Global wraming is so bad...
Yer Pal Al
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
evidence of rising global temperatures.
Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
that currently, down from 47% last year.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
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"Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
revolved around the earth.
Alex DeLarge
erectile dysfunction and were a slumlord...
Bill Shatzer
Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
peace and justice,
Alex DeLarge
> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
flybd5
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> >news:8366d07a-3a06-4e41...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
> >> The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
> >> the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
> >> cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
> >> evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
> >> over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
> >> evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
> >> Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
> >> proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
> >> result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
> >> that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
> >>http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> > At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> > revolved around the earth.
>
> At one time 99% of the readers here didn't know you suffered from
> erectile dysfunction and were a slumlord...
But 100% of the people here know you're a dipshit imbecile who fancies
himself a movie reviewer. LOL!
flybd5
This isn't NASCAR, dimwit. Science doesn't operate on the concept of
watching cars make left turns all day long and having a few braindead
people say it's a sport.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/02/kilimanjaro.glaciers/index.html
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8366d07a-3a06-4e41...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
> > The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
> > the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
> > cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
> > evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
> > over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
> > evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
> > Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
> > proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
> > result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
> > that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
> >http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> revolved around the earth.
As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
and it revolved around the sun.
This article says that "In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
evidence of rising global temperatures." and 57% today despite Kyoto,
Copenhagen, Al Gore and his host of human tools who follow his new-
found religion.
Yer Pal Al
Science is often proceded by a popular vote. You have the reverend
Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
us agree.
flybd5
>
> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
> You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
> Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
> us agree.
And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?
Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...
"Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
than normal summer in parts of the United States."
In other words, it's bullshit. :)
Alex DeLarge
Do they know you are a vile Jew-hater here Osito?
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> On Nov 2, 2:32 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>>
>> The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
>> the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
>> cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
>> evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
>> over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
>> evidence of rising global temperatures.
>>
>> Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
>> proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
>> result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
>> that currently, down from 47% last year.
>>
>> http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> This isn't NASCAR, dimwit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.
Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes
William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.
Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.
There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.
It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.
It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.
Negative feedback
The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.
Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.
Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.
Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.
No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.
Alex DeLarge
> On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
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On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
>> revolved around the earth.
>
>As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
>and it revolved around the sun.
The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
able to measure accurately.
You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?
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On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>
>Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
Nope. Not even a little.
>You have the reverend
>Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>right. Then science has stepped in
NO!
> and skeptics have pointed out that
>Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
>electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
>invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit."
What you're describing has nothing to do with science and everything to do
with Politics and Demagoguery.
>Now only 47% of
>us agree.
No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
SMITH29
Now you want to hammer big Al for using electricity?
Then we need to stop the idea of developing the electric car.
Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?
Shut down aircraft manufacture?
You want us living in the dark and walking?
I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.
29
Yer Pal Al
That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
was driving.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
Yer Pal Al
> On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
isn't a lot you can do without money.
> > You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> > as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> > right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
> > Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> > electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> > invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
> > us agree.
>
> And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?
Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
the link? Of course you have my support for excluding yourself from
that group.
> Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
> buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...
>
> "Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
> emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
> possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
> than normal summer in parts of the United States."
>
> In other words, it's bullshit. :)
It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in
October.
http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/10/28/huge-denver-snow-storm-blasts-mountain-area/
Yer Pal Al
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:79a9bed3-fa61-4da6...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> >> revolved around the earth.
>
> >As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
> >and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
> able to measure accurately.
You are saying that people couldn't see ships going over the horizon
back then?
> You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?
I know the concept that you've lost so then you say something like
that because you've run out of argument. Heaven forbid you try to
explain yourself and get bloodied again.
SMITH29
You knuckle dragger's stop at tiddlywinks, daisy chains and lawn darts.
You don't see NASCAR fans criticizing your fudge sports.
Can't you just shut your pie hole and live and let live?
And no, I'm not a NASCAR fan.
29 :-)
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:23b521ed-ea41-48fc...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>
> >Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> Nope. Not even a little.
Let's use the flat earth analogy again and say that 70% of the people
in that age believed the earth was flat. What was that? It wasn't
science. Maybe there was some goofball scientist somewhere you proved
the earth was flat. But not all of those people did the science.
