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Jeff-Relf.Me
May 17, 2013, 7:23:32 PM5/17/13
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Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip. They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape. You ( Snit ) don't know much about Thunderbird, so it's "new" to you. You don't know what userContent.CSS and userChrome.CSS are, for example. Those who've spent weeks tweeking Windows 8✼, as I have, are EXPERTS. [ ✼: My IE / Win_8 "Theme". Registry Settings to change font faces/sizes. ] I wrote my first email/Usenet app ( for NeXT ) back in 1991. I could prove to you that Usenet is a variant of email, but I won't bother because I know you don't care that much. emacs is backwater because it doesn't understand HTML/UTF・8.
Snit
May 17, 2013, 7:40:29 PM5/17/13
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On 5/17/13 4:23 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.17{16.23.Seattle.2013},
Fact Week"? If so I did not get the memo. But assuming it is, I shall share
a fact with you:
Phobatrivaphobia is a fear of trivia about phobias.
> You ( Snit ) don't know much about Thunderbird, so it's "new" to you.
You are assuming what I do and do not know. Is this a hobby of yours?
Perhaps it is a game you play. I shall join:
You (Jeff) don't know much about the ampersand (&), so it's
"new" to you.
Mildly amusing. Thank you for inviting me to play!
> You don't know what userContent.CSS <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT>
> and userChrome.CSS <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/userChrome.CSS.TXT> are, for example.
More assumptions about what I do and do not know. Interesting game. I shall
play, too!
You don't know what spaces between parenthesis are, for example.
While this is somewhat amusing I can see where it would get old quickly.
> Those who've spent weeks tweeking Windows 8?, as I have, are EXPERTS.
You said it took you weeks to configure Windows. That shows a sign of being
the opposite of an "expert", unless you had some rather uncommon needs for
this configuring!
> [ ?: My IE / Win_8 "Theme" <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Jeff_Relf.Theme.TXT> .
> Registry Settings <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT> to change font
shall play the same game...
I could prove that Mt. Rushmore is a variant of Cacti, but I
> emacs is backwater because it doesn't understand HTML/UTF・8.
--
Summary of cc's statistical BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7rwazxw>
Details on cc's "outliers" BS: <http://tinyurl.com/84r3ypq>
More on cc's ignorance about outliers: <http://tinyurl.com/7vyhttc>
Four method compared to cc's absurd claims: <http://tinyurl.com/7efkuzm>
Details on cc's sigma and R^2 BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7vambev>
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
Good to see you know this. Not sure why you bring it up. Is it "Arbitrary
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
Fact Week"? If so I did not get the memo. But assuming it is, I shall share
a fact with you:
Phobatrivaphobia is a fear of trivia about phobias.
> You ( Snit ) don't know much about Thunderbird, so it's "new" to you.
Perhaps it is a game you play. I shall join:
You (Jeff) don't know much about the ampersand (&), so it's
"new" to you.
Mildly amusing. Thank you for inviting me to play!
> You don't know what userContent.CSS <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT>
> and userChrome.CSS <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/userChrome.CSS.TXT> are, for example.
More assumptions about what I do and do not know. Interesting game. I shall
play, too!
You don't know what spaces between parenthesis are, for example.
While this is somewhat amusing I can see where it would get old quickly.
> Those who've spent weeks tweeking Windows 8?, as I have, are EXPERTS.
You said it took you weeks to configure Windows. That shows a sign of being
the opposite of an "expert", unless you had some rather uncommon needs for
this configuring!
> [ ?: My IE / Win_8 "Theme" <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Jeff_Relf.Theme.TXT> .
> Registry Settings <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT> to change font
> faces/sizes. ]
>
> I wrote my first email/Usenet app ( for NeXT
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT> ) back in 1991.
>
> I wrote my first email/Usenet app ( for NeXT
> I could prove to you that Usenet is a variant of email,
> but I won't bother because I know you don't care that much.
