I have been searching for this for many years, and made some attempt to built it.--For every project posted on here, it seems clear to me that there is far more right around the corner. Including actually finishing or doing a good job on whatever is mentioned. Because let's face it, a lot of our projects are not finished, or the very limited amount of labor time going in really shows.Open source ecology is the only thing that seems to have been even trying to do this. But not any more. They have gone down a different road, focused on holding workshops a free times a year, while the buildings and equipment sit idle.There was an initiative back in 2013 to start what the founders called an open source r&d factory. It was also a spinoff of ose. In previous history, ose had been intending to become a virally replicable 200 person village of basically people doing development work, for things directly needed, like housing etc. And building, to deploy and pout straight to work that development effort.The big picture of such a village is really just people doing what they always do, but with a much higher level of knowledge and skill, especially I the technological domains, collaboration, and with a certain emphasis on directly meeting needs rather than trying to engage in so much market trade, with focus on these things stemming from essentially just more and broader understanding of what is going on in society and how things work. Market trade, in reality mostly ends up being doing what the rich people tell us to do, then paying all the money back to them for half assed approximations of what we actually need. Grossly, severely inefficient, thereby squandering the power that technology and the built equipment base gives us in other ways.Many people have announced or tried to start satellites of ose. Almost all failed. I went to one project, open land lab, but they are no good. The guy is the manager of a fab lab, that's where his enthusiasm is from. But he is really not doing anything.There is a project called reset society.There is one called one community, but they seem to lack explicit interest in really embracing technological development, which is critical because the technology we have is not suitable for our purposes in many ways, to effectively implement a village with small scale manufacturing, for instance.There are various attempts at hack bases which have some tangential application. But not much really. Same deal with maker labs.If I am to ever be a part of such a thing, it looks like I am going to have to build it myself. And it seems to me like most of the most interesting projects are not going to get anywhere without it.
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It's not so much leadership as doing, to me, though. There had to be people on the ground, with a building or buildings, and tools, doing stuff to develop open physical hardware.
There is sensorica... A very little bit. Ose a very little bit. Thanks for mentioning wevolver, I will check that out.
Like you say, there is a lot of actual engineering to do. Funding is also a barrier, but it's sort of a sub problem.
If I could go join the war somewhere, I totally would have a long time ago. There is nothing. I have been to sensorica, it is much too small to try to make your job. Arg.
I'm know there are a great many people like me, willing and able to get this shit really going, but our time is all squandered instead. I know several of them, including people I met at ose, friends, and my own brother.
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Hello Nathan and Anthony,
I don’t communicate as much here as I would like, but I’m prompted to comment in this thread on “Nothing happening …”.
As noted by many, there are differing perspectives and goals within the area of open hardware. With our “Handibot” project we have been committed to open source software, open source electronics, and open source hardware (beyond the electronics) – but we are trying to do it within the framework of a financially sustainable manufacturing operation.
I’m thinking that one of the interests in this thread is in tools for doing open source hardware or identifying site-resources-networks for promoting open source hardware. We are a little different because we are just trying to do it, and at the moment not worrying about the rest of the world. Here is a link to why we are trying to do it and how we see open manufacturing and the importance of digital fabrication to making it happen:
With a few exceptions, most activity in open source hardware is in open source electronic hardware. There are far fewer efforts in making general things for which the design and making are shared openly using digital technologies (OpenROV and Lasersaur being the two exceptions that come to mind).
We’ve been working on our Handibot project for years now. We have done some things well, some things not so well. Lots of frustrations – and, of course, we have learned a lot. In particular, we’ve not done as well at inspiring an open source development community as we hoped:
https://handibot.com/open-source.php#open_innovation
This is partly our fault for not making enough effort. But the reality is that it takes a lot of work and resources just to get a product out the door. There is often not enough energy left to encourage and promote further engagement beyond providing good customer support. And, we have found the outside interest in the open source aspect of our project to be very limited. That may be simply because the community is not large enough to have a critical mass of those who get enthusiastic about development.
Other issues have to do with the difficulty of creating compelling participatory environments. This takes effort and resources that even well-principled companies have difficulty sustaining it – particularly in the absence of interest. And, obviously, it is self-defeating not to be working at it because good documentation, support for on-boarding, and straightforward software tools are what help drive interest.
