	V
UK		Bowater of Hill Crest	4th Baronet died 2008	V
UK		Bowlby of Manchester Square	2nd Baronet died 1993	D
GB		Brisco of Crofton Place	8th Baronet died 1995	D
UK		Broadbent of Longwood & Brook Street	3rd Baronet died 1987	D
UK		Brodie of Boxford	4th Baronet died 1971	D
UK		Brooke of Almondbury	3rd Baronet died 1983	D
E		Broughton of Broughton	12th Baronet died 1993	D
UK		Brunner of Druids Cross & Winnington Old Hall	3rd Baronet died 1982	D
S		Burnett of Leys	14th Baronet died 1959	D
UK		Cable-Alexander of Belcamp, Co. Dublin	7th Baronet died 1988	D
S		Campbell of Glenorchy	14th Baronet died 1995	D
S		Campbell of Lundy	14th Baronet died 2001	D
UK		Carden of Molesey	4th Baronet died 1993	D
I		Carden of Templemore	7th Baronet died 2008	V
UK		Cary of Withington	2nd Baronet died 2011	V
E		Cave-Brown-Cave of Stanford	16th Baronet died 2011	V
UK		Chaytor of Croft	7th Baronet died 1976	D
GB		Chetwynd of Brocton Hall	8th Baronet died 2004	D
UK		Chubb of Newlands	3rd Baronet died 2003	D
UK		Clarke of Rupertswood	3rd Baronet died 2005	D
UK		Codrington of Doddington (1876)	3rd Baronet died 2005	D
GB		Colquhoun of Luss	8th Baronet died 2008	V
UK		Corry of Dunraven	4th Baronet died 2000	D
UK		Croft of Knowle	2nd Baronet died 1997	D
UK		Crofton of Longford House	5th Baronet died 2002	D
UK		Crofton of Mohill	7th Baronet died 1987	D
I		Crofton of the Mote	8th Baronet died 1974	D
UK		Crossley of Glenfield	5th Baronet died 2003	D
UK		Currie	5th Baronet died 1978	D
S		Curzon of Kedleston	11th Baronet died 2000	D
E		Curzon of Kedleston	11th Baronet died 2000	D
UK		Dalrymple-White of High Mark	2nd Baronet died 2006	V
UK		Davson of Berbice	3rd Baronet died 2004	D
I		Deane-Morgan of Dromore	11th Baronet died 1954	D
UK		Debenham of Bladen	3rd Baronet died 2001	D
UK		de-Yarburgh Bateson, formerly Bateson, of Belvoir Park	7th Baronet died 2006	D
UK		Dixon of Astle	4th Baronet died 1990	D
GB		Duntze of Tiverton	6th Baronet died 1985	D
UK		Edge of Ribble Lodge	2nd Baronet died 1984	D
UK		Edwards-Moss of Roby Hall	4th Baronet died 1988	D
S	Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound, formerly Elliot, of Headshaw	9th Baronet died 2005	D
E	Fagge of Wiston	11th Baronet died 2000	D
I	Falkiner of Annemount	9th Baronet died 1997	D
UK	Fison of Greenholme	4th Baronet died 2008	V
UK	FitzGerald of Cork	2nd Baronet died 1957	D
S	Forbes-Sempill of Craigievar	12th Baronet died 2000	D
UK	Foster of Bloomsbury	3rd Baronet died 2006	V
UK	Fox-Strangways-Guest, formerly Guest, of Dowlais	5th Baronet died 1993	D
UK	Freeman of Myrtle	2nd Baronet died 1981	D
UK	Gibson of Linconia and Faccombe	3rd Baronet died 1994	D
UK	Gilbey of Elsenham Hall	3rd Baronet died 1991	D
UK	Gilmour of Liberton & Craig Millar	3rd Baronet died 2007	V
S	Gordon of Embo	12th Baronet died 1956	D
UK	Goulding of Millicent	3rd Baronet died 1982	D
E	Graham of Esk	12th Baronet died 1975	D
S	Grant of Grant	17th Baronet died 1992	D
E	Grey-Egerton of Egerton	15th Baronet died 2008	V
S	Grierson of Lag	12th Baronet died 2008	V
UK	Grimston of Westbury	2nd Baronet died 2003	D
UK	Grove of Fern House	3rd Baronet died 1962	D
UK	Gwynne-Evans of Oaklands Park	4th Baronet died 1993	D
UK	Hambling of Yoxford	3rd Baronet died 2010	V
E	Hanham of Wimborne	12th Baronet died 2009	V
GB	Harbord-Hamond, formerly Harbord, of Gunton	12th baronet died 2011	V
UK	Hardinge of Fermanagh	5th Baronet died 1956	D
UK	Harmsworth of Freshwater Grove	2nd Baronet died1977	D
UK	Harvey of Crown Point	5th Baronet died 2010	V
UK	Harvey of Threadneedle Street	3rd Baronet died 1978	D
GB	Hawley of Leybourne	7th Baronet died 1988	D
S	Hay of Alderston	10th Baronet died 1985	D
S	Hay of Smithfield	11th Baronet died 1966	D
E	Hazlerigg of Noseley	14th Baronet died 2002	D
GB	Heathcote of Hursley	11th Baronet died 2007	V
UK	Henniker of Newton Hall	8th Baronet died 1991	D
GB	Henniker-Major, formerly Major, of Worlingworth Hall	9th Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Henry of Cahore	2nd Baronet died 1997	D
S	Heron-Maxwell of Sprinkell	9th Baronet died 1982	D
UK	Hervey-Bathurst of Lainston	7th Baronet died 2011	V
UK	Hodge of Chipstead	2nd Baronet died 1995	D
UK	Holderness of Tadworth	3rd Baronet died  1998	D
S	Home-Purves-Hume-Campbell, formerly Campbell, of Purves Hall	8th Baronet died 1960	D
UK	Hood of Wimbledon	2nd Baronet died 2005	D
E	Hoskyns of Harewood	16rd Baronet died 2010	D
UK	Jackson of Arlsey	6th Baronet died 1980	D
UK	Johnson of Bath	6th Baronet died 1986	D
UK	Joseph of Portsoken	2nd Baronet died 1994	D
UK	Kellett of Lota	4th Baronet died 1966	D
UK	Kennedy of Johnstown	5th Baronet died 1974	D
UK	Keyes of Zeebrugge and Dover	2nd Baronet died 2005	D
I	King-Tenison, formerly King, of Boyle Abbey	15th Baronet died 2002	D
E	Knatchbull of Mersham Hatch	16th Baronet died 2005	D
GB	Lambert of London	9th Baronet died 1988/89	D
UK	Lawrence of Lucknow	6th Baronet died 1999	D
UK	Lechmere of The Rhydd	7th Baronet died 2010	V
UK	Leeds of Croxton Park	8th Baronet died 2009	V
GB	Leith-Buchanan, formerly Leith, of Burgh St. Peter	6th Baronet died 1973	D
S	Leslie of Wardis	9th Baronet died 1967	D
UK	Lewis of Nantgwyne	3rd Baronet died 1977	D
E	Liddell of Ravensworth Castle	13th Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Lindsay of Dowhill	2nd Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Lindsay-Hogg, formerly Hogg, of Rotherfield Hall	4th Baronet died 1999	D
GB	Lloyd-Mostyn, formerly Lloyd, of Pengwern	6th Baronet died 2000	D
UK	Lopes of Maristow House	5th Baronet died 1992	D