Usenet is not a variant of email and thus you cannot prove that it is. But I
> but I won't bother because I know you don't care that much.
shall play the same game...
I could prove that Mt. Rushmore is a variant of Cacti, but I
won't bother because I know you don't care that much.
Do you find such games fun?
> emacs is backwater because it doesn't understand HTML/UTF・8.
Summary of cc's statistical BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7rwazxw>
Details on cc's "outliers" BS: <http://tinyurl.com/84r3ypq>
More on cc's ignorance about outliers: <http://tinyurl.com/7vyhttc>
Four method compared to cc's absurd claims: <http://tinyurl.com/7efkuzm>
Details on cc's sigma and R^2 BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7vambev>
Jeff-Relf.Me
May 17, 2013, 9:03:00 PM5/17/13
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Entourage ( Mr. "Snit"'s newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF-8. [ it attempts to use "ISO-2022-JP", a big FAIL, and <A> tags are quoted "as is", raw HTML ] Likewise, emacs is backwater because it doesn't understand HTML/UTF・8. Thunderbird can because: Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip. hey're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape. I've explained this to Snit, yet he continually fails to grasp it; instead, he blames ME for his failures. Also, I showed him ultra⋅complex modifications to Windows⋅8 and FireFox; still, he thinks I'm a noob because it took me weeks to do it. Is he nuts ? I think so. Still, he's smarter than most here, sad to say. Again:
to change font faces/sizes. Change the color of Web Pages, FireFox and (DOS) "Console 2". To skip the Start Screen ( Metro ), see: WinAero.COM My 20 watt PC/VoIP⋅phone boots to a blank Windows⋅8 desktop; Screenshot. The taskbar has one "pinned" icon; i.e. my "Start Button" ( I used Visual C++ ); Screenshot. My Logitech G⋅600 mouse has almost 40 buttons; Screenshot. To add a command/app to my "Start Button" app ( X.EXE ), I edit X.HTM. Like this: \\ App /Windows/eXplorer.EXE /n,\__ VS App /__/EXEs/Visual_Studio_2010/Common7/IDE/devEnv.EXE \__\_Source\X.SLN FF App /__/EXEs/FireFox/Firefox.EXE IE App "/Program Files (x86)/Internet Explorer/IExplore.EXE" ME App /__/EXEs/FileZilla/filezilla.EXE -c 0/Me Bac App /__/EXEs/FileZilla/filezilla.EXE -c 0/Bac JXH App /__/EXEs/FileZilla/filezilla.EXE -c 0/JXH ABA App /__/EXEs/FileZilla/filezilla.EXE -c 0/ABA WinAmp App /__/EXEs/WinAMP/CLamp.EXE /Random ON /PLclear /PLadd \__\MP3\*.MP3 /Next /Play Bria App /__/EXEs/Bria/Bria3.EXE DOS App /__/EXEs/Console2/Console.EXE -r "/K" Unins App Control appWiz.CPL ⏉ App /__/_Source/EXE/Games.EXE Del App /Windows/eXplorer.EXE /n,\$Recycle.Bin\S-1-5-18 ClrPck App /__/EXEs/ColorPicker/ColorPix.EXE Cntrl App Control RegEd App /Windows/System32/RegEdt32.EXE Wrd App /__/EXEs/Office_2007/Office12/WinWord.EXE ╳ App @/__/X /__/Backup/X.EXE
Snit
May 17, 2013, 9:31:37 PM5/17/13
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On 5/17/13 6:03 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.17{18.03.Seattle.2013},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
> [ it attempts to use "ISO-2022-JP", a big FAIL,
> and <A> tags are quoted "as is", raw HTML ]
>
> Likewise, emacs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs> is backwater because it
> Also, I showed him ultra・complex modifications to Windows・8 and FireFox;
> still, he thinks I'm a noob because it took me weeks to do it.
> Is he nuts ? I think so. Still, he's smarter than most here, sad to say.