I have hopes for OSHWA in all this. But for us, the organization has not been particularly helpful. First there is the problem that we are not hardware in the electronic-hardware sense, and second, there seems to be a discrimination against “commercial” open source hardware; there being limited interest in the challenge of making open manufacturing actually work.
We do continue to plow along at it. Here’s a current
argument for this type of digital manufacturing:
https://medium.com/@tedhall.shopbot/eating-our-own-dogfood-or-is-this-just-shameless-promotion-d370589eb129
I, disappointingly, don’t have much to report on “distributed manufacturing” yet because we just haven’t gotten to the volume where a second or third production site would be financially sustainable. Hopefully we’ll get there at some point and begin to explore how this aspect of open mfg can work.
Thus, in terms of the challenge raised by the title of the thread, as they say, hardware is hard and energizing the “open” part of open manufacturing is even harder.
The world has made heroes of “makers” who manage to get their hardware projects VC-funded and shipped to China to be made by someone else. I’m all for doing some manufacturing ourselves in our communities. But the momentum is developing only slowly …
Regards,
Ted Hall
Handibot/ShopBot
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This brings up an interesting point; how open manufacturing is connecting to the arts scene. I think this has always been around but became more apparent with the rise of Burning Man which has often served as a testing ground for digital fabrication and new open source architecture. (as was the case with Vinay Gupta's Hexapod) Digital fabrication has been a boon to contemporary artists.In Santa Fe a maker community has sprung up around an avant garde arts project called [Meow Wolf](https://meowwolf.com/) that was sponsored by writer George RR Martin. It created the first makerspace in the city, right in the same building as the Meow Wolf exhibit and setup for its creation, which then later moved to an independent facility, creating MAKE Santa Fe, a youth maker program, and a custom CNC shop called [Extraordinary Structures](https://extraordinarystructures.com/) that got a little notoriety for building a Tiny House demo deriving from WikiHouse. Santa Fe has generally been known as a fine arts nexus with many galleries concentrated around the more upper-class north-eastern portions of the city, but largely focused on traditional southwestern and native art styles suiting an older clientele of wealthy retirees and tourists. In recent years the once abandoned but recently revived (thanks to the establishment of the Railrunner commuter train) railyard part of the city became an avant garde arts hub attracting younger gentrification refugees from the west coast, resulting in a flurry of contemporary style building construction in a town that once demanded everything be made in the adobe pueblo style.
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I'm actually significantly perplexed at how little activity there is. It's the same on fab lab forums.
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I have been searching for this for many years, and made some attempt to built it.--For every project posted on here, it seems clear to me that there is far more right around the corner. Including actually finishing or doing a good job on whatever is mentioned. Because let's face it, a lot of our projects are not finished, or the very limited amount of labor time going in really shows.Open source ecology is the only thing that seems to have been even trying to do this. But not any more. They have gone down a different road, focused on holding workshops a free times a year, while the buildings and equipment sit idle.There was an initiative back in 2013 to start what the founders called an open source r&d factory. It was also a spinoff of ose. In previous history, ose had been intending to become a virally replicable 200 person village of basically people doing development work, for things directly needed, like housing etc. And building, to deploy and pout straight to work that development effort.The big picture of such a village is really just people doing what they always do, but with a much higher level of knowledge and skill, especially I the technological domains, collaboration, and with a certain emphasis on directly meeting needs rather than trying to engage in so much market trade, with focus on these things stemming from essentially just more and broader understanding of what is going on in society and how things work. Market trade, in reality mostly ends up being doing what the rich people tell us to do, then paying all the money back to them for half assed approximations of what we actually need. Grossly, severely inefficient, thereby squandering the power that technology and the built equipment base gives us in other ways.Many people have announced or tried to start satellites of ose. Almost all failed. I went to one project, open land lab, but they are no good. The guy is the manager of a fab lab, that's where his enthusiasm is from. But he is really not doing anything.There is a project called reset society.There is one called one community, but they seem to lack explicit interest in really embracing technological development, which is critical because the technology we have is not suitable for our purposes in many ways, to effectively implement a village with small scale manufacturing, for instance.There are various attempts at hack bases which have some tangential application. But not much really. Same deal with maker labs.If I am to ever be a part of such a thing, it looks like I am going to have to build it myself. And it seems to me like most of the most interesting projects are not going to get anywhere without it.
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