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Yer Pal Al

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Nov 2, 2009, 2:32:10 PM11/2/09
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...people's faith in it is evaporating:

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
evidence of rising global temperatures.

Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
that currently, down from 47% last year.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion

Baxter

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At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
revolved around the earth.


Alex DeLarge

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At one time 99% of the readers here didn't know you suffered from
erectile dysfunction and were a slumlord...

Bill Shatzer

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Yer Pal Al wrote:

Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?

http://tinyurl.com/aj8rd7

peace and justice,

Alex DeLarge

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Bill Shatzer wrote:


> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 2:52 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
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> > "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:8366d07a-3a06-4e41...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
> >> The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
> >> the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
> >> cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
> >> evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
> >> over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
> >> evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
> >> Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
> >> proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
> >> result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
> >> that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
> >>http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> > At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> > revolved around the earth.
>
> At one time 99% of the readers here didn't know you suffered from
> erectile dysfunction and were a slumlord...

But 100% of the people here know you're a dipshit imbecile who fancies
himself a movie reviewer. LOL!

flybd5

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:11:00 PM11/2/09
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This isn't NASCAR, dimwit. Science doesn't operate on the concept of
watching cars make left turns all day long and having a few braindead
people say it's a sport.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/02/kilimanjaro.glaciers/index.html

Yer Pal Al

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>
> > ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
> > The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
> > the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
> > cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
> > evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
> > over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
> > evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
> > Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
> > proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
> > result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
> > that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
> >http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> revolved around the earth.

As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
and it revolved around the sun.

This article says that "In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
evidence of rising global temperatures." and 57% today despite Kyoto,
Copenhagen, Al Gore and his host of human tools who follow his new-
found religion.

Yer Pal Al

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:26:42 PM11/2/09
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Science is often proceded by a popular vote. You have the reverend
Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
us agree.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.

No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.

> You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
> Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
> us agree.

And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?

Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...

"Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
than normal summer in parts of the United States."

In other words, it's bullshit. :)

Milt Bradley

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They must have had an Algore running around telling them the sky was
falling on the flat earth. As people become dumbed down due to influx of
Mexicans and liberals teaching in public schools, the population is ripe
for junk science, ie; man-made global warming.

Milt Bradley

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It is if you are Algore nominated for a Nobel Prize or an Emmy. Actually
as big a joke as Obama's Nobel Prize.

Milt Bradley

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Global warming has been bullshit, propagated by the Socialists who want
to control all aspects of out lives. I burn tires.

Alex DeLarge

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Do they know you are a vile Jew-hater here Osito?

http://www.itpreport.com/default.asp?Mode=Page&P=1002

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Alex DeLarge

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Nov 2, 2009, 5:14:40 PM11/2/09
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flybd5 wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2:32 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>>
>> The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
>> the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
>> cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
>> evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
>> over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
>> evidence of rising global temperatures.
>>
>> Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
>> proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
>> result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
>> that currently, down from 47% last year.
>>
>> http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>
> This isn't NASCAR, dimwit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.


Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.

There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.

It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.

Negative feedback

The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.

Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.


Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.

Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.

No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.

Alex DeLarge

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flybd5 wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>

Baxter

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On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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>> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
>> revolved around the earth.
>
>As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
>and it revolved around the sun.

The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
able to measure accurately.

You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?


Baxter

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On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>
>Science is often proceded by a popular vote.

Nope. Not even a little.

>You have the reverend
>Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>right. Then science has stepped in

NO!

> and skeptics have pointed out that
>Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
>electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
>invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit."

What you're describing has nothing to do with science and everything to do
with Politics and Demagoguery.


>Now only 47% of
>us agree.

No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.


SMITH29

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Nov 2, 2009, 7:36:20 PM11/2/09
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xxxx

Now you want to hammer big Al for using electricity?
Then we need to stop the idea of developing the electric car.

Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?
Shut down aircraft manufacture?

You want us living in the dark and walking?

I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.

29


Yer Pal Al

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> http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/02/kilimanjaro.glaciers/index...

That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
was driving.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 2, 1:47 pm, flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:26 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.

BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
isn't a lot you can do without money.

> > You have the reverend Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> > as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> > right. Then science has stepped in and skeptics have pointed out that
> > Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> > electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> > invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit." Now only 47% of
> > us agree.
>
> And us is what, the 6 retards who share an address with you?

Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
the link? Of course you have my support for excluding yourself from
that group.

> Forgot to include something that shoots down your argument like a
> buzzard flying into a howitzer shell, didya...
>
> "Why do fewer Americans believe the earth is warming? No single factor
> emerges from Pew Research Center surveys, but rather a range of
> possible explanations, including a sour economy and, perhaps, a cooler
> than normal summer in parts of the United States."
>
> In other words, it's bullshit. :)

It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in
October.

http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/10/28/huge-denver-snow-storm-blasts-mountain-area/

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 2, 3:46 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> >> revolved around the earth.
>
> >As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
> >and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
> able to measure accurately.

You are saying that people couldn't see ships going over the horizon
back then?

> You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?

I know the concept that you've lost so then you say something like
that because you've run out of argument. Heaven forbid you try to
explain yourself and get bloodied again.

SMITH29

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Nov 2, 2009, 7:53:18 PM11/2/09
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You knuckle dragger's stop at tiddlywinks, daisy chains and lawn darts.
You don't see NASCAR fans criticizing your fudge sports.
Can't you just shut your pie hole and live and let live?
And no, I'm not a NASCAR fan.


29 :-)

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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> On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>
> >Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> Nope.  Not even a little.

Let's use the flat earth analogy again and say that 70% of the people
in that age believed the earth was flat. What was that? It wasn't
science. Maybe there was some goofball scientist somewhere you proved
the earth was flat. But not all of those people did the science.

> >You have the reverend
> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> NO!

Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.

> > and skeptics have pointed out that
> >Al Gore flies in a private jet and lives in a house the burns enough
> >electricity as a small city and he's trying to sell us the re-
> >invention of the pet-rock called the "carbon credit."
>
> What you're describing has nothing to do with science and everything to do
> with Politics and Demagoguery.

Throw in trucks of money and generous helping of hypocrisy and that's
Al Gore. You are right. He isn't a scientist. If he had an infatuation
with the internal combustion engine he'd find some goofball scientific
"facts" and he'd be selling negative carbon credits.

> >Now only 47% of
> >us agree.
>
> No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

I bet you couldn't make a living selling a time machines on eBay.

Sanders Kaufman

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"Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> No one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

Tell that to the people at Enron who bet their life savings that we'd never
beat the Dark Side.
They thought we were too stupid to catch them, and that even if we did,
they'd still keep all that money.
They were wrong on both counts.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 5:03 pm, Milt Bradley <B...@Mexico.mx> wrote:
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> Global warming has been bullshit, propagated by the Socialists who want
> to control all aspects of out lives. I burn tires.

Grunt away.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 5:14 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>
> Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
> recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
>
> These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
> the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
> times in the past.

Never in documented history or fossil records at the rate of change we
are seeing now. Sit down and suck on that lollipop.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 6:46 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:79a9bed3-fa61-4da6...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
> >> revolved around the earth.
>
> >As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
> >and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
> able to measure accurately.
>
> You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?

You really expect the trolls to understand that? Wishful thinking. :)

flybd5

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Only a dimwit like you would post an idiotic comeback like that. LOL!

Yer Pal Al

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An all-electric car is net polluter if we don't have a lot of clean
(er) energy like nuclear. I don't care if the captain of the Donut
Club uses TWH for colon stimulization. It's his hyporcrisy that
identifies his true motivation.

> Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?

Don't you think that it's hypocritic of him to take a private jet then
speak out against carbon?

> Shut down aircraft manufacture?

It might all get moved to red states.

> You want us living in the dark and walking?

Al Gore wants us in ox carts.

> I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.

I want to lead us into financial responsibility, health care reform
that makes sense and a military that funded to kick butt.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 7:45 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
> BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
> isn't a lot you can do without money.

Wrong. It's called pure science, the kind you neanderthals keep
bashing because you think it has no value.

> Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
> the link?

Yes, they specifically talk about all six of you. LOL!

> It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in October.

Pull your hair out of that one-inch forehead and look at Boston.
That's why anecdotal evidence is worth about as much as Limpbaugh's
IQ.

Milt Bradley

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Your ass. You got sucked in by Algore, Rocky and Bullwinkle and probably
some Democrat Congressman in a restroom.