You are the one who claims to think Usenet is a form of email and admitted
it took you weeks to configure a basic consumer OS.
<snip a bunch of irrelevancies>
--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
> Entourage ( Mr. "Snit"'s newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF-8.
You are incorrect. It can where appropriate, in email.
> [ it attempts to use "ISO-2022-JP", a big FAIL,
> and <A> tags are quoted "as is", raw HTML ]
>
> doesn't understand HTML/UTF・8.
>
> Thunderbird can because:
>
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> hey're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
>
> I've explained this to Snit, yet he continually fails to grasp it;
> instead, he blames ME for his failures.
This is incorrect. I do no such thing.
>
> Thunderbird can because:
>
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> hey're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
>
> I've explained this to Snit, yet he continually fails to grasp it;
> instead, he blames ME for his failures.
> Also, I showed him ultra・complex modifications to Windows・8 and FireFox;
> still, he thinks I'm a noob because it took me weeks to do it.
> Is he nuts ? I think so. Still, he's smarter than most here, sad to say.
it took you weeks to configure a basic consumer OS.
<snip a bunch of irrelevancies>
--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman
Jeff-Relf.Me
May 18, 2013, 12:46:52 AM5/18/13
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Mr. "Snit", I've never heard of a newsreader that ONLY handles HTML/UTF⋅8 when it's email, not when it's Usenet. It doesn't make sense, sorry. Entourage ( you newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF⋅8. This is a KNOWN fact; I see it, anyone can see it. It's using the "Mac⁻ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF⋅8, and it's borking the <A> tags. That's on you, sorry. Thunderbird has no such problems because: Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip. They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape. I could spend YEARS tweaking a "basic consumer OS", two weeks is nothing. How fast can you write ANYTHING like the following ? :
Snit
May 18, 2013, 1:12:12 AM5/18/13
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On 5/17/13 9:46 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.17{21.46.Seattle.2013},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
This is in direct contradiction to your claim earlier today:
-----
Entourage ( Mr. "Snit"'s newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF-8.
-----
> It doesn't make sense, sorry.
What makes sense to you is not relevant.
> Entourage ( you newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF占쏙옙8.
Your "known fact" does not fit the available data.
> It's using the "Mac?ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF占쏙옙8,
not working correctly I would like to see it. Clearly, however, the UTF-8
option is there. I use Entourage only for Usenet text groups, though, and do
not care about its HTML support. Does not affect me in any way.
> Thunderbird has no such problems because:
>
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
You keep repeating this as though someone is denying the relationship
between the two products. This is very odd of you.
> I could spend YEARS tweaking a "basic consumer OS", two weeks is nothing.
I have no doubt you could spend a lot of time failing to use a tool to get
work done.
> How fast can you write ANYTHING like the following ? :
>
mere moments to do. Certainly not "two weeks". Here:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/SetFonts.png>
I feel for you with your belief that such personalization would or should
take weeks to accomplish.
I snipped the rest. I am not interested in your specific modifications. So
you know, though, I also have a programmable Logitech mouse I have
customized for different programs. If you care:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MouseSettings.mp4>
Not sure what this accomplishes though. So we both customize / personalize
our systems, or at least can if we wish to. So?
I think you are working to obfuscate your incorrect claim about Usenet being
a form of email. It is not. Have you realized your error there yet?
--
> As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency.
... standard of decency or hygiene.
-- Lusotec
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
> Mr. "Snit", I've never heard of a newsreader that ONLY handles
> HTML/UTF占쏙옙8 when it's email, not when it's Usenet.
This is in direct contradiction to your claim earlier today:
-----
Entourage ( Mr. "Snit"'s newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF-8.
-----
> It doesn't make sense, sorry.
> Entourage ( you newsreader ) can't handle HTML/UTF占쏙옙8.
> This is a KNOWN fact; I see it, anyone can see it.