> >You have the reverend
> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> NO!
Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
> > and skeptics have pointed out that
> >Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> >electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> >invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit."
>
> What you're describing has nothing to do with science and everything to do
> with Politics and Demagoguery.
Throw in trucks of money and generous helping of hypocrisy and that's
Al Gore. You are right. He isn't a scientist. If he had an infatuation
with the internal combustion engine he'd find some goofball scientific
"facts" and he'd be selling negative carbon credits.
> >Now only 47% of
> >us agree.
>
> No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
I bet you couldn't make a living selling a time machines on eBay.
Sanders Kaufman
news:YeqdnaazeIr_7XLX...@posted.pcez...
> No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Tell that to the people at Enron who bet their life savings that we'd never
beat the Dark Side.
They thought we were too stupid to catch them, and that even if we did,
they'd still keep all that money.
They were wrong on both counts.
flybd5
>
> Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
> recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
>
> These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
> the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
> times in the past.
Never in documented history or fossil records at the rate of change we
are seeing now. Sit down and suck on that lollipop.
flybd5
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> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> >> revolved around the earth.
>
> >As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
> >and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
> able to measure accurately.
>
> You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?
You really expect the trolls to understand that? Wishful thinking. :)
flybd5
Only a dimwit like you would post an idiotic comeback like that. LOL!
Yer Pal Al
An all-electric car is net polluter if we don't have a lot of clean
(er) energy like nuclear. I don't care if the captain of the Donut
Club uses TWH for colon stimulization. It's his hyporcrisy that
identifies his true motivation.
> Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?
Don't you think that it's hypocritic of him to take a private jet then
speak out against carbon?
> Shut down aircraft manufacture?
It might all get moved to red states.
> You want us living in the dark and walking?
Al Gore wants us in ox carts.
> I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.
I want to lead us into financial responsibility, health care reform
that makes sense and a military that funded to kick butt.
flybd5
>
> > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
> BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
> isn't a lot you can do without money.
Wrong. It's called pure science, the kind you neanderthals keep
bashing because you think it has no value.
> Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
> the link?
Yes, they specifically talk about all six of you. LOL!
> It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in October.
Pull your hair out of that one-inch forehead and look at Boston.
That's why anecdotal evidence is worth about as much as Limpbaugh's
IQ.
Milt Bradley
some Democrat Congressman in a restroom.
flybd5
> nothing.
Casto, go play with yourself over there in corner. Here, have some
knives. LOL!
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On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>> >You have the reverend
>> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>> >right. Then science has stepped in
>>
>> NO!
>
>Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
"Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is
real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority of
"scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed by
Oil or Coal interests.
God's Debris
I put him in my kill file and had it delete his messages, 975 turd
droppings disappeared.
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
> Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
> was driving.
> http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
From -your- cited article:
"The scientists say that other declining glaciers, like the South
Cascade Glacier in Washington, would be a better poster child for the
plight of glaciers in a warming world, which are indeed diminishing
overall as a result of climate change. It's just that Kilimanjaro is one
exception to the trend. Government photographs taken from 1928 to 2000
have shown that the South Cascade Glacier lost half its mass in that time.
�'There are dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of mid-latitude glaciers
you could show where there is absolutely no question that they are
declining in response to the warming atmosphere,' Mote said."
Climate change remains very real, regardless of what might be occuring
on Kilimanjaro.
http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/public/images/investigations/kilimanjaro/graphics/image04.jpg
peace and justice,
SMITH29
Butt, he's a Democrat. That's what they do.
>
>> Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?
>
> Don't you think that it's hypocritic of him to take a private jet then
> speak out against carbon?
Not at all.
Like, church teaches us not to war.
>
>> Shut down aircraft manufacture?
>
> It might all get moved to red states.
No " might " to that one. It's a done deal.
>
>> You want us living in the dark and walking?
>
> Al Gore wants us in ox carts.
Well, he's a Democrat.
>
>> I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.
>
> I want to lead us into financial responsibility, health care reform
> that makes sense and a military that funded to kick butt.