UK	Lucas of Ashtead Park and Lowestoft	4th Baronet died 1980	D
E	Lyon-Dalberg-Acton, formerly Acton, of  Aldenham	11th Baronet died 2010	V
E	Lyttleton of Frankley	14th Baronet died 2006	V
I	Macartney of Lish	6th Baronet died 1999	D
UK	Macgregor of Savile Row	7th Baronet died 2003	D
S	Mackenzie of Coul	12th Baronet died 1990	D
UK	Mackenzie of Glen Muick	4th Baronet died 1993	D
S	Mackenzie of Scatwell	9th Baronet died 1972	D
UK	Maitland of Clifton	10th Baronet died 1994	D
UK	May of the Eyot	3rd Baronet died 2006	V
UK	McCowan of Dalwhat	2nd Baronet died 1965	D
UK	McLaren of Bodnant, Gwylgre and Hilders	3rd Baronet died 2003	D
UK	Meyer of Shortgrove	3rd Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Meyrick of Bush House and Apley Castle	4th Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Miles of Leigh Court	6th Baronet died 2010	V
E	Miller of Chichester	12th Baronet died 2007	V
UK	Mitchell Cotts, formerly Cotts, of Coldharbour Wood	3rd Baronet died 1995	D
S	Moncreiff of Moncreiff	15th Baronet died 2002	D
UK	Moncreiff of Tulliebole	5th Baronet died 2002	D
UK	Moon of Copsewood Grange	4th Baronet died 1979	D
UK	Morris of Clasemont	9th Baronet died 1982	D
UK	Morris of Spiddal	3rd Baronet died 1996	D
GB	Mosley of Ancoats	6th Baronet died 1980	D
UK	Mount of Wasing	2nd Baronet died 1993	D
UK	Muir of Deanston and Park Gardens, Glasgow	3rd Baronet died 1994	D
S	Munro of Foulis	15th Baronet died 1996	D
S	Murray of Dunerne	13th Baronet died 1958	D
UK	Nelson of Acton Park	3rd Baronet died 1991	D
S	Nicolson of Carnock	14th Baronet died 2008	V
S	Nicolson of Lasswade	13th Baronet died 2008	V
UK	Nixon of Roebuck Grove	4th Baronet died 1997	D
E	Northcote of Haine	11th Baronet died 2004	D
UK	Nugent of Waddesdon	5th Baronet died 2006	V
UK	Oakshott of Bebington	2nd Baronet died 2002	D
I	O'Brien of Lemenagh	9th Baronet died 1982	D
UK	O'Brien of Merrion Square	6th Baronet died 1982	D
UK	Pakington of Westwood Park	6th Baronet died 2003	D
E	Parkyns of Bunney Park	7th Baronet died 1926	D
GB	Pepys of Upper Brook Street	11th Baronet died 2000	D
UK	Pepys of Wimpole Street	10th Baronet died 2000	D
I	Perceval of Burton	15th Baronet died 2001	D
UK	Peto of Somerleyton Hall	4th Baronet died 2010	V
E	Philipps of Picton	15th Baronet died 2009	V
UK	Philipson-Stow of Capetown and Blackdown House	5th Baronet died 2005	D
I	Piers of Tristernagh	10th Baronet died 1996	D
GB	Pollen of Redenham	7th Baronet died 2003	D
UK	Pollock of Hanworth	2nd Baronet died 1996	D
UK	Ponsonby of Wootton	2nd Baronet died 2010	V
GB	Poore of Rushall	6th Baronet died date unknown	D
UK	Porritt of Hampstead	1st Baronet died 1994	D
UK	Pauncefort-Duncombe	4th Baronet died 2011	V
UK	Power of Kilfane	7th Baronet died 1928	D
UK	Prichard-Jones, formerly Jones, of Bron Menai	2nd Baronet died 2007	V
UK	Primrose of Redholme	4th Baronet died 1986	D
E	Reade of Barton	12th baronet died 1982	D
GB	Rich of Rose Hall	6th Baronet died 1983	D
S	Riddell of Riddell	13th Baronet died 2010	V
UK	Rivett-Carnac of Derby	9th Baronet died 2009	V
UK	Roberts of Brynewenalt	3rd Baronet died 2007	V
UK	Robertson of Welbourne	3rd Baronet died 2009	V
UK	Robinson of Toronto	7th Baronet died 1988	D
GB	Rodney of Alresford	9th  Baronet died 1992	D
UK	Rose of Rayners	3rd Baronet died 1982	D
UK	Rugge-Price of Spring Grove	9th Baronet died 2000	D
UK	Russell of Swallowfield	6th Baronet died 1964	D
UK	Seager of St. Mellons	1st Baronet died 1963	D
E	Sebright of Besford	14th Baronet died 1985	D
S	Seton of Pitmedden	11th Baronet died 1993	D
UK	Simeon of Grazeley	7th Baronet died 1999	D
UK	Sitwell of Renishaw	7th Baronet died 2009	V
UK	Smith of Eardiston	5th Baronet died 2000	D
I	Somerville of Dublin	6th Baronet died 1929	D
E	St. John of Lideard Tregoze	10th Baronet died 1974	D
UK	Stephenson of Hassop Hall	2nd Baronet died 1982	D
S	Stirling of Glorat	9th Baronet died 1949	D
UK	Strachey of Sutton Court	5th Baronet died 1973	D
UK	Stronge of Tynan	8th Baronet died 1981	D
E	Stuart of Hartley Maudit	7th Baronet died 1939	D
S	Stuart-Forbes of Monymusk	12th Baronet died 1985	D
UK	Stuart-Menteth of Closeburn	6th Baronet died 2008	V
E	Style of Wateringbury	12th Baronet died 1981	D
I	Taylour of Kells	9th Baronet died 2005	D
UK	Tennant of The Glen and St. Rollux	4th Baronet died 2010	V
E	Thorold of Marston	15th Baronet died 1999	D
I	Tottenham of Tottenham Green	9th Baronet died 2006	V
E	Trevelyan of Nettlecombe	9th Baronet died 1976	D
UK	Trevelyan of Wallington	5th Baronet died 2011	V
UK	Truscott of Oakleigh	3rd Baronet died 2001	D
GB	Vanneck of Putney	7th Baronet died 1969	D
UK	Verney of Eaton Square	2nd Baronet died 1993	D
UK	Verney, formerly Calvert, of Claydon House	5th Baronet died 2001	D
UK	Vivian of Singleton	4th Baronet died 2005	D
E	Vyvyan of Trelowarren	12th Baronet died 1995	D
UK	Wakeman of Perdiswell Hall	5th Baronet died 1991	D
I	Waller of Newport, Tipperary	9th Baronet died 2000	D
UK	Walsham of Knill Court	4th Baronet died 1992	D
S	Wardlaw of Pitreavie	20th Baronet died 1983	D
I	Warren of Warrenscourt	9th Baronet died 2006	V
UK	Wells of Felmersham	2nd Baronet died 1996	D
UK	White of Boulge Hall	2nd Baronet died 1972	D
UK	Wigan of Clare Lawn & Purland Chase, Ross	5th Baronet died 1996	D
UK	Wiggin of Metchley Grange & Garth Gwynion	4th Baronet died 1992	D
E	Willoughby of Wollaton	13th Baronet died 2011	V
I	Wolseley of Mount Wolseley, County Carlow	12th Baronet died 1991	D
GB	Wombwell of Wombwell	6th Baronet died 1977	D
GB	Wyndham-Quinn, formerly Quinn, of Adare	7th Baronet died 2011	V