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/EntourageUTF-8.mp4>
Your "known fact" does not fit the available data.
> It's using the "Mac?ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF占쏙옙8,
> and it's borking the <A> tags. That's on you, sorry.
If you would like to provide evidence that the UTF-8 support in Entourage is
not working correctly I would like to see it. Clearly, however, the UTF-8
option is there. I use Entourage only for Usenet text groups, though, and do
not care about its HTML support. Does not affect me in any way.
> Thunderbird has no such problems because:
>
> Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox are joined at the hip.
> They're delevopled in tandom. They're a fork of Netscape.
between the two products. This is very odd of you.
> I could spend YEARS tweaking a "basic consumer OS", two weeks is nothing.
work done.
> How fast can you write ANYTHING like the following ? :
>
> My IE / Win_8 "Theme" <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Jeff_Relf.Theme.TXT> .
> Registry Settings <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT> to change font
> faces/sizes.
I have modified font settings quite quickly on my primary desktop OS. Takes
> Registry Settings <http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT> to change font
> faces/sizes.
mere moments to do. Certainly not "two weeks". Here:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/SetFonts.png>
I feel for you with your belief that such personalization would or should
take weeks to accomplish.
I snipped the rest. I am not interested in your specific modifications. So
you know, though, I also have a programmable Logitech mouse I have
customized for different programs. If you care:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MouseSettings.mp4>
Not sure what this accomplishes though. So we both customize / personalize
our systems, or at least can if we wish to. So?
I think you are working to obfuscate your incorrect claim about Usenet being
a form of email. It is not. Have you realized your error there yet?
--
> As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency.
... standard of decency or hygiene.
-- Lusotec
Jeff-Relf.Me
May 18, 2013, 1:56:48 AM5/18/13
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Were you ( Snit ) smart enough to TRY Thunderbird, you'd know what I was talking about. Sadly, you're not. The charset ( UTF⋅8 ) is DETECTED, it's NOT a manual setting. Same for HTML; no manual settings required, it just works. Try it, you'll see; Thunderbird converts "text/HTML" to "text/plain". Entourage, on the other hand, BORKS the conversion. This is a FACT; I see the FAIL when you quote UTF⋅8 or HTML. Are your feelings hurt, does it make your cry ? Were I you, I'd be saying, "Sorry Jeff Relf, I was all wrong". Quoting me, you wrote: ＜＜ > It's using the "Mac?ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF·8, > and it's borking the <A> tags. That's on you, sorry. ＞＞ That SHOULD be "Mac⁻ISO-2022-JP", not "Mac?ISO-2022-JP". '?' is NOT the same thing as '⁻', sorry; Entourage is borked. Now Entourage thinks UTF⋅8 is EUC⋅KR ! ? That's full on RETARDED, sorry. Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, sorry. Again, it also borks the <A> tags. To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you. Re: http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/SetFonts.png That doesn't even BEGIN to compare to the tweaks that I've made; to wit: My tweaks Note: it's more than just font settings. I would give you the details, but I know you couldn't begin to understand.
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Jeff-Relf.Me
May 18, 2013, 2:22:54 AM5/18/13
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No, Mr. "Snit", I wrote: ＜＜ To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you. ＞＞ Obviously, it is; otherwise you'd go to this link, Google Groups, to see how a REAL newsreader would handle it. [ Thunderbird is too hard for you, so I point to Google Groups ] Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, same as emacs.
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Snit
May 18, 2013, 10:34:31 AM5/18/13
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On 5/17/13 11:22 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.17{23.22.Seattle.2013},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
>
You make many baseless claims. Did you know that. Your most amusing was how
you think Usenet is a form of email.
That was funny.
--
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> ?
> No, Mr. "Snit", I wrote: ＜＜
>
> To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail,
> or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you. ＞＞
>
> Obviously, it is; otherwise you'd go to this link
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1f777b00a7a1d4f8> ,
>
> To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail,
> or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you. ＞＞
>
> Obviously, it is; otherwise you'd go to this link
> Google Groups,
> to see how a REAL newsreader would handle it.