Dream on man, it's all we gots.
29
Yer Pal Al
You can't respond to it. Glacier ice has been retreating on
Kilimanjaro for 100 years and you think it's man-made global warming.
Yer Pal Al
> On Nov 2, 7:45 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
> > BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
> > isn't a lot you can do without money.
>
> Wrong. It's called pure science,
Paid for by special interest groups.
> the kind you neanderthals keep
> bashing because you think it has no value.
If someone wants to study the atmosphere and someone will pay them for
it, fine. It's the ox-cart lust with the exemption of China and India
that's the real problem which exposes the true agenda.
> > Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
> > the link?
>
> Yes, they specifically talk about all six of you. LOL!
I do appreciate you usingthe word "you" as in Americans. It's nice to
know you aren't one of us. I have to remember that you have no
comprehension of a trillion so 6 v. 1500 - that's probably the best I
can hope from you.
> > It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in October.
>
> Pull your hair out of that one-inch forehead and look at Boston.
Tuesday's overnight is going to be 34. Is this evidence of global
warming?
> That's why anecdotal evidence is worth about as much as Limpbaugh's
> IQ.
Do you mean Rush "$400M Contract" Limbaugh?
In your life a Bud Light is livin' so life in your hovel isn't so bad
if you can imagine you're smart.
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:2e3cb715-5e37-4374...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >> >You have the reverend
> >> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> >> NO!
>
> >Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW.
It's reversing the opinions of global warming.
> The overwhelming majority of
> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is
> real and is caused by human activity.
What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.
Yer Pal Al
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
> > Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
> > was driving.
> >http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
>
> From -your- cited article:
>
> "The scientists say that other declining glaciers, like the South
> Cascade Glacier in Washington, would be a better poster child for the
> plight of glaciers in a warming world, which are indeed diminishing
> overall as a result of climate change. It's just that Kilimanjaro is one
> exception to the trend. Government photographs taken from 1928 to 2000
> have shown that the South Cascade Glacier lost half its mass in that time.
And the Laurentide Ice Sheet has lost 99.9% of its mass in the last
20,000 years.
It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
warming.
> “'There are dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of mid-latitude glaciers
> you could show where there is absolutely no question that they are
> declining in response to the warming atmosphere,' Mote said."
>
> Climate change remains very real, regardless of what might be occuring
> on Kilimanjaro.
>
> http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/public/images/investigations/kilimanjaro...
If you believe that trade in your snowmobile and parka for a bikini
and surf board.
Barack Hussein Bohica
<caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
>The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
>the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
>cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
>evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
>over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
>evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
>Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
>proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
>result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
>that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
>http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
You can tell the Earth is getting cooler - just watch the Gorebal
Warmers sweat!
Barack Hussein Bohica
<caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 5:59�pm, flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 7:45�pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>>
>> > BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
>> > isn't a lot you can do without money.
>>
>> Wrong. It's called pure science,
>
>Paid for by special interest groups.
>
>> the kind you neanderthals keep
>> bashing because you think it has no value.
>
>If someone wants to study the atmosphere and someone will pay them for
>it, fine. It's the ox-cart lust with the exemption of China and India
>that's the real problem which exposes the true agenda.
The moonbats think China is cleaner than the US. Show them:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/?2009296-1023/China.A2009296.0500.2km.jpg
Air so fresh you could chew it...
Barack Hussein Bohica
More like ten thousand years... (or its last eruption)
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You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
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>It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>warming.
And who was doing that? Be specific.
Alex DeLarge
Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.
Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes
William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.
Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.
There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.
It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.
It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.
Negative feedback
The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.
Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.
Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.
Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.
No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 7:43 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>> The overwhelming majority of
>>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>>> is
>>> real and is caused by human activity.
>> What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
>> against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.
>
> You're wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You have the reverend
>>>> Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>>>> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>>>> right. Then science has stepped in
>>> NO!
>> Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
Alex DeLarge
> On Nov 2, 7:45 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>> BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
>> isn't a lot you can do without money.
>
> Wrong. It's called pure science,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
Alex DeLarge
Alex DeLarge
Alex DeLarge
> On Nov 2, 5:14 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>> Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
>> recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
>>
>> These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
>> the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
>> times in the past.
