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Joyce Ogburn

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Says there are  56,726 journals in existence

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Laurie Goodman

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May 9, 2018, 11:30:32 AM5/9/18
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Wow- wonder how many of those are OA. Certainly that many journals can't be afloat under subscription.

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Alexander Garcia Castro

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May 9, 2018, 11:34:33 AM5/9/18
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I understand the importance of OA but as a researcher for me it is more important to know how many of all those journals do care about reproducibility of the research they publish -yes, reproducibility is related to the quality of science and I pay first for quality. how many of those journals have a significant innovative publication model beyond the pdf and simple static html, how many of those journals capture the experimental life cycle, etc. I mean, OA is important but hardly paramount. 

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 5:30 PM Laurie Goodman <lau...@gigasciencejournal.com> wrote:
Wow- wonder how many of those are OA. Certainly that many journals can't be afloat under subscription.

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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Joyce Ogburn <ogbu...@appstate.edu> wrote:

Says there are  56,726 journals in existence

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Laurie Goodman

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May 9, 2018, 12:01:42 PM5/9/18
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Oh, I'm totally agreed with that. I was looking at it from the standpoint of all the business models- and how that overall impacts  researchers with regard to costs of publishing across the board from the APCs.

I totally believe the PDF delivery system as a journal is quite antiquated (hopefully the changes we're trying to make at GigaScience show that). But, I also have serious concerns about the costs to researchers here. I think APCs are way too high in many many cases for what researchers get in return (especially if it is just a PDF delivery system without care of quality.) Once for researchers it was "I can't read the journals"- and now it's "I can't submit to journals".

Oh, related to costs- Spinger-Nature have pulled back their bid for an IPO.

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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Alexander Garcia Castro <alexg...@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand the importance of OA but as a researcher for me it is more important to know how many of all those journals do care about reproducibility of the research they publish -yes, reproducibility is related to the quality of science and I pay first for quality. how many of those journals have a significant innovative publication model beyond the pdf and simple static html, how many of those journals capture the experimental life cycle, etc. I mean, OA is important but hardly paramount. 
On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 5:30 PM Laurie Goodman <lau...@gigasciencejournal.com> wrote:
Wow- wonder how many of those are OA. Certainly that many journals can't be afloat under subscription.

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Laurie Goodman, PhD Editor-in-Chief, GigaScience. ORCID

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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Joyce Ogburn <ogbu...@appstate.edu> wrote:

Says there are  56,726 journals in existence

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Glenn Hampson

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May 9, 2018, 3:00:23 PM5/9/18
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There are about half this number when you filter for refereed and active journals published in English (according to Mark Ware and others). I’m not aware of any other type of count---interesting if true. Considering the rest of the content in this article, though, I don’t know….lots of misinformation, the same tired plot and cast (Elsevier as the villain, SciHub as Robin Hood, copyright as the great injustice), the same solution (access is a problem—the only solution is revolt). Unfortunately, this loud and simplistic kind of narrative commands headlines in today’s world.

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Joyce Ogburn

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May 9, 2018, 3:13:15 PM5/9/18
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Why are we only counting English? Joyce


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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

There are about half this number when you filter for refereed and active journals published in English (according to Mark Ware and others). I’m not aware of any other type of count---interesting if true. Considering the rest of the content in this article, though, I don’t know….lots of misinformation, the same tired plot and cast (Elsevier as the villain, SciHub as Robin Hood, copyright as the great injustice), the same solution (access is a problem—the only solution is revolt). Unfortunately, this loud and simplistic kind of narrative commands headlines in today’s world.

 

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Says there are  56,726 journals in existence

 

Joyce

 

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David Wojick

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May 9, 2018, 3:58:50 PM5/9/18
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The context makes it sound like a Crossref number, or else it comes out of thin air.

The concept of a journal is too vague to support that kind of precision in any case. Nor is there any way to find and count them all. I seem to recall someone who claimed to have a list of 35,000 free journals awhile back. No subscription and no APC. Anyone else see that? Then too we have the 10,000 to 20,000 Beall's list journals, many of which probably have some sort of review, but who knows. Then there are the myriad regional non-English journals. This is really all unchartered territory.

Posting a number like that is shaky journalism.

David

At 03:00 PM 5/9/2018, Glenn Hampson wrote:
There are about half this number when you filter for refereed and active journals published in English (according to Mark Ware and others). I’m not aware of any other type of count---interesting if true. Considering the rest of the content in this article, though, I don’t know….lots of misinformation, the same tiired plot and cast (Elsevier as the villain, SciHub as Robin Hood, copyright as the great injustice), the same solution (access is a problem—thhe only solution is revolt). Unfortunately, this loud and simplistic kind of narrative commands headlines in today’s world.