Milt Bradley

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You must be a real mouth breather.

flybd5

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On Nov 2, 5:11 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
> nothing.

Casto, go play with yourself over there in corner. Here, have some
knives. LOL!

Baxter

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On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:

>> >You have the reverend
>> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>> >right. Then science has stepped in
>>
>> NO!
>
>Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.

"Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is
real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority of
"scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed by
Oil or Coal interests.


God's Debris

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I put him in my kill file and had it delete his messages, 975 turd
droppings disappeared.

Bill Shatzer

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Yer Pal Al wrote:

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> That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
> Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
> was driving.

> http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html

From -your- cited article:

"The scientists say that other declining glaciers, like the South
Cascade Glacier in Washington, would be a better poster child for the
plight of glaciers in a warming world, which are indeed diminishing
overall as a result of climate change. It's just that Kilimanjaro is one
exception to the trend. Government photographs taken from 1928 to 2000
have shown that the South Cascade Glacier lost half its mass in that time.

�'There are dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of mid-latitude glaciers
you could show where there is absolutely no question that they are
declining in response to the warming atmosphere,' Mote said."

Climate change remains very real, regardless of what might be occuring
on Kilimanjaro.

http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/public/images/investigations/kilimanjaro/graphics/image04.jpg

peace and justice,

SMITH29

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xxxx
Butt, he's a Democrat. That's what they do.

>
>> Hammer Big Al for using jet fuel?
>
> Don't you think that it's hypocritic of him to take a private jet then
> speak out against carbon?
xxxx
Not at all.
Like, church teaches us not to war.

>
>> Shut down aircraft manufacture?
>
> It might all get moved to red states.
xxxx
No " might " to that one. It's a done deal.

>
>> You want us living in the dark and walking?
>
> Al Gore wants us in ox carts.
xxxx
Well, he's a Democrat.

>
>> I'm unsure where you intend to lead us.
>
> I want to lead us into financial responsibility, health care reform
> that makes sense and a military that funded to kick butt.
xxxx
Dream on man, it's all we gots.

29

Milt Bradley

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Most of the scientists are social scientists, not physical scientists.
The physical scientists have grant money at stake. They love the global
warming scam. Algore perpetuates it because his company just got a $560
million dollar windfall from the government to make products to sell to
the sheep who believe this shit. You swallow so much bullshit, you
should have been a carp.

Yer Pal Al

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You can't respond to it. Glacier ice has been retreating on
Kilimanjaro for 100 years and you think it's man-made global warming.

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 2, 5:59 pm, flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 7:45 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>
> > BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
> > isn't a lot you can do without money.
>
> Wrong. It's called pure science,

Paid for by special interest groups.

> the kind you neanderthals keep
> bashing because you think it has no value.

If someone wants to study the atmosphere and someone will pay them for
it, fine. It's the ox-cart lust with the exemption of China and India
that's the real problem which exposes the true agenda.

> > Us is Americans as in "The latest national survey...". Didn't you read
> > the link?
>
> Yes, they specifically talk about all six of you. LOL!

I do appreciate you usingthe word "you" as in Americans. It's nice to
know you aren't one of us. I have to remember that you have no
comprehension of a trillion so 6 v. 1500 - that's probably the best I
can hope from you.

> > It's hard to convince people of global warming when they are snowed in October.
>
> Pull your hair out of that one-inch forehead and look at Boston.

Tuesday's overnight is going to be 34. Is this evidence of global
warming?

> That's why anecdotal evidence is worth about as much as Limpbaugh's
> IQ.

Do you mean Rush "$400M Contract" Limbaugh?

In your life a Bud Light is livin' so life in your hovel isn't so bad
if you can imagine you're smart.

Yer Pal Al

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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:2e3cb715-5e37-4374...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >> >You have the reverend
> >> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> >> NO!
>
> >Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW.

It's reversing the opinions of global warming.

> The overwhelming majority of
> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is
> real and is caused by human activity.

What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 2, 9:31 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
> > Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
> > was driving.
> >http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
>
>  From -your- cited article:
>
> "The scientists say that other declining glaciers, like the South
> Cascade Glacier in Washington,  would be a better poster child for the
> plight of glaciers in a warming world, which are indeed diminishing
> overall as a result of climate change. It's just that Kilimanjaro is one
> exception to the trend. Government photographs taken from 1928 to 2000
> have shown that the South Cascade Glacier lost half its mass in that time.