>
Alex DeLarge
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> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
>>> revolved around the earth.
>> As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
>> and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>>> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
Alex DeLarge
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
>> That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
>> Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
>> was driving.
>
>> http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
>
> From -your- cited article:
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
Alex DeLarge
> peace and justice,
>
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Alex DeLarge
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:41:39 -0800 (PST), flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 5:11 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>>> nothing.
>> Casto, go play with yourself over there in corner. Here, have some
>> knives. LOL!
>
>
> I put him in my kill file
You became a coward.
Phxbrd
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"Follow The Money".
Alex DeLarge
To William Gray?
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> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>> is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>> of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
>> by Oil or Coal interests.
>>
>
> "Follow The Money".
>
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The American Enterprise Institute has offered scientists and economists
$10,000 each to write critical reviews of a report issued today by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,
http://chronicle.com/article/10000-Awards-Offered-for/38165/
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/who-is-behind-climate-change-deniers-20080802-3ou6.html?page=-1
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>> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lo2dnVJ7E75DO3LX...@posted.pcez...
>>> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
>>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>>> is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>>> of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
>>> by Oil or Coal interests.
>>>
>> "Follow The Money".
>>
> ---------
> The American Enterprise Institute has offered scientists
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:702f943a-c85e-4c3b...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 7:43 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >> The overwhelming majority of
> >> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
> >> is
> >> real and is caused by human activity.
>
> >What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
> >against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.
>
> You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
> human activity.
You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery. I
didn't say otherwise. I'm explaining the turn in public opinion
because of the burgeoning increase in the variety of scientific
opinion.
Yer Pal Al
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:87a27430-b78a-460e...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
> >warming.
>
> And who was doing that? Be specific.
Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/4395774fc794126f?dmode=source
Yer Pal Al
> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> > "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:2e3cb715-5e37-4374...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >You have the reverend
> >>> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >>> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >>> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> >>> NO!
>
> >>Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
> > is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>
> "Follow The Money".
"Follow The *GRANT* Money"
Alex DeLarge
= peer-reviewed herding...
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On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
>> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
>> human activity.
>
>You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery.
Not really. Certainly not as much as from the Oil and Coal industries
>I
>didn't say otherwise. I'm explaining the turn in public opinion
>because of the burgeoning increase in the variety of scientific
>opinion.
And a growing "public opinion" is that the Moon Landing was faked.
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On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:87a27430-b78a-460e-b903->ae1569...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>> >warming.
>>
>> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>
>Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
>Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/4395774fc794126f?dmode=source
So you're getting into a long-winded diatribe based on a comment by one
nobody in the on-line equivalent of a bar?
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On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority
>> > of
>> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that
>> > GW
>> > is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are
>> > financed
>> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>>
>> "Follow The Money".
>
>"Follow The *GRANT* Money"
Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the Oil
industry will. And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.
Yer Pal Al
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ec28f0a8-1620-4e07...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> >> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
> >> >warming.
>
> >> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>
> >Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
> >Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
>
> So you're getting into a long-winded diatribe based on a comment by one
> nobody in the on-line equivalent of a bar?
You and Juan have interchangeable brains and you appreciate them.
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> On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority
> >> > of
> >> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that
> >> > GW
> >> > is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
> >> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are
> >> > financed
> >> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>
> >> "Follow The Money".
>
> >"Follow The *GRANT* Money"
>
> Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the Oil
> industry will. And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
> actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.
$10K is maybe 1 month's work for one person.
When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
people. Those payers will be liberal governments.
Alex DeLarge
It's called PEER HERDING!
Break from the herd and you get NO "grant money"!
Alex DeLarge
It's like swapping dead batteries in a cheap flashlight.
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>> You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
>>> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
>>> human activity.
>> You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery.
>
> Not really.
Yes, REALLY!
Alex DeLarge
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For -each- paper.
>When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
>people. Those payers will be liberal governments.
Then every government in the world advanced enough to comment on GW is
"liberal"?!
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ff70e3f7-856c-46e4...@j11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 3, 12:17 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the
> >> Oil
> >> industry will. And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
> >> actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.