Glenn Hampson

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May 9, 2018, 4:35:16 PM5/9/18
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I don’t know Joyce. The short answer might be that most academic journals are published in English (certainly not all). I’m attaching a graphic that’s a little dated (five years, which can be an eternity with these numbers) but still maybe helpful (and still hopefully somewhat accurate!). From the second paragraph: “Some have observed that the rapid growth of publishing in China suggests that Chinese will become the lingua franca of science. Others note that English continues to grow as the primary language of science when measured in terms of the science citation index. In 2000, 96% of the nearly one million documents in this index were in English. When simply calculating the percent of the English language journals appearing in the latest count from Ulrich's, the result is 25,531 out of 30,796, or 83 percent.” But if we’ve been systematically undercounting because of language barriers/bias, then the 30k-ish number we’ve all been batting around is way off.

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2013-publishers.pdf

David Wojick

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May 9, 2018, 4:42:38 PM5/9/18
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Isn't the science citation index based on English language journals?

David
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Joyce Ogburn

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May 9, 2018, 4:46:55 PM5/9/18
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Since we are global and encouraging global participation perhaps we should look for a more inclusive number. I have no suggestions how to do this but we might aspire to this. 

Joyce

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Carlos Henrique de Brito Cruz

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May 9, 2018, 5:00:29 PM5/9/18
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Hello David, Glenn, OSI colleagues:

 

The Science Citation Index grew to be the Web of Science (a service offered by Clarivate Analytics). The Web of Science (WoS) includes:

 

  1. Web of Science core collection:

1.1.   Science Citation Index Expanded (SCI-EXPANDED) --1945-present

1.2.   Social Sciences Citation Index (SSCI) --1956-present

1.3.   Arts & Humanities Citation Index (A&HCI) --1975-present

1.4.   Emerging Sources Citation Index (ESCI) --2015-present

  1. Other sources:

2.1.   Derwent Innovations Index

2.2.   KCI-Korean Journal Database

2.3.   Russian Science Citation Index

2.4.   SciELO Citation Index

 

As you see by the names, the  collection includes publications from several languages. If you consult all publications for the year 2017, the idiom distribution is shown in the table below.

 

Languages

records

ENGLISH

5282892

KOREAN

76054

SPANISH

50553

RUSSIAN

44755

GERMAN

25215

PORTUGUESE

21792

FRENCH

20480

CHINESE

8728

ITALIAN

5876

UNSPECIFIED

2890

TURKISH

2851

POLISH

1960

JAPANESE

1946

CROATIAN

1565

CZECH

1227

NORWEGIAN

1097

DUTCH

680

SLOVAK

526

HUNGARIAN

505

ARABIC

395

SLOVENIAN

341

CATALAN

336

UKRAINIAN

286

SERBIAN

283

MALAY

249

AFRIKAANS

230

SWEDISH

215

PERSIAN

196

LITHUANIAN

180

INDONESIAN

136

ROMANIAN

130

GREEK

110

ICELANDIC

103

ESTONIAN

92

THAI

72

SERBO CROATIAN

61

BULGARIAN

44

GALICIAN

36

LATIN

20

DANISH

16

FINNISH

14

WELSH

12

MONGOLIAN

10

VIETNAMESE

5

LATVIAN

4

GEORGIAN

3

ALBANIAN

1

BENGALI

1

HEBREW

1

HINDI

1

MALAGASY

1

SWAHILI

1

 

If you consider only the Science Citation Index the total number is much smaller (350 thousand, approxim.), but still there are items in several languages.

 

Best

 

Brito

 

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David Wojick

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May 9, 2018, 5:01:34 PM5/9/18
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We are talking about the whole ocean of knowledge.

Based on my work on the WorldWideScience.org portal, most (or every) major country has a national archive of some national language journal articles. I am pretty sure that each country has lots of national language journals. Some of these document databases are listed here: https://worldwidescience.org/indextextWWS.org features local language translation search on these archives.

The WWS.org people might even have journal count numbers.

David

Glenn Hampson

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May 9, 2018, 5:08:42 PM5/9/18
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Thanks Brito!---so yes, that’s about the same proportion: 95% of 5.5. million records are in English. Can you do a count for publishers while you’re in there? 😊 (and filter for active and refereed)

David Wojick

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May 9, 2018, 5:43:43 PM5/9/18
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Right, but I am sure this in no way reflects the global picture. Several countries have complained bitterly about this English language bias in WOS, most notably Brazil.

Scopus and Google Scholar are also mostly English language I think.  WWS.org may well be the most global, but it is just a searchable federation.

David
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