And the Laurentide Ice Sheet has lost 99.9% of its mass in the last
20,000 years.

It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
warming.

> “'There are dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of mid-latitude glaciers


> you could show where there is absolutely no question that they are
> declining in response to the warming atmosphere,' Mote said."
>
> Climate change remains very real, regardless of what might be occuring
> on Kilimanjaro.
>

> http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/public/images/investigations/kilimanjaro...

If you believe that trade in your snowmobile and parka for a bikini
and surf board.

Barack Hussein Bohica

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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:32:10 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
<caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:

>...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>
>The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
>the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
>cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
>evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
>over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
>evidence of rising global temperatures.
>
>Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
>proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
>result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
>that currently, down from 47% last year.
>
>http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion

You can tell the Earth is getting cooler - just watch the Gorebal
Warmers sweat!

Barack Hussein Bohica

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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:22:42 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
<caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 2, 5:59�pm, flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 7:45�pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > > No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>>
>> > BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
>> > isn't a lot you can do without money.
>>
>> Wrong. It's called pure science,
>
>Paid for by special interest groups.
>
>> the kind you neanderthals keep
>> bashing because you think it has no value.
>
>If someone wants to study the atmosphere and someone will pay them for
>it, fine. It's the ox-cart lust with the exemption of China and India
>that's the real problem which exposes the true agenda.

The moonbats think China is cleaner than the US. Show them:


http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/?2009296-1023/China.A2009296.0500.2km.jpg

Air so fresh you could chew it...

Barack Hussein Bohica

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More like ten thousand years... (or its last eruption)

Baxter

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You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and

Baxter

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>It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>warming.

And who was doing that? Be specific.


Baxter

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> Most of the scientists are social scientists, not physical scientists. The
> physical scientists have grant money at stake. They love the global
> warming scam.

So Social Scientists would know better about Climate that Physical
scientists?!! Hooda Thunk!

Tell you what - you get your Climate Science from your Dentist and I'll get
mine from people trained in the subject:
--------------
The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council
in 2003 said:

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the
Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the
past 200 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change


And:
----------
An important fact to remember is that many high profile critics you see in
the news do not qualify as climate scientists

http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm


Milt Bradley

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Like NASA? BTW, Don't quote Wiki, it is an unreliable source, drawing
it's facts from unvetted sources who post. Global warming and cooling is
cyclical. You should worry about the sun burning out first.

Milt Bradley

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:43:52 AM11/3/09
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The same guy who is increasing the ice masses in the Antartic, and
giving us the
coldest winters we've ever had.

Baxter

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> Baxter wrote:
>> And:
>> ----------
>> An important fact to remember is that many high profile critics you see
>> in the news do not qualify as climate scientists
>>
>> http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm
>>
>>
> Like NASA? BTW, Don't quote Wiki, it is an unreliable source, drawing it's
> facts from unvetted sources who post. Global warming and cooling is
> cyclical. You should worry about the sun burning out first.

NASA agrees with GW:
--------
Climatologists (scientists who study climate) have analyzed the global
warming that has occurred since the late 1800's. A majority of
climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most
of the warming.
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html

And the Wiki had plenty of references to back up it's claims - unlike the
Deniers that post here.


Baxter

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> Baxter wrote:
>> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:87a27430-b78a-460e...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>>> warming.
>>
>> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>>
> The same guy who is increasing the ice masses in the Antartic, and giving
> us the
> coldest winters we've ever had.

IOW, you're pulling it out of your ass.


Alex DeLarge

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Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.


Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.

There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.

It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.

Negative feedback

The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.

Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.


Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.

Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.

No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.