[William]

[William]

COMMANDER ABBOTT IS A GOOD EGG.
NEXT TASK IS TO GET THE OFFICIAL ROLL ONTO THE WEB.

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[Richard R]

Congratulations on this Leigh. A great testament to the high regard in
which your efforts are held even in official circles. Your website is
the unchallenged standard against which many people (this peep
included) judge other online offers. I know I regularly plug it here,
but it's so easy to use as it doesn't try to give opinions or
theories, unless backed up by solid facts and research. And any
footnotes are relegated to the end of the lists, thereby minimising
scrolling to find names etc. There are plenty of sites out there
giving other information (and I applaud those) but what this poster
regularly needs is a very accurate and realiable and complete list of
the peerage, baronetage etc, as a quick reference and aide memoire.
And I certainly get that from your site.

The rest of the group may bask a little in the warm glow of your
achievment, as we regularly feed into the site via this one. But
that's not to detract from the enormous effort from you, Leigh, to
ensure your records are as accurate and as up-to-date as they can be.

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[marquess]

Most interesting, I noted that a few of those baronetcies where the
succession had not been proven-- are attached to peerages. Surely
where a baronetcy has followed the succession of a peerage, and the
succession to peerage has been proven, then surely there should not
have to be a separate process for the baronetcy?

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[William]

the officiall roll is now on the web.
http://www.baronetage.org/official-roll-of-the-baronets/

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[Richard R]

Re peers claiming their baronetcy/ies at the same time as establishing
peerage claim. I suppose it's down to the family to do this though.
The governing authority can't just assume a baronetcy follows a
peerage. There have been occasions when peerages have split from the
baronetcy.

On Jan 25, 10:43 am, William <william.arbuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the officiall roll is now on the web.http://www.baronetage.org/official-roll-of-the-baronets/

[sarac...@googlemail.com]

Through my copies of 'BLG-the Kingdom of Scotland' and 'Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage,106th Edition',it states the present 4th Lord
Carnock,recog. Chief of Clan Nicolson holds both his own hereditary
Baronetcy of Carnock(cr.1637) as the 14th holder,as well as from 1984
successfully claiming the Baronetcy of Lasswade(cr.1629) as the 16th
holder on the basis he proves he was the nearest surviving male heir
as senior lineal descendant of the 1st Bt. of Carnock,younger bro. of
the 1st Bt. of Lasswade.Of the latter,I am unsure of its intervening
history from the Shetland-based holders down to the noted Sir Harold,
12th Bt.(d.1961);so who are or were the 13th-15th Bts,bearing in mind
the present Lord Carnock's father might have been classed as a DE JURE
and DE FACTO holder(1961-82), unless the numeration is being confused
with the Carnock one?

On the matter of the cited 'vacant' baronetcies such as Beaumont and
Blount,looking at their last printed Burke's genealogies,there is
slight optimism that claimants might eventually come
forward,especially as the 1st,2nd and father of the 4th Bt.Blount
seems to have had left ygr. sons with extant progeny,not including the
putative extant family of Bt.Blunt of London(cr.1720).The Beaumont
entry implied that the 6th and 9th Bts. might have had ygr. brothers
leaving lost issue.

[marquess]

Agree on that point Richard but those are usually Scottish peerages
with remainder to heirs general, which overall represent a small
percentage of the overall peerage. How many peerages of the UK, GB or
England ((Writ of Summons aside) or Ireland have a remainder that
differs from that of the baronetcy? Unless the baronetcy is a
collateral to the peerage, in which case the latter may sometimes
become extinct.

[John Mason]

Were any of these baronetcies held by hereditary peers?

John Mason.

On Jan 25, 3:03 am, "Leigh Rayment" <lraym...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

[Richard R]

My example of a split in titles is just one reason why there may not
be a claim for the lower honour. But the simple rule is the onus for
claiming a title rests with the family on whom it is conferred. The
state cannot get involved in the expense and time of doing this work
on a family's behalf. There are practical reasons for this as well as
an eye to taxpayers' who would not stand for it. It is an honour after
all, and if families are keen to posses it they must do something
towards gettting it. It's unreasonable to expect it to fall on them
with no effort on their part, in this day and age (however we may
lament modern times in this respect). Of course, most families now in
this situation are as unconcerned about getting the title as the
public at large. Certainly that is the attitude in my experience when
speaking to such families. (Again, however much we etc etc,,,)

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[marquess]

Well in all honesty if you are the son of a particular Bart of
hereditary Peer, and you are born within wedlock, Debretts and Who's
Who will usually list you as being the next peer or bart, that is good
enough for most and good enough for me. There is not automatic seat to
be had, so why go the expense or effort?

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[Richard R]

Yes, I imagine that is the attitude some families take, and won't mind
that if someone calls the Standing Council who tells them they don't
recognise the title holder, however strong his claim. Other families I
know simply don't use the title because, a new, young, self-made,
generation simply don't get the point of them (I'm not expressing a
view here, just the views of people I've come across).

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[marquess]

Perhaps the council needs to review the way that it does business,
least it become redundant-- unless there is a succession by a distant
collateral to which another distant collateral is disputing; then I
don't see why they are needed.

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[Richard R]

These things (titles and who should succeed) cannot be left to the
families. There has to be some uninterested arbitrator in such
matters. Although it seems to readers of peerages that successions are
straightforward, there must be a mechanism whereby successors, even
heirs apparent, are asked to prove their claim. It is not entirely
unknown for an heir to be born out of wedlock, unknown to himself,
until he has to prove his legitimacy. Or for an heir to have an elder
sibling, again possibly unknown to himself, who is the product of a
previous, if secret, legally binding marriage. These are just a few
examples of why regulation is needed. I'm sure other examples can be
made.
If someone aspires to an honour (and I've already said that in this
day and age many so entitled don't - however much this group may
deplore such an attitude) then it is reasonable to expect them to make
some little effort towards making it official. They wouldn't want
someone else assuming the title, which is what might happen if there
was no regulation in such matters.

