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Although there is always concern that is valid enough, that when you proceed to do something so ambitious, you of course realize why engineering firms tend to focus on what appear to be more humble things. Its hard.
At the same time, there are enabling factors. It's a different ball game in many ways, because while the stuff does have to actually perform, we are trying to do things that are in many ways easier than a typical firm.
It's a more direct application of science and engineering, and techniques, I guess.
Trying to do what wealthy "clients" tell us, then give the money back to them to try to get what we really need, is deeply inefficient. A large fraction of the time what we really need is not even on the market. When it is it may easily be a hundred timed what it should cost.
A lot of us engineering types see in our lives ways to get stuff done that really is not that complicated or hard. But if we proceed to try to do it, you see the barriers we promptly run into. Very basic stuff, just having a place to work or tools or materials that we know all about but you couldn't but for love or money anywhere in a whole city. Or a couple hours of real peace here and there.
Also, there is this middle ground, it's not trivial to make stuff that really works. A lot of enthusiasts seem to think it is. But engineering firms really spend a large fraction of their time on stuff we don't have much need for in this context. When you have freedom, options etc. the ways forward really open up, I believe. We can apply what we know and use what there is a hundred times better. We do need better tools, too, though, like a nice mold sdm system or better 3d printers. Engineering has always been about developing the upstream tools, too.
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I have been searching for this for many years, and made some attempt to built it.For every project posted on here, it seems clear to me that there is far more right around the corner. Including actually finishing or doing a good job on whatever is mentioned. Because let's face it, a lot of our projects are not finished, or the very limited amount of labor time going in really shows.Open source ecology is the only thing that seems to have been even trying to do this. But not any more. They have gone down a different road, focused on holding workshops a free times a year, while the buildings and equipment sit idle.There was an initiative back in 2013 to start what the founders called an open source r&d factory. It was also a spinoff of ose. In previous history, ose had been intending to become a virally replicable 200 person village of basically people doing development work, for things directly needed, like housing etc. And building, to deploy and pout straight to work that development effort.The big picture of such a village is really just people doing what they always do, but with a much higher level of knowledge and skill, especially I the technological domains, collaboration, and with a certain emphasis on directly meeting needs rather than trying to engage in so much market trade, with focus on these things stemming from essentially just more and broader understanding of what is going on in society and how things work. Market trade, in reality mostly ends up being doing what the rich people tell us to do, then paying all the money back to them for half assed approximations of what we actually need. Grossly, severely inefficient, thereby squandering the power that technology and the built equipment base gives us in other ways.Many people have announced or tried to start satellites of ose. Almost all failed. I went to one project, open land lab, but they are no good. The guy is the manager of a fab lab, that's where his enthusiasm is from. But he is really not doing anything.There is a project called reset society.There is one called one community, but they seem to lack explicit interest in really embracing technological development, which is critical because the technology we have is not suitable for our purposes in many ways, to effectively implement a village with small scale manufacturing, for instance.There are various attempts at hack bases which have some tangential application. But not much really. Same deal with maker labs.If I am to ever be a part of such a thing, it looks like I am going to have to build it myself. And it seems to me like most of the most interesting projects are not going to get anywhere without it.
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>> the financial system doesn't have any way to capitalize commons based enterprise
There is patreon, and crowdfunding in general is developed to some degree. Ose makes use of the so called true fans model, again basically subscribers. They got about $4000 a month from that as of 2014.
It sounds like you are talking mostly about bolus startup capital.Fundamentally, when I look at the satellite map or go driving around, though, that land is owned by other working people, largely. And also almost entirely unused, in rural areas or even lower density areas of the city.
We the people do actually have the capital, too do what we really need to do, is what I mean. People just are not using it at all. The land sits vacant, fallow, unused. The equipment sits there. As at ose right now, three must be a million or two bucks of welding equipment, buildings etc. sitting there.
Secondly, the ultimate bottom line is that this is all deeply political. What we want is inherently the opposite of what the wealthy class, which controls the financial capital, wants. They are not going to be doing much any time soon to solve this lack of capital problem for us. It's part of how they control us. Although there are some subversives among them like the shuttleworth people.
In seeing money as only one part of larger scale collaborative methods, I don't see it as as much of a barrier as most people do. The challenge is how to align incentives, make people empowered and understand things about how the world works, and proceed to action. We in the tech community especially are not so hard up and hand to mouth we can't do higher level longer term things like this once we understand which way to go. People spend vast amounts of time and effort on stuff like burning man. If we talk about things, come to a real worthwhile vision, there is a solid amount of capital in our own pockets already to get this party started. We don't need the bankers permission, and we cannot realistically expect to get it very often either.