Alex DeLarge

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> "Milt Bradley" <Ba...@Mexico.mx> wrote in message
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>
>> Most of the scientists are social scientists, not physical scientists. The
>> physical scientists have grant money at stake. They love the global
>> warming scam.
>
> So Social Scientists would know better about Climate that Physical
> scientists?!! Hooda Thunk!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Alex DeLarge

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Alex DeLarge

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> On Nov 2, 7:43 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>> The overwhelming majority of
>>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>>> is
>>> real and is caused by human activity.
>> What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
>> against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.
>
> You're wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Alex DeLarge

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> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You have the reverend
>>>> Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>>>> as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>>>> right. Then science has stepped in
>>> NO!
>> Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Alex DeLarge

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flybd5 wrote:

> On Nov 2, 7:45 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> No, it isn't. Science is preceded by curiosity.
>> BS. First it's a quest for money. Then it's a popular vote. There
>> isn't a lot you can do without money.
>
> Wrong. It's called pure science,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Alex DeLarge

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flybd5 wrote:

> On Nov 2, 7:40 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 1:11 pm, flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2:32 pm, Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...people's faith in it is evaporating:
>>>> The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People &
>>>> the Press, conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 4 among 1,500 adults reached on
>>>> cell phones and landlines, finds that 57% think there is solid
>>>> evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer
>>>> over the past few decades. In April 2008, 71% said there was solid
>>>> evidence of rising global temperatures.
>>>> Over the same period, there has been a comparable decline in the
>>>> proportion of Americans who say global temperatures are rising as a
>>>> result of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels. Just 36% say
>>>> that currently, down from 47% last year.
>>>> http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1386/cap-and-trade-global-warming-opinion
>>> This isn't NASCAR, dimwit. Science doesn't operate on the concept of
>>> watching cars make left turns all day long and having a few braindead
>>> people say it's a sport.
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/02/kilimanjaro.glaciers/index...
>> That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
>> Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
>> was driving.
>>
>> http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
>
> Only a

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Alex DeLarge

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>> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:79a9bed3-fa61-4da6...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
>>>> revolved around the earth.
>>> As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
>>> and it revolved around the sun.
>> The spheroid had nothing to do with smarter and everything to do with being
>> able to measure accurately.
>>
>> You really don't know the concepts involved here do you?
>
> You really expect

Alex DeLarge

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flybd5 wrote:

> On Nov 2, 5:14 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>> Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
>> recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.
>>
>> These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
>> the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
>> times in the past.
>
> Never in documented history

Alex DeLarge

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flybd5 wrote:
> On Nov 2, 5:03 pm, Milt Bradley <B...@Mexico.mx> wrote:
>> Global warming has been bullshit, propagated by the Socialists who want
>> to control all aspects of out lives. I burn tires.
>
> Grunt

\http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

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> On Nov 2, 11:52 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>> At one time, 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and the sun
>>> revolved around the earth.
>> As people got smarter they began to realize the earth was a spheroid
>> and it revolved around the sun.
>
> The spheroid had nothing to do

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

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> On Nov 2, 12:06 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>>> Good thing science doesn't proceed by popular vote, eh?
>> Science is often proceded by a popular vote.
>
> Nope.

Alex DeLarge

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Bill Shatzer wrote:
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
>> That's right moron - human caused global warming since 1912 on
>> Kilimanjaro. Must have been all those Model "A" Excursions everyone
>> was driving.
>
>> http://www.livescience.com/environment/070611_gw_kilimanjaro.html
>
> From -your- cited article:

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>> Baxter wrote:
>>> And:
>>> ----------
>>> An important fact to remember is that many high profile critics you see
>>> in the news do not qualify as climate scientists
>>>
>>> http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm
>>>
>>>
>> Like NASA? BTW, Don't quote Wiki, it is an unreliable source, drawing it's
>> facts from unvetted sources who post. Global warming and cooling is
>> cyclical. You should worry about the sun burning out first.
>
> NASA agrees with

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.html

NASA STUDY FINDS INCREASING SOLAR TREND THAT CAN CHANGE CLIMATE


Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits,
during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05
percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it
could cause significant climate change," said Richard Willson, a
researcher affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies
and Columbia University's Earth Institute, New York. He is the lead
author of the study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters.

"Historical records of solar activity indicate that solar radiation has
been increasing since the late 19th century. If a trend, comparable to
the one found in this study, persisted throughout the 20th century, it
would have provided a significant component of the global warming the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports to have occurred over
the past 100 years," he said.

Alex DeLarge

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Bill Shatzer wrote:

> peace and justice,
>
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Alex DeLarge

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God's Debris wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:41:39 -0800 (PST), flybd5 <b...@bd5.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 5:11 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>>> nothing.
>> Casto, go play with yourself over there in corner. Here, have some
>> knives. LOL!
>
>
> I put him in my kill file

You became a coward.