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[marquess]

Some well put points!

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[Leigh Rayment]

> Were any of these baronetcies held by hereditary peers?
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> John Mason.

John - quite a few (almost exactly one quarter) of the baronetcies appearing
on the list of those to
which succession has not been proved are held by hereditary peers, as
follows:-

Annesley - Valentia V

Astley of Hill Morton - Hastings B

Bagot of Blithfield - Bagot B

Balfour of Sheffield - Riverdale B

Bellew of Barmeath - Bellew B

Bingham of Castlebar - Lucan E

Blackwood of Ballyleidy - Dufferin and Claneboye B

Blyth of Blythwood - Blyth B

Campbell of Lundy - Argyll D

Chubb of Newlands - Hayter B

Croft of Knowle - Croft B

Crofton of the Mote - Crofton B

Curzon of Kedleston (2) - Scarsdale B

Deane-Morgan of Dromore - Muskerry B

Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound of Headshaw - Minto E

Fox-Strangways-Guest - Wimborne V

Grant of Grant - Strathspey B

Grimston of Westbury - Grimston of Westbury B

Harbord-Hamond of Gunton - Suffield B

Hardinge of Fermanagh - Hardinge V

Harvey of Crown Point - Harvey of Tasburgh B

Hazlerigg of Noseley - Hazlerigg B

Henniker of Worlingworth Hall - Henniker B

Keyes of Zeebrugge and Dover - Keyes B

King-Tenison of Boyle Abbey - Kingston E

Knatchbull of Mersham Hatch - Brabourne B

Lewis of Nantgwyne - Merthyr B

Liddell of Ravensworth Castle - Ravensworth B

Lloyd of Pengwern - Mostyn B

Lopes of Maristow - Roborough B

Lyttelton of Frankley - Cobham V

McLaren of Bodnant - Aberconway B

May of the Eyot - May B

Moncreiff of Moncreiff/Moncreiff of Tullibole - Moncreiff B

Mosley of Ancoats - Ravensdale B

Nicolson of Lasswade/Nicolson of Carnock - Carnock B

Northcote of Haine - Iddesleigh E

O'Brien of Lemenagh - Inchiquin B

Pakington of Westwood Park - Hampton B

Pepys of Upper Brook Street/Pepys of Wimpole Street - Cottenham E

Perceval of Burton - Egmont E

Philipps of Picton - St. Davids V

Pollock of Hanworth - Hanworth B

Roberts of Abergele - Clwyd B

Robertson of Welbourne - Robertson of Oakridge B

Rodney of Alresford - Rodney B

St. John of Lideard Tregoze - St. John V

Seager of St. Mellons - Leighton of St. Mellons B

Taylour of Kells - Headfort M

Tennant of the Glen - Glenconner B

Tottenham of Tottenham Green - Ely M

Vanneck of Putney - Huntingfield B

Vivian of Singleton - Swansea B

Willoughby of Wollaton - Middleton B

Wynn of Bodvean - Newborough B

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From: "John Mason" <johnj...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:05 AM
To: "Peerage News" <peerag...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Baronetcies to which succession has not been proved

> >

[Leigh Rayment]

As a result of Perry Abbott's recent email regarding the revised list of unproved successions, I have exchanged a number of emails with him (and William, I agree that he IS a "good egg").

While there are still a number of unresolved queries, the following pieces of information may be of interest to this group......

 

* Ranchhodlal/Chinubhai - members may recall my post of 3 October 2009 in which I advised that an Indian correspondent had asked whether I knew who had succeeded to this baronetcy on the death of the 3rd baronet in 2006. Perry Abbott tells me that the SCB has no knowledge of this death. I can find no mention of it in a search of Indian newspaper archives, and, as I only have the word of one correspondent (from whom I have never heard again), I have raised the 3rd baronet from the dead pending further confirmation.

 

* Hutchison of Rossie - according to Burke's, the 2nd baronet Hutchison of Rossie died in January 1998. However, Burke's also states that the 2nd baronet Hutchison of Thurle also died in January 1998. It seems to me that it would be an amazing coincidence that two Sir Peter Hutchisons, both 2nd baronets, died in the same month, which leads me to believe that Burke's has made in error in relation to the Hutchison of Rossie baronetcy. In any event, Perry assures me that Sir Peter Hutchison of Rossie is still alive, and I've adjusted my listings accordingly.

 

* The only baronetcy which I couldn't find in either the current listing of baronets or the listing of those with unproved succession was that of Lawes (sometime Lawes-Wittewronge) [UK 1882]. Perry informs me that the 5th baronet died in 2009, and that the baronetcy became extinct on his death. I don't believe that this group ever picked up on this death/extinction.

 

* Sir Frederick William John Hervey-Bathurst, 8th baronet of Lainston [UK 1818] has proved his succession within the last couple of days.

 

Leigh

 

[marquess]

Thanks Leigh for the through information!

[Richard R]

Yes, some excellent additional intelligence Leigh. 'Perry' obviously
proving a most useful contact! I Suppose the SCB must often rely on
families for their information - and sometimes the families are not
very forthcoming!
I see Debrett's still lists the 3rd Chinubai Bt as living, and notes
that the Lawes Btcy became extinct in 2009. Strange that none of the
group picked up the latter whilst flicking through the latest edition.
Still, the perfect poster, just like the perfect peerage, has yet to
be born I suppose!

[colinp]

The 2nd Baronet Porritt of Hampstead (cr 1963 UK) Sir Jonathan Espie Porritt CBE is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Are the Jacobite Baronetcy listed on the offical roll ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_Peerage#Baronets

[colinp]

Sir Saxby Gregory Foster 4th Baronet of Bloomsbury (UK cr 1930) is now listed as the holder of the baronetcy on the Official Roll of the Baronetage after a break of 11 years or so

On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 23:39:14 UTC, sealion wrote:

[colinp]

The Jacobite baronetcies are not listed on the Official Roll.  I doubt if the Crown considers them to have been validly granted.

On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 23:39:14 UTC, sealion wrote:

[colinp]

Sir Stephan Gerard Boreel (otherwise known as Stephen Gerard Boreel), 14th Baronet is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage.  The Boreel baronetcy (E 1645) has not appeared on the Roll since the death of the 13th Baronet in 2001

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Can someone please post the new list here?  

I want to be able to print it and can't from the website.

Thanks very much.

Brooke

[colinp]

Go to www.baronetage.org then under the "Pages" list on the right click on "Baronetcies to which no succession has been proved" then when the new page opens click on the attached document "Unclaimed 31 Dec 17". That will take you to a printable list as at 31 Dec 2017

[bx...@yahoo.com]

colinp, it keeps me in "Protected View" which doesn't allow me to print.

