Re: Digest for paleo-libertarian@googlegroups.com - 5 Messages in 1 Topic

[Karen De Coster]

Joshua --

Lew's journey has been a stealth one, 'cept for his barefoot reveal. However, since enquiring minds want to know, I will be on the Lew Rockwell Show to talk about that topic (as well as a few other items) in September.

Karen A. De Coster, CPA
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:38 AM, <paleo-libert...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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Joshua Katz <jala...@gmail.com> Aug 16 06:14AM -0700 ^

 
I couldn't do a Facebook group, as I refuse to play the game with
those clowns. I used to have one and got rid of it a few years
back.
 
Lew must be doing low, slow cardio and eating low-fat; how else could
he possibly lose that much weight? ;-)
 


 

Joshua Katz <jala...@gmail.com> Aug 16 06:18AM -0700 ^

 
Neil, my experience is the same. I distinctly remember, back in the
AOL days, wandering into a bodybuilding chat room as a young
teenager. (You know, I wanted to look buff and everything. Why the
hell would I care about being strong?) There was some semi-
experienced bodybuilder there holding court. I mentioned that cutting
calories always made me look fat, and eating more fat always brought
out cuts. Her response was that I was an idiot.
 
However, it was recently pointed out to me that I'm a little freaky in
other ways too (not that way...well, that way too, but it's not my
point here.) For one thing, I've always read that it takes
approximately 3 days to get into ketosis. However, I can eat pizza
and ice cream for a week, then cut out carbs for about half a day, and
test purple or black on the strips. So, it seems that my body, more
than most, really works better on fat.
 


 

Joshua Katz <jala...@gmail.com> Aug 16 07:14AM -0700 ^

 
Very interesting article, and great discussion in the comments. I
have a few thoughts. First, disproving a particular hypothesis
regarding how carbs cause obesity does not strike a death blow against
the idea. Here are a few more undeveloped thoughts:
1. Maybe low-carb/paleo diets aren't about eating low carb at all.
Maybe it's really about eating high-fat, adequate protein. How can
this be? Well, it could theoretically be a simple satiation/calorie
restriction thing, but as Toban knows, I took pains during my recent
"paleo challenge" to maintain caloric intake (since part of the
contest involved performance on strength tasks) and still lost 20
pounds. However, what if it's about the things that are in fat-rich
foods, whether it's fat-soluble vitamins, EFAs, or something else as
yet undiscussed? Maybe these nutrients are necessary to actually turn
food/flab into energy, and not getting enough of them results in
eating plenty of calories, but still feeling worn out, pained (what is
fibromyalgia, anyway), and so forth, then being unable to burn off
those calories, and so accumulating fat.
2. Processed food and additives. One hypothesis I kick around in my
brain is that food additives are so toxic that the body cannot deal
with them, or even eliminate them at fast enough rates, and so it
needs to store them in ways that are less dangerous - i.e. build more
fat and store them there. I know, I know, thermodynamics - but yes,
the brain has ways to increase fat stores. It can simply make you
tired and unable to move and work out, tell you to eat more carbs, or
whatever, get the caloric surplus, then release appropriate hormones.
One thing that makes this stand out to me is spending time with the
Amish, who are overall pretty skinny (not like a Crossfitter, but not
like an American either) and eat carbs, etc. but nothing processed or
with additives.
3. Autoimmune and inflammation issues. Considering the standard
omega3-6 balance on the SAD, it's reasonable that people have a ton of
autoimmune issues going on. Maybe this can contribute.
4. The government - I had an interesting thought the other day. What
if none of this is a side effect of their policies? Isn't it a great
way to keep people on the couch and out of the streets (with torches
and pitchforks) if they're fat, miserable, and can't move? We've
reduced our healthy population to a small enough minority that they
can be enticed into government jobs (cops, soldiers, FBI, etc.) and
leave us without the physical ability to resist.
 
 


 

Toban Wiebe <tob...@gmail.com> Aug 16 05:15PM -0500 ^

 
Facebook is undeniably a good platform, and we could have a private group.
Google+ doesn't have groups yet. Perhaps something like
BuddyPress<http://buddypress.org/>could work. It's a social network
platform that can be installed on a
wordpress site.
 
I think Stephan is definitely onto something with the food reward
hypothesis. But I don't think his and Taubes's theories are mutually
exclusive. They could both be true; perhaps obesity has several different
causes. I'm hoping Taubes will write a response, I'm curious as to what
he'll concede and what he'll challenge.
 


 

Mary H <mary...@gmail.com> Aug 16 08:37PM -0700 ^

 
low carb perhaps?
 


 

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