Phxbrd

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> On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>> >You have the reverend
>>> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
>>> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
>>> >right. Then science has stepped in
>>>
>>> NO!
>>
>>Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
> is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
> of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
> by Oil or Coal interests.
>

"Follow The Money".

Alex DeLarge

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To William Gray?

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> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>

>> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>> is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>> of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
>> by Oil or Coal interests.
>>
>
> "Follow The Money".
>

---------
The American Enterprise Institute has offered scientists and economists
$10,000 each to write critical reviews of a report issued today by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,
http://chronicle.com/article/10000-Awards-Offered-for/38165/

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/who-is-behind-climate-change-deniers-20080802-3ou6.html?page=-1


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>> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lo2dnVJ7E75DO3LX...@posted.pcez...
>>> "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority of
>>> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
>>> is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>>> of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
>>> by Oil or Coal interests.
>>>
>> "Follow The Money".
>>
> ---------
> The American Enterprise Institute has offered scientists

Yer Pal Al

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> On Nov 2, 7:43 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >> The overwhelming majority of
> >> actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
> >> is
> >> real and is caused by human activity.
>
> >What I'm saying is everyday more and more scientists are coming out
> >against that and that is resonating with a cynical public.
>
> You're wrong.  The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and

> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
> human activity.

You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery. I
didn't say otherwise. I'm explaining the turn in public opinion
because of the burgeoning increase in the variety of scientific
opinion.

Yer Pal Al

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>
> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
> >warming.
>
> And who was doing that?  Be specific.

Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/4395774fc794126f?dmode=source

Yer Pal Al

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On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> > "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:2e3cb715-5e37-4374...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >You have the reverend
> >>> >Gore preaching his religion telling us we are going to virtually drown
> >>> >as the world warms, Just a a year and 1/2 ago 71% thought he was
> >>> >right. Then science has stepped in
>
> >>> NO!
>
> >>Yes. The tide is turning. More science is turning the opinion.
>
> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW.  The overwhelming majority of
> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW
> > is real and is caused by human activity.  You have a very small minority
> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are financed
> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>
> "Follow The Money".

"Follow The *GRANT* Money"

Alex DeLarge

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= peer-reviewed herding...

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On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
>> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
>> human activity.
>
>You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery.

Not really. Certainly not as much as from the Oil and Coal industries

>I
>didn't say otherwise. I'm explaining the turn in public opinion
>because of the burgeoning increase in the variety of scientific
>opinion.

And a growing "public opinion" is that the Moon Landing was faked.


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On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in

>> messagenews:87a27430-b78a-460e-b903->ae1569...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...


>>
>> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>> >warming.
>>
>> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>
>Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
>Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/4395774fc794126f?dmode=source

So you're getting into a long-winded diatribe based on a comment by one
nobody in the on-line equivalent of a bar?


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On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>

>> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority
>> > of
>> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that
>> > GW
>> > is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
>> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are
>> > financed
>> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>>
>> "Follow The Money".
>
>"Follow The *GRANT* Money"

Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the Oil
industry will. And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.


Milt Bradley

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Next thing ya know, someone will tell us that Carter sold the Panama Canal.

Milt Bradley

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Boy, you don't know much about government grants.

Milt Bradley

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>> Baxter wrote:
>>> And:
>>> ----------
>>> An important fact to remember is that many high profile critics you see
>>> in the news do not qualify as climate scientists
>>>
>>> http://logicalscience.com/consensus/consensusD1.htm
>>>
>>>
>> Like NASA? BTW, Don't quote Wiki, it is an unreliable source, drawing it's
>> facts from unvetted sources who post. Global warming and cooling is
>> cyclical. You should worry about the sun burning out first.
>
> NASA agrees with GW:
> --------
> Climatologists (scientists who study climate) have analyzed the global
> warming that has occurred since the late 1800's. A majority of
> climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most
> of the warming.
> http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html
>
> And the Wiki had plenty of references to back up it's claims - unlike the
> Deniers that post here.
>
Grow some brains. The NASA report doesn't agree with what the physical
scientists
ere saying at NASA prior to this year. It ain't getting warmer Dupa.
You'd notice.