Brooke

[Baronetcy Lady]

Here you go:

Title	Creation	Last Baronet Died	Vacant / Dormant
Abdy of Albyns	UK	6th Baronet died 2012	V
Acland of Columb John	E	16th Baronet died 2009	D
Ainsworth of Ardanaiseig	UK

4th Baronet died 1999

D

Annesley of Mount Norris	I

15th Baronet died 2005

D

Archdale of Riversdale	UK	3rd Baronet died 2009	D
Arthur of Upper Canada	UK	6th Baronet died 2010	D
Astley of Hill Morton	E	12th Baronet died 2007	D
Bagot of Blithfield	E

14th Baronet died 2001

D

Baird of Saughton Hall	S

10th Baronet died 1997

D

Balfour of Sheffield	UK

2nd Baronet died 1998

D

Barran of Chapel Allerton Hall and  Queen's Gate	UK	4th Baronet died 2010	D
Barrett-Lennard of Belhus	UK	6th Baronet died 2007	D
Barrington of Limerick	UK

7th Baronet died 2003

D

Bartlett of Hardington Mandeville	UK

4th Baronet died 1998

D

Beaumont of Stoughton Grange	E	12th Baronet died 2011	D
Beecham of Ewanville	UK

3rd Baronet died 1982

D

Beresford of Coleraine	I	12th Baronet died 2015	V
Blackwood of Ballyleidy	I

10th Baronet died 1988

D

Blake of Menlough, Galway	I	17th Baronet died 2008	D
Blount of Sodington	E

12th Baronet died 2004

D

Blunden of Castle Blunden	I	7th Baronet died 2007	D
Blyth of Blythwood	UK	4th Baronet died 2009	D
Boreel of Amsterdam	E

13th Baronet died 2001

D

Boulton of Braxted Park	UK	3rd Baronet died 2010	D
Bowater of Hill Crest	UK	4th Baronet died 2008	D
Brassey of Apethorpe	UK	3rd Baronet died 2015	V
Brisco of Crofton Place	GB

8th Baronet died 1995

D

Broadbent of Longwood and Brook Street	UK

3rd Baronet died 1987

D

Brodie of Boxford	UK

4th Baronet died 1971

D

Broughton of Broughton	E

12th Baronet died 1993

D

Browne of the Neal	S	13th Baronet died 2014	V
Bruce-Gardner of Frilford	UK	3rd Baronet died 2017	V
Brunner of Druids Cross and Winnington Old Hall	UK

3rd Baronet died 1982

D

Brunton of Stratford Place	UK	3rd Baronet died 2007	D
Buckworth-Herne-Soame, formerly Buckworth, of Sheen	E	12th Baronet died 2013	V
Burnett of Leys	S

14th Baronet died 1959

D

Cable-Alexander of Belcamp, Co. Dublin

UK

7th Baronet died 1988

D

Campbell of Glenorchy	S

14th Baronet died 1995

D

Campbell of Lundy	S

14th Baronet died 2001

D

Campbell-Orde of Morpeth	GB	6th Baronet died 2016	V
Carden of Molesey	UK

4th Baronet died 1993

D

Carden of Templemore	I	7th Baronet died 2008	D
Cary of Withington	UK	2nd Baronet died 2011	D
Cayzer of Gartmore	UK	5th Baronet died 2012	V
Chance of Grand Avenue, Hove	UK	4th Baronet died 2017	V
Chaytor of Croft	UK

7th Baronet died 1976

D

Chetwynd of Brocton Hall	GB

8th Baronet died 2004

D

Chinubhai, formerly Runchorelal, of Shahpur	UK	3rd Baronet died 2006	D
Chitty of the Temple	UK	3rd Baronet died 2014	V
Coats of Auchendrane	UK	4th Baronet died 2015	V
Cockburn of that Ilk	S	12th Baronet died 2015	V
Croft of Knowle	UK

2nd Baronet died 1997

D

Currie	UK

5th Baronet died 1978

D

Curzon of Kedleston	S

11th Baronet died 2000

D

Curzon of Kedleston	E

11th Baronet died 2000

D

Dalrymple-White of High Mark	UK	2nd Baronet died 2006	D
Dalyell of the Binns #	S	11th Baronet died 2017	V
Deane-Morgan of Dromore	I

11th Baronet died 1954

D

Debenham of Bladen	UK

3rd Baronet died 2001

D

Denman of Staffield	UK	2nd Baronet died 2012	V

de-Yarburgh Bateson, formerly Bateson, of Belvoir Park

UK

7th Baronet died 2006

D

Duntze of Tiverton	GB

6th Baronet died 1985

D

Eardley-Wilmot of Berkswell Hall	UK	6th Baronet died 2014	V
Edge of Ribble Lodge	UK

2nd Baronet died 1984

D

Edwards-Moss of Roby Hall	UK

4th Baronet died 1988

D

Esplen of Hardres Court	UK	3rd Baronet died 2016	V
Evans of Wightwick	UK	2nd Baronet died 2017	V
Evans-Freke, formerly Freke, later Carbery, of Castle Freke	I	11th Baronet died 2012	V
Fagge of Wiston	E

11th Baronet died 2000

D

Falkiner of Annemount	I

9th Baronet died 1997

D

ffrench of Clogher	I	8th baronet died 1986	D
Fison of Greenholme	UK	4th Baronet died 2008	D
FitzGerald of Cork	UK

2nd Baronet died 1957

D

Forbes-Sempill of Craigievar	S

12th Baronet died 2000

D

Freeman of Murtle	UK

2nd Baronet died 1981

D

Gibson of Linconia and Faccombe

UK

3rd Baronet died 1994

D

Gilbey of Elsenham Hall	UK

3rd Baronet died 1991

D

Gilmour of Liberton and Craig Millar	UK	3rd Baronet died 2007	D
Gordon of Embo	S

12th Baronet died 1956

D

Goulding of Millicent	UK

3rd Baronet died 1982

D

Graham of Esk	E

12th Baronet died 1975

D

Grey of Howick	GB	7th Baronet died 2013	V
Grierson of Lag	S	12th Baronet died 2008	D
Grove of Fern House	UK

3rd Baronet died 1962

D

Gwynne-Evans of Oaklands Park	UK

4th Baronet died 1993

D

Hardinge of Fermanagh	UK

5th Baronet died 1956

D

Harmsworth of Freshwater Grove	UK	2nd Baronet died 1977	D
Harvey of Crown Point	UK	5th Baronet died 2010	D
Hay of Alderston	S