>
> >$10K is maybe 1 month's work for one person.
>
> For -each- paper.
>
> >When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
> >people. Those payers will be liberal governments.
>
> Then every government in the world advanced enough to comment on GW is
> "liberal"?!
Mostly coming from the EU. But you won't see a lot out of China and
India because they are too busy making money.
Alex DeLarge
...and burning fossil fuels to do so...
Juan
> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
Sorry. You lose the argument.
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>>
>> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lo2dnVJ7E75DO3LX...@posted.pcez...
>>>
>>> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority
>>> of actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that
>>> GW is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small
>>> minority of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom
>>> are financed by Oil or Coal interests.
>>>
>>
>> "Follow The Money".
>>
> ---------
> The American Enterprise Institute has offered scientists and economists
> $10,000 each to write critical reviews of a report issued today by the
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,
> http://chronicle.com/article/10000-Awards-Offered-for/38165/
>
That's a safe offer. They may as well add a double handful of zeros to that
number.
Obwon
<b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 4:26�pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
>No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
>> You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>> right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
>> Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
>> electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
>> invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
>> us agree.
>
>And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?
>
>Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
>buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...
>
>"Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
>emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
>possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
>than normal summer in parts of the United States."
>
>In other words, it's bullshit. :)
Those who know, know that a cooler summer is exactly a
symptom described and expected in the global warming saga.
As global warming progresses, winters become warmer,
summers become cooler. thus the seasons appear to come
later, until finally they are indistinguishable from one
another. Under global warming it's said that the earth
takes longer to warm up and cool down. Notice that during
the winter, the temperature falls during the daylight hours
and rises overnight, this is an effect directly associated
with global warming, the signs are all there, you just
need the information to interpret them. Since most people
don't, they expect an almost straight line rise in
temperatures, if they don't see that, they think global
warming isn't happening.
There's no El Nino to blame warm winter temperatures on
this year, so now we'll see what happens, sans the el nino
arguments. They've predicted a very cold winter this year
because of the lack of the El Nino effect. I don't think
so, but then, I've paid attention to summer phenomena like
thunderstorms happening in December, of all months. My
guess is that even a short but bitter cold "snap" would be
all it takes to convince people that the winter is a really
cold one. People don't usually focus on the whether very
much, unless the whether is bad.
Few if any would take a calender and mark the daily temps
on each day. Fewer still will check the average temp over a
few months, and compare it to what the weather services say
is expected. So a cooler summer convinces people who don't
know what it's all about, that there is no global warming
happening, even as they're looking at precisely the
expected results.
Yer Pal Al
Last April, when it 32 in Buffalo - That was global warming.
Last year the early snow is symptom of global warming.
Now cooler summers.
This is what happens when scientists are competing for grant money and
they don't get any if they cannot find evidence of global warming.
Alex DeLarge
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:24 -0800 (PST), flybd5
> <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>>
>>> You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>>> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>>> right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
>>> Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
>>> electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
>>> invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
>>> us agree.
>> And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?
>>
>> Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
>> buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...
>>
>> "Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
>> emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
>> possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
>> than normal summer in parts of the United States."
>>
>> In other words, it's bullshit. :)
>
> Those who know, know that
Not our fault
Negative feedback
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
Obwon
You need to read the whole global warming scenario through
in it's context, before you assert that it's self
contradictory. The idea is that as the earths atmosphere
retains heat longer because of increased CO2 content, it
also takes longer to heat, because CO2 raises the planets
albedo. Once the planet is "warmed", it takes longer to
cool. Thus winters get warmer and summers get cooler,
until, they expect that eventually, the four seasons will
seem to merge, with winter and summer being just about
equal in temp. You've already noted the dramatically cooler
summer part. You seem to resist the idea that winters are
warmer, probably because you are using only short term
local data. Try checking the regional reports.
In any event the debate is moving on, while CO2 is the
main initiat cause, they're now looking at secondary
threats that reduce CO2 to the level of "triggering
mechanism" for what may be to come.
Yer Pal Al
It's called "suspension of disbelief." It's a way of life for the MTV
generation.