> [ Thunderbird is too hard for you, so I point to Google Groups ]
>
> Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, same as emacs
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs> .
> to see how a REAL newsreader would handle it.
> [ Thunderbird is too hard for you, so I point to Google Groups ]
>
> Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, same as emacs
>
You make many baseless claims. Did you know that. Your most amusing was how
you think Usenet is a form of email.
That was funny.
--
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds
Snit
May 18, 2013, 10:53:34 AM5/18/13
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On 5/17/13 10:56 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.17{22.56.Seattle.2013},
common with you. You should do more than just assume, you should strive to
understand.
> The charset ( UTF⋅8 ) is DETECTED, it's NOT a manual setting.
> Same for HTML; no manual settings required, it just works.
>
> Try it, you'll see; Thunderbird converts "text/HTML" to "text/plain".
You are again assuming I have not used Thunderbird - an assumption you have
been told is faulty. So you are repeating requests with assumptions you know
to be faulty. Or maybe you are not able to understand what you read. Either
way, your ability to hold a conversation on the topic of Usenet and Usenet
readers is very weak.
> Entourage, on the other hand, BORKS
> <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BORK> the conversion.
what I am doing given the nature of this medium. Here:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/RespondingToBrokenPosts.mp4>
> Are your feelings hurt, does it make your cry ?
> Were I you, I'd be saying, "Sorry Jeff Relf, I was all wrong".
>
> Quoting me, you wrote: ＜＜
>
>> It's using the "Mac?ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF·8,
>> and it's borking the <A> tags. That's on you, sorry. ＞＞
>
> That SHOULD be "Mac⁻ISO-2022-JP", not "Mac?ISO-2022-JP".
> '?' is NOT the same thing as '⁻', sorry; Entourage is borked.
The fact you are unable to figure out how to write non-HTML messages or,
perhaps worse, are opting to write them even though you might know how to
avoid doing so, is not something I should be held accountable for.
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> Now Entourage thinks UTF⋅8 is EUC⋅KR ! ? That's full on RETARDED, sorry.
Entourage is a program and does not "think". You are not a program, but your
thinking is in question as well. :)
> Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, sorry.
Oh, it is a lousy Usenet reader but not for the reasons you speak of.
> Again, it also borks the <A> tags.
A tags are a part of HTML, not standard text. Remember, this is a text
medium, not an HTML medium. You are confusing Usenet with the web.
> To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail,
> or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you.
See how you make absurd assumptions. I have used each of those (though
Windows Live Mail only briefly).
> Re: http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/SetFonts.png
You did not even quote that correctly!
> That doesn't even BEGIN to compare to the tweaks that I've made; to wit:
>
> My tweaks
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1f777b00a7a1d4f8>
What tweaks you have done are of no interest to me. I was responding to your
comment about tweaking fonts. I noted that was a trivial thing to do. You,
on the other hand, show great pride in doing things which knowledgeable
people consider trivial.
This is not bad - you present yourself as a non-technical person. I would be
proud to do something others would consider basic in a field I am not
proficient with, such as when I make improvements in a foreign language.
Foreign languages, like technology with you, do not come easy to me.
> Note: it's more than just font settings.
> I would give you the details,
> but I know you couldn't begin to understand.
You are not able to explain, which shows you likely do not understand. That
is OK. I cannot explain French verb conjugation well, either, and would not
likely try to in a public forum.
--
"Snit's so f*cking stupid he thinks the sigma lines are drawn based on
distance from the mean, not area under the curve." - Brad cc Wiggins
Fact: the first sigma is defined by the distance from the mean to the
inflection points.
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
>
> Were you ( Snit ) smart enough to TRY Thunderbird,
> you'd know what I was talking about. Sadly, you're not.