10th Baronet died 1985

D

Hay of Smithfield	S

11th Baronet died 1966

D

Hazlerigg of Noseley	E

14th Baronet died 2002

D

Heathcote of Hursley	GB	11th Baronet died 2007	D
Henniker of Newton Hall	UK

8th Baronet died 1991

D

Henry of Cahore	UK

2nd Baronet died 1997

D

Heron-Maxwell of Sprinkell	S

9th Baronet died 1982

D

Hodge of Chipstead	UK

2nd Baronet died 1995

D

Home-Purves-Hume-Campbell, formerly Campbell, of Purves Hall

S

8th Baronet died 1960

D

Hood of Wimbledon	UK

2nd Baronet died 2005

D

Jackson of Arlsey	UK

6th Baronet died 1980

D

Johnson of Bath	UK

6th Baronet died 1986

D

Jones of Treeton	UK	4th Baronet died 2016	V
Joseph of Portsoken	UK

2nd Baronet died 1994

D

Kellett of Lota	UK

4th Baronet died 1966

D

Kennaway of Hyderabad	GB	5th Baronet died 2017	V
Kennedy of Johnstown	UK

5th Baronet died 1974

D

Keyes of Zeebrugge and Dover

UK

2nd Baronet died 2005

D

King-Tenison, formerly King, of Boyle Abbey

I

15th Baronet died 2002

D

Lambert of London	GB

9th Baronet died 1988/89

D

Lawrence of Ealing Park	UK	5th Baronet died 2015	V
Leeds of Croxton Park	UK	8th Baronet died 2009	D

Leith-Buchanan, formerly Leith, of Burgh St. Peter

GB

6th Baronet died 1973

D

Leslie of Glaslough	UK	4th Baronet died 2016	V
Leslie of Wardis	S

9th Baronet died 1967

D

Liddell of Ravensworth Castle	E

13th Baronet died 2004

D

Lindsay of Dowhill	UK

2nd Baronet died 2004

D

Lindsay-Hogg, formerly Hogg, of Rotherfield Hall

UK

4th Baronet died 1999

D

Lucas of Ashtead Park and Lowestoft

UK

4th Baronet died 1980

D

Lyon-Dalberg-Acton, formerly Acton, of  Aldenham

E	11th Baronet died 2010	D
Macartney of Lish	I

6th Baronet died 1999

D

Macgregor of Savile Row	UK

7th Baronet died 2003

D

Mackenzie of Coul	S

12th Baronet died 1990

D

Mackenzie of Glen Muick	UK

4th Baronet died 1993

D

Mackenzie of Scatwell	S

9th Baronet died 1972

D

Maitland of Clifton	UK	9th Baronet died 1994	D
Marsden of Grimsby	UK	4th Baronet died 2012	V
May of the Eyot	UK	3rd Baronet died 2006	D
McCowan of Dalwhat	UK

2nd Baronet died 1965

D

McLaren of Bodnant, Gwylgre and Hilders

UK

3rd Baronet died 2003

D

McLeod of The Fairfields	UK	3rd Baronet died 2012	V
Meyer of Shortgrove	UK

3rd Baronet died 2004

D

Meyrick of Bush House and Apley Castle

UK

4th Baronet died 2004

D

Miles of Leigh Court	UK	6th Baronet died 2010	D

Mitchell Cotts, formerly Cotts, of Coldharbour Wood

UK

3rd Baronet died 1995

D

Moncreiff of Moncreiff	S

15th Baronet died 2002

D

Moncreiff of Tulliebole	UK

5th Baronet died 2002

D

Montagu-Pollock, formerly Pollock, of The Khyber Pass	UK	5th Baronet died 2017	V
Moon of Copsewood Grange	UK	6th Baronet died 2017	V
Morris of Clasemont	UK

9th Baronet died 1982

D

Mount of Wasing	UK

2nd Baronet died 1993

D

Muir of Deanston and Park Gardens, Glasgow

UK

3rd Baronet died 1994

D

Munro of Foulis	S

15th Baronet died 1996

D

Murray of Dunerne	S

13th Baronet died 1958

D

Nelson of Acton Park	UK

3rd Baronet died 1991

D

Nicolson of Carnock	S	14th Baronet died 2008	D
Nicolson of Lasswade	S	13th Baronet died 2008	D
Nixon of Roebuck Grove	UK

4th Baronet died 1997

D

Nugent of Waddesdon	UK	5th Baronet died 2006	D

O'Brien of Merrion Square

UK

6th Baronet died 1982

D

O'Loghlen of Drumnocora	UK	6th Baronet died 2014	V
Paget of Plas-Newydd	I	10th Baronet died 2013	V
Parkyns of Bunney Park	E

7th Baronet died 1926

D

Parnell of Rathleague	I	11th Baronet died 2015	V

Philipson-Stow of Capetown and Blackdown House

UK

5th Baronet died 2005

D

Piers of Tristernagh	I

10th Baronet died 1996

D

Pigott of Knapton	UK	5th Baronet died 2017	V
Pollen of Redenham	GB

7th Baronet died 2003

D

Poore of Rushall	GB	6th Baronet died 2004 ?	D
Power of Kilfane	UK

7th Baronet died 1928

D

Prichard-Jones, formerly Jones, of Bron Menai

UK	2nd Baronet died 2007	D
Primrose of Redholme	UK

4th Baronet died 1986

D

Reade of Barton	E	12th Baronet died 1982	D
Rich of Rose Hall	GB

6th Baronet died 1983

D

Richardson-Bunbury of Aughor	I	5th Baronet died 2017	V
Roberts of Milner Field	UK	3rd Baronet died 2012	V
Robinson of Toronto	UK

7th Baronet died 1988

D

Rodney of Alresford	GB

9th Baronet died 1992

D

Ropner of Thorp Perrow	UK	2nd Baronet died 2016	V
Rose of Rayners	UK

3rd Baronet died 1982

D

Rugge-Price of Spring Grove	UK

9th Baronet died 2000

D

Russell of Swallowfield	UK

6th Baronet died 1964

D

Seager of St. Mellons	UK

1st Baronet died 1963

D

Sebright of Besford	E

14th Baronet died 1985

D

Seton of Pitmedden	S

11th Baronet died 1993

D

Sharp of Heckmondwike	UK	4th Baronet died 2014	V
Simeon of Grazeley	UK

7th Baronet died 1999

D

Sitwell of Renishaw	UK	7th Baronet died 2009	D
Smith of Eardiston	UK

5th Baronet died 2000

D

Somerville of Dublin	I

6th Baronet died 1929

D

St John of Lideard Tregoze	E

10th Baronet died 1974

D

Stephenson of Hassop Hall	UK

2nd Baronet died 1982

D

Stirling of Glorat	S

9th Baronet died 1949

D

Strachey of Sutton Court	UK

5th Baronet died 1973

D

Stronge of Tynan	UK

8th Baronet died 1981

D

Stuart of Hartley Maudit	E

7th Baronet died 1939

D

Stuart-Forbes of Monymusk	S

12th Baronet died 1985

D

Stuart-Menteth of Closeburn	UK	6th Baronet died 2008	D
Style of Wateringbury	E

12th Baronet died 1981

D

Synge of Kiltrough	UK	8th Baronet died 2011	D
Tate of Park Hill	UK	5th Baronet died 2012	V
Taylour of Kells	I