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>
> You need to read the whole global warming scenario through
> in it's context, before you assert that it's self
> contradictory. The idea is that as the earths atmosphere
> retains heat longer because of increased CO2 content, it
> also takes longer to heat, because CO2 raises the planets
> albedo.
Uh, no. CO2 is absorbs heat energy.
Alex DeLarge
Nope, ice ages have been known to come on brutally quickly, YOU need to
do some research before you open your half-baked Irwin Corey mouth
again, you stuttering simpleton.
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/3/279
Rapid onset of late Paleozoic glaciation on Gondwana: Evidence from
Upper Mississippian strata of the Midcontinent, United States
Langhorne B. Smith, Jr1 and J. Fred Read2
An abrupt change from carbonate-dominated sequences bounded by
disconformities with little evidence of erosion to mixed
carbonate-siliciclastic sequences bounded by unconformities with deep
incised valleys was likely produced by a three-fold increase in the
magnitude of eustatic sea-level fluctuations. The increase in the
magnitude of sea-level fluctuations was likely driven by an equally
abrupt increase in ice volume and marks the onset of the geographically
extensive late Paleozoic glaciation of Gondwana.
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10046
Are We on the Brink of a 'New Little Ice Age?'
Evidence for abrupt climate change is readily apparent in ice cores
taken from Greenland and Antarctica. One sees clear indications of
long-term changes discussed above, with CO� and proxy temperature
changes associated with the last ice age and its transition into our
present interglacial period of warmth. But, in addition, there is a
strong chaotic variation of properties with a quasi-period of around
1500 years. We say chaotic because these millennial shifts look like
anything but regular oscillations. Rather, they look like rapid,
decade-long transitions between cold and warm climates followed by long
interludes in one of the two states.
The best known example of these events is the Younger Dryas cooling of
about 12,000 years ago, named for arctic wildflower remains identified
in northern European sediments. This event began and ended within a
decade and for its 1000 year duration the North Atlantic region was
about 5�C colder.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/document/gispinfo.htm#LittleIceAge
he Younger Dryas and Other Rapid Climate Change Events Over the Last 110 kyr
The Younger Dryas (YD) was the most significant rapid climate change
event that occurred during the last deglaciation of the North Atlantic
region. Previous ice core studies have focused on the abrupt termination
of this event (Dansgaard et al., 1989) because this transition marks the
end of the last major climate reorganization during the deglaciation.
Most recently the YD has been re-dated using precision, sub-annually
resolved multivariate measurements from the GISP2 core as a 1300+/-70
year duration event that terminated abruptly. This was evidenced by an
approximate 7o C rise in temperature and a two-fold increase in
accumulation rate, at approximately 11.64 kyr BP (Alley et al., 1993).
The transition into the Preboreal (PB), the PB/YD transition, and the
YD/Holocene transition were all remarkably fast, each occurring over a
period of a decade or so (Alley et al., 1993).
Alex DeLarge
> -
> Uh, no. CO2 is absorbs heat energy.
>
>
Is what, say again komrade...
Obwon
Yeah, but it also makes the atmosphere more reflective of
light, so while it imprisons heat, it takes longer to
accumulate heat because it's light colored. A black surface
will heat faster than a lighter colored one in the sunlight.
But, left long enough the light one will eventually get
just as hot as the black one, it just takes longer.
In any event, this conversation demonstrates that there's
more to it than just simple straight forward thinking would
allow. The naysayers take advantage of the complexities to
apply linguistic trickery to confuse the issue. Hardly a
wonder when trillions of dollars hang in the balance of
moving towards alternative energy sources. I've been
looking to see if anyone has figured out what wind energy
costs in terms of the oil used to build it? If, in the
end, it uses just as much oil, for the energy it produces
as other means, then the oil industry has a reason to love
it, even though it seems clean.
Obwon
Well here you go again, off topic. But, did you see the
report about how the gulfstream is slowing down? It's
slowing, they say, because the ocean is becoming less
salty, which in turn is because of glacial and other ice
melts.
>Nope, ice ages have been known to come on brutally quickly, YOU need to
>do some research before you open your half-baked Irwin Corey mouth
>again, you stuttering simpleton.