Milt Bradley

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>> Baxter wrote:
>>> "Yer Pal Al" <caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:87a27430-b78a-460e...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>>>
>>>> It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
>>>> warming.
>>> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>>>
>> The same guy who is increasing the ice masses in the Antartic, and giving
>> us the
>> coldest winters we've ever had.
>
> IOW, you're pulling it out of your ass.
>
Why don't you reduce Carbon Dioxide by tying a rope around you neck
tightening it.

Milt Bradley

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Hey Obamanut, drive a nail into your forehead.

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> On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> "Yer Pal Al" <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:87a27430-b78a-460e-b903->ae1569374__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>
> >> >It is stupid to use Kilamanjaro as a glacial decline due to global
> >> >warming.
>
> >> And who was doing that? Be specific.
>
> >Juan, the morbidly obese, Iberian but non-Hispanic Jew hating Puerto
> >Rican. Jeeze, read the effing thread:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/4395774fc794126f?...

>
> So you're getting into a long-winded diatribe based on a comment by one
> nobody in the on-line equivalent of a bar?

You and Juan have interchangeable brains and you appreciate them.

Yer Pal Al

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> On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > "Science" did not "step in" and reverse GW. The overwhelming majority
> >> > of
> >> > actual -scientists-, and especially Climate Scientists all agree that
> >> > GW
> >> > is real and is caused by human activity. You have a very small minority
> >> > of "scientists" who are making a lot of noise - most of whom are
> >> > financed
> >> > by Oil or Coal interests.
>
> >> "Follow The Money".
>
> >"Follow The *GRANT* Money"
>
> Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the Oil
> industry will.  And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
> actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.

$10K is maybe 1 month's work for one person.

When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
people. Those payers will be liberal governments.

Alex DeLarge

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Oooooh, you DO get it!

It's called PEER HERDING!

Break from the herd and you get NO "grant money"!

Alex DeLarge

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It's like swapping dead batteries in a cheap flashlight.

Alex DeLarge

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> On Nov 3, 7:59 am, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>> You're wrong. The overwhelming majority of actual -scientists-, and
>>> especially Climate Scientists all agree that GW is real and is caused by
>>> human activity.
>> You are right there is more money in global warming demagoguery.
>
> Not really.

Yes, REALLY!

Alex DeLarge

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How long were you a "slumlord" and why did you become one?

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For -each- paper.

>When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
>people. Those payers will be liberal governments.

Then every government in the world advanced enough to comment on GW is
"liberal"?!


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> Baxter wrote:
>>
>> And the Wiki had plenty of references to back up it's claims - unlike the
>> Deniers that post here.
>>
> Grow some brains.

Document your claims - even a little bit

>The NASA report doesn't agree with what the physical scientists
> ere saying at NASA prior to this year.

And prior to this year, Bush was censoring the NASA scientists.


>It ain't getting warmer Dupa. You'd notice.


Yes, it is getting warmer - you're unwilling to see the signs.

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> Baxter wrote:
>>
>> IOW, you're pulling it out of your ass.
> Why don't you reduce Carbon Dioxide by tying a rope around you neck
> tightening it.

Typical rightard.


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> Baxter wrote:
>>
>> So you're getting into a long-winded diatribe based on a comment by one
>> nobody in the on-line equivalent of a bar?
>>
>>
> Hey Obamanut, drive a nail into your forehead.

You wish, rightard.


Yer Pal Al

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> On Nov 3, 12:17 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Grand money isn't going to pay you $10,000 for a single report - but the
> >> Oil
> >> industry will. And with Grant Money you have to do actual work - and get
> >> actual results that other actual scientists will agree with.
>
> >$10K is maybe 1 month's work for one person.
>
> For -each- paper.
>
> >When you say the "overwhelming majority" - someone is paying all those
> >people. Those payers will be liberal governments.
>
> Then every government in the world advanced enough to comment on GW is
> "liberal"?!

Mostly coming from the EU. But you won't see a lot out of China and
India because they are too busy making money.

Alex DeLarge

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Baxter wrote:
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> Yes, it is getting warmer - you're unwilling to see the signs.

It will soon enough be betting colder, enjoy the next glaciation.

Alex DeLarge

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Typical slumlord.

Alex DeLarge

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As we all do, slumlord.

Alex DeLarge

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...and burning fossil fuels to do so...

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