9th Baronet died 2005

D

Thorold of Marston	E

15th Baronet died 1999

D

Tottenham of Tottenham Green	I	9th Baronet died 2006	D
Trevelyan of Nettlecombe	E

9th Baronet died 1976

D

Truscott of Oakleigh	UK

3rd Baronet died 2001

D

Tupper of Armdale	UK	5th Baronet died 2008	D
Vanneck of Putney	GB

7th Baronet died 1969

D

Verney of Eaton Square	UK

2nd Baronet died 1993

D

Vyvyan of Trelowarren	E

12th Baronet died 1995

D

Wake of Clevedon	E	14th Baronet died 2017	V
Wakeley of Liss	UK	2nd Baronet died 2012	V
Waller of Newport, Tipperary	I

9th Baronet died 2000

D

Walsham of Knill Court	UK

4th Baronet died 1992

D

Wardlaw of Pitreavie	S

20th Baronet died 1983

D

Warren of Warrenscourt	I	9th Baronet died 2006	D
Wells of Felmersham	UK

2nd Baronet died 1996

D

Whitmore of Orsett	UK	2nd Baronet died 2017	V

Wolseley of Mount Wolseley, County Carlow

I

12th Baronet died 1991

D

Wombwell of Wombwell	GB

6th Baronet died 1977

D

[Baronetcy Lady]

And here's the second part, as it seems to have cut off halfway through!

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Baronetcy Lady, many, many thanks!

Brooke

[colinp]

Sir Charles Greaves Stuart-Menteth, 7th Baronet of Closeburn is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage, 10 years after succeeding in 2008

[colinp]

Sir John Michael Waller, 10th Baronet of Newport, Tipperary (succ 2000) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage

[dpth...@gmail.com]

John, of Lasswade; m.Elizabeth Henderson

1.Sir John, of Lasswade, cr Baronet [S] 1629, d.May 1651; m.Magdalen Preston

1.1.John, d.1648; m.NN

1.1.1.Sir John, 2^nd Bt., d.ca 1680?; m.Elizabeth Dick

1.1.1.1.Sir John, 3^rd Bt., d.May 1681

1.1.1.2.Sir William, 4^th Bt., bur 29 Jan 1687; m.Elizabeth Trotter (d.28 Mar 1723)

1.1.1.2.1.Sir John, 5^th Bt., bur 30 Oct 1689

1.1.1.2.2.Sir Thomas, 6^th Bt., bur 8 Apr 1693

1.1.1.2.3.Sir James, 7^th Bt., d.May 1743; m.1^st 16 Dec 1721 Isabel Simpson; m.2^nd Elizabeth Carnegie (fl 1764); on his death the Baronetcy became dormant until claimed in 1826 by a cousin, who, however, was apparently not entitled to it:

 

Arthur Nicolson, d.1793; m.1752 Margaret Irvine; he is said to be descended from a younger brother of the father of the grantee, and thus was actually junior to the Nicolson of Carnock line

1.Arthur, d.May 1796; m.1^st Janet Bolt; m.2^nd Mary Innes

1.1.Sir Arthur, 8^th Bt. (1794-16 Sep 1863); m.27 Apr 1821 Eliza Jane Jack (d.26 Mar 1891); in 1826 he was served heir male to the 1^st Nicolson of Lasswade Baronet, and assumed the title; he is called 8^th Bt., but even if this claim were valid, there were people entitled to the title between 1743 and 1826

2.James, d.1825; m.1810 Katherine Ann Bennett

2.1.Sir Arthur Bolt, 9^th Bt. (6 Mar 1811-14 Jul 1879); m.1839 Margaret Bisset; he lived in Australia

2.1.1.Sir Arthur Thomas Bennett Robert, 10^th Bt. (1842-27 May 1917); m.14 Jul 1881 Annie Rutherford (d.1 Feb 1936); he seems to have returned to Scotland

2.1.1.1.Sir Arthur John Frederick William, 11^th Bt. (8 Jun 1882-25 Apr 1952); m.22 Apr 1927 (annulled 1930) Dolores Elaine Cubbon

2.1.1.2.Sir [Harold] Stanley, 12^th Bt. (22 Oct 1883-1961); m.1927 Jean Landles

2.1.1.3.Lionel Rutherford (22 Sep 1887-17 May 1957); m.1932 Kathleen Mary Moon

2.1.1.3.1.Anne (27 Mar 1939-    ); m.Miles Hansen (d.16 Nov 2010); she was listed in Debrett's, sub Nicolson of Lasswade, in its own separate entry, until at least the 2003 edition, but by the 2008 edition she had been moved to junior collateral of the Carnock line in the Carnock articlen

2.1.1.4.Eardley Willoughby (22 May 1896-27 May 1920)

2.1.1.5.Annie Vera Violet (24 Dec 1891-    ); m.1 Nov 1919 Richard Farrer Herschell, 2^nd Lord Herschell (22 May 1878-14 Oct 1929)

 

2.Sir Thomas, of Carnock, cr Baronet [S] 1637, with remainder to heirs male whatsoever, d.8 Jan 1646; m.Isabel Henderson

2.1.Sir Thomas, 2^nd Bt. (10 Jun 1628-24 Jul 1664); m.Lady Margaret Livingstone (d.1674)

2.1.1.Sir Thomas, 3^rd Bt. (15 Sep 1649-20 Jan 1670); m.by 1668 Hon. Jean Napier

2.1.1.1.Sir Thomas, 4^th Bt., suc maternal uncle 1683 as 4^th Lord Napier (14 Jan 1669-9 Jun 1686); on his death the peerage went to his maternal aunt, the Carnock estates to his paternal aunts, and the Baronetcy to his cousin, below

2.2.Sir Thomas, d.1683; m.Sabina Colyear

2.2.1.Sir Thomas, 5^th Bt., d.2 Jan 1699; m.NN

2.2.1.1.Sir George, 6^th Bt., should have suc 1743 as 8^th Bt. of the Lasswade Baronetcy, d.Oct 1771; m.Charlotte Halkett

2.2.1.1.1.Sir Walter Philip, 7^th [and 9^th] Bt., dspl 1786; m.Helen Frances Carpenter

2.2.1.1.2.Sir David, 8^th [and 10^th] Bt., d.19 Oct 1808

2.2.2.William, d.1720; m.NN

2.2.2.1.George, d.1769; m.Catharine Edmonstone

2.2.2.1.1.Sir William, 9^th [and 11^th] Bt. (1758-5 Aug 1820); m.5 Jul 1804 Mary Russell (d.20 Feb 1853)