>
>http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/3/279
>
>Rapid onset of late Paleozoic glaciation on Gondwana: Evidence from
>Upper Mississippian strata of the Midcontinent, United States
>
>Langhorne B. Smith, Jr1 and J. Fred Read2
>
>An abrupt change from carbonate-dominated sequences bounded by
>disconformities with little evidence of erosion to mixed
>carbonate-siliciclastic sequences bounded by unconformities with deep
>incised valleys was likely produced by a three-fold increase in the
>magnitude of eustatic sea-level fluctuations. The increase in the
>magnitude of sea-level fluctuations was likely driven by an equally
>abrupt increase in ice volume and marks the onset of the geographically
>extensive late Paleozoic glaciation of Gondwana.
>
>http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10046
>Are We on the Brink of a 'New Little Ice Age?'
>
>Evidence for abrupt climate change is readily apparent in ice cores
>taken from Greenland and Antarctica. One sees clear indications of
>long-term changes discussed above, with CO� and proxy temperature
>changes associated with the last ice age and its transition into our
>present interglacial period of warmth. But, in addition, there is a
>strong chaotic variation of properties with a quasi-period of around
>1500 years. We say chaotic because these millennial shifts look like
>anything but regular oscillations. Rather, they look like rapid,
>decade-long transitions between cold and warm climates followed by long
>interludes in one of the two states.
>
>The best known example of these events is the Younger Dryas cooling of
>about 12,000 years ago, named for arctic wildflower remains identified
>in northern European sediments. This event began and ended within a
>decade and for its 1000 year duration the North Atlantic region was
>about 5�C colder.
>
>http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/document/gispinfo.htm#LittleIceAge
>
>he Younger Dryas and Other Rapid Climate Change Events Over the Last 110 kyr
>
>The Younger Dryas (YD) was the most significant rapid climate change
>event that occurred during the last deglaciation of the North Atlantic
>region. Previous ice core studies have focused on the abrupt termination
>of this event (Dansgaard et al., 1989) because this transition marks the
>end of the last major climate reorganization during the deglaciation.
>Most recently the YD has been re-dated using precision, sub-annually
>resolved multivariate measurements from the GISP2 core as a 1300+/-70
>year duration event that terminated abruptly. This was evidenced by an
>approximate 7o C rise in temperature and a two-fold increase in
>accumulation rate, at approximately 11.64 kyr BP (Alley et al., 1993).
>The transition into the Preboreal (PB), the PB/YD transition, and the
>YD/Holocene transition were all remarkably fast, each occurring over a
>period of a decade or so (Alley et al., 1993).
You seem to have forgotten this --->
Continuity of the deep part of the GRIP core has not yet
been definitively demonstrated. Until this is done, by
showing that gas composition records at GRIP are identical
with those at Vostok or by some other approach, the evidence
for rapid climate change in Greenland during the last
interglacial remains equivocal. <----
Warm Regards
Barack Hussein Bohica
Does OdOne even understand the definition of "albedo"?
Obviously not...
Alex DeLarge
No....the topic is global warming, the climax state is glaciation, do
keep up.
> But, did you see the
> report about how the gulfstream is slowing down? It's
> slowing, they say, because the ocean is becoming less
> salty, which in turn is because of glacial and other ice
> melts.
They "suggest" as in they haven't a FUCKING clue!
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8398
Nobody is clear on what has gone wrong. Suggestions for blame include
the melting of sea ice or increased flow from Siberian rivers into the
Arctic.
The last shutdown, which prompted a temperature drop of 5�C to 10�C in
western Europe, was probably at the end of the last ice age, 12,000
years ago. There may also have been a slowing of Atlantic circulation
during the Little Ice Age, which lasted sporadically from 1300 to about
1850 and created temperatures low enough to freeze the River Thames in
London.
So you're saying they have "suggested" it?
Mubwhahahahaaa!!!!
Buy some muk-luks, you addled sot!
Obwon
<kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
I see, you don't read very well, hardly a wonder you are
as you are. Carry on.
Alex DeLarge
I see, you don't grasp that global warming _always_ precedes global COOLING.