2.2.2.1.1.1.Sir Frederick William Erskine, 10^th [and 12^th] Bt. (22 Apr 1815-29 Dec 1899); m.1^st 26 May 1847 Clementina Maria Marion Loch (d.17 Jul 1851); m.2^nd 1855 Mrs Augusta Sarah Hay, née Cullington (d.19 Apr 1861); m.3^rd 16 Aug 1867 Anne Crosse (d.8 Jan 1896)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.Sir Arthur, 11^th [and 13^th] Bt., cr 1905 Baron Carnock, of Carnock (19 Sep 1849-5 Nov 1928); m.20 Apr 1882 Mary Catharine Hamilton (d.23 Mar 1951)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.Frederick Archibald, 2^nd Lord Carnock (9 Jan 1883-3 May 1952)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.2.Erskine Arthur, 3^rd Lord Carnock (26 Mar 1884-2 Oct 1982); m.9 Oct 1919 Katherine Frederica Alberta Lopes (25 Sep 1892 24 Aug 1968)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.David Henry Arthur, 4^th Lord Carnock (10 Jul 1920-26 Dec 2008)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.3.Sir Harold George (21 Nov 1886-1 May 1968); m.1 Oct 1913 Hon. Victoria Mary Sackville-West (d.2 Jun 1962)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.3.1.Nigel (19 Jan 1917-23 Sep 2004); m.30 Jul 1953 (div 1970) Philippa Janet Tennyson d’Eyncourt (d.1987)

2.2.2.1.1.1.1.3.1.1.Adam, 5^th Lord Carnock, b.12 Sep 1957; m.1^st 11 Sep 1982 (divorce 1992) Olivia Mary Rokeby Fane (b.1960); m.2^nd 1993 Sarah Clare Raven

On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 at 8:33:42 AM UTC-6, sarac...@googlemail.com wrote:

Through my copies of 'BLG-the Kingdom of Scotland' and 'Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage,106th Edition',it states the present 4th Lord
Carnock,recog. Chief of Clan Nicolson holds both his own hereditary
Baronetcy of Carnock(cr.1637) as the 14th holder,as well as from 1984
successfully claiming the Baronetcy of Lasswade(cr.1629) as the 16th
holder on the basis he proves he was the nearest surviving male heir
as senior lineal descendant of the 1st Bt. of Carnock,younger bro. of
the 1st Bt. of Lasswade.Of the latter,I am unsure of its intervening
history from the Shetland-based holders down to the noted Sir Harold,
12th Bt.(d.1961);so who are or were the 13th-15th Bts,bearing in mind
the present Lord Carnock's father might have been classed as a DE JURE
and DE FACTO holder(1961-82), unless the numeration is being confused
with the Carnock one?

On the matter of the cited 'vacant' baronetcies such as Beaumont and
Blount,looking at their last printed Burke's genealogies,there is
slight optimism that claimants might eventually come
forward,especially as the 1st,2nd and father of the 4th Bt.Blount
seems to have had left ygr. sons with extant progeny,not including the
putative extant family of Bt.Blunt of London(cr.1720).The Beaumont
entry implied that the 6th and 9th Bts. might have had ygr. brothers
leaving lost issue.

On Jan 25, 1:07 am, "Darryl Lundy" <dar...@thepeerage.com> wrote:
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Sir Christopher Robert Carden, 5th Baronet of Molesey (UK 1887) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage - he succeeded to the baronetcy in 1993

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Sir James Andrew Gardiner BAIRD 11th Baronet (of Saughton Hall NS 1695) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage - quite a wait as he succeeded in 1997

On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 23:39:14 UTC, Leigh Rayment wrote:

I was pleasantly surprised a few days ago to receive a totally unsolicited email from Commander Perry Abbott, who is the Secretary to the Standing Council of the Baronetage. A copy of his email is attached below.

 

"Dear Mr Rayment,
 
Apart from my duties as Secretary of the Standing Council of the Baronetage, I am editor of the 2011 edition of the Official Roll of the Baronetage.  I have just completed a full review of all extant Baronetcies, with access to the master folios of the Roll held within the Crown Office.  This review has identified an increased number of Dormant Baronetcies (compared with the 2006 review), where no formal claim to a succession has been made within five years of the death of baronet who had 'proved' his succession and been placed on the Official Roll.  I attach a copy of the list which, as far as the Assistant Registrar of the Baronetage is concerned, is correct up to 31st December 2011.  I hope you find it useful.

 
The full Official Roll of the Baronets is currently with the printers and should be published within the next month or so.
 
Best wishes,
 
Perry Abbott
 
C P G Abbott OBE
Secretary, Standing Council of the Baronetage"

 

The list to which he refers is a word document which updates to 31/12/2011 the listing of unproved successions. The list currently shown on the Standing Council's website is only correct up to September 2008.

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Sir Hildebrand Harold Harmsworth, 3rd Baronet of Freshwater Grove (b 1931 s 1977) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage

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Sir (Walter) Gavin GILBEY 4th Baronet (UK 1893) of Elsenham Hall (b 1949 s 1991) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage

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Hon Sir David Robert Gilmour, 4th Baronet (of Liberton and Craigmillar, Midlothian - UK 1926) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage

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Sir Arthur Grey Hazlerigg, 3rd Baron Hazlerigg has been entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as 15th Baronet Hazlerigg of Noseley.  He succeeded in 2002.

As he is described on the Roll as 3rd Baron Hazerigg we can probably assume he has also proved his claim to the peerage and will be on the Roll of the Peerage when the next edition is published

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Sir James Martin Evelyn Lindsay is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as 3rd Baronet Lindsay of Dowhill.  He succeeded in 2004, slightly too early, I think, to be noticed by this Group

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Sir James Anselan Maxwell STRONGE is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as 10th Baronet Stronge of Tynan.  He succeeded in 1981 and there are no heirs to the baronetcy

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The 4th Baron Aberconway, Sir Henry Charles McLaren, has now been entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as the 4th Baronet McLaren of Bodnant, Gwylgre and Hilders.  He succeeded in 2003

He has lodged a petition with the House of Lords to go on the Register of Hereditary Peers  to stand as candidates in by-elections to the House

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Sir Johan Fredrik von Friesendorff has been entered on the Official Roll of the Baroentage as the 12th baronet von Friesendorff

I have posted this information here as I seem unable to reply to the post about his father's death despite many attempts -  von FRIESENDORFF, Baron Sir Rickard Fredrick Knut, 11th Bt (1937-?) (google.com)

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Sir Ronald Frederick Hamilton HAY (b 1941, succ 1988) is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as the 12th Baronet Hay of Alderston

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I meant to add that Sir Ronald Hay is also the 10th Jacobite Baronet Hay of Restalrig (cr 1766 by the Young Pretender)

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Sir Charles Alexander Maitland (b 1986, succ 1994) has now been entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as the 10th Baronet Maitland of Clifton

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Sir Henry Justin Wardlaw has been entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage as the 22nd Baronet Wardlaw of Pitreavie.  This baronetcy has not been on the Roll since the death of the 20th Baronet in 1983.