Again, you are making assumptions about what I know and do not know. This is
>
> Were you ( Snit ) smart enough to TRY Thunderbird,
> you'd know what I was talking about. Sadly, you're not.
common with you. You should do more than just assume, you should strive to
understand.
> The charset ( UTF⋅8 ) is DETECTED, it's NOT a manual setting.
> Same for HTML; no manual settings required, it just works.
>
> Try it, you'll see; Thunderbird converts "text/HTML" to "text/plain".
been told is faulty. So you are repeating requests with assumptions you know
to be faulty. Or maybe you are not able to understand what you read. Either
way, your ability to hold a conversation on the topic of Usenet and Usenet
readers is very weak.
> Entourage, on the other hand, BORKS
> This is a FACT; I see the FAIL when you quote UTF⋅8 or HTML.
You assume that I am not purposely converting your HTML to text, which is
what I am doing given the nature of this medium. Here:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/RespondingToBrokenPosts.mp4>
> Are your feelings hurt, does it make your cry ?
> Were I you, I'd be saying, "Sorry Jeff Relf, I was all wrong".
>
> Quoting me, you wrote: ＜＜
>
>> It's using the "Mac?ISO-2022-JP" charset, not UTF·8,
>> and it's borking the <A> tags. That's on you, sorry. ＞＞
>
> That SHOULD be "Mac⁻ISO-2022-JP", not "Mac?ISO-2022-JP".
> '?' is NOT the same thing as '⁻', sorry; Entourage is borked.
perhaps worse, are opting to write them even though you might know how to
avoid doing so, is not something I should be held accountable for.
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ÿ◊ú qú◊†è ¡†. ¶è®håp§ ÿ◊ú® Û§èπè† ®èå∂è® w¡ÏÏ ß®èåk †h¡πg§? Måÿßè π◊†. ‡†
§håÏÏ ßè å ƒúπ †è§†.
> Now Entourage thinks UTF⋅8 is EUC⋅KR ! ? That's full on RETARDED, sorry.
thinking is in question as well. :)
> Entourage is a backwater, redneck app, sorry.
> Again, it also borks the <A> tags.
medium, not an HTML medium. You are confusing Usenet with the web.
> To see it done properly, fire up Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail,
> or even Google Groups; but, again, that's WAY beyond you.
Windows Live Mail only briefly).
> Re: http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/SetFonts.png
You did not even quote that correctly!
> That doesn't even BEGIN to compare to the tweaks that I've made; to wit:
>
> My tweaks
What tweaks you have done are of no interest to me. I was responding to your
comment about tweaking fonts. I noted that was a trivial thing to do. You,
on the other hand, show great pride in doing things which knowledgeable
people consider trivial.
This is not bad - you present yourself as a non-technical person. I would be
proud to do something others would consider basic in a field I am not
proficient with, such as when I make improvements in a foreign language.
Foreign languages, like technology with you, do not come easy to me.
> Note: it's more than just font settings.
> I would give you the details,
> but I know you couldn't begin to understand.
is OK. I cannot explain French verb conjugation well, either, and would not
likely try to in a public forum.
--
"Snit's so f*cking stupid he thinks the sigma lines are drawn based on
distance from the mean, not area under the curve." - Brad cc Wiggins
Fact: the first sigma is defined by the distance from the mean to the
inflection points.
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Snit
May 18, 2013, 11:37:04 AM5/18/13
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On 5/18/13 8:15 AM, in article
1l32qaw.1rs3ahm1qicswbN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk, "Sn!pe"
<sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> ∆§ ƒå® å§ håπ∂Ï¡πg måπÿ çhå®åç†è®§, ‡ †h¡πk ¡† ¡§ §åƒè †◊ §åÿ †hå†
>> ∑π†®◊ú®ågè håπ∂Ïè§ †hèm ∫ú§† ƒ¡πè. ‡ åm çú®¡◊ú§ h◊w †h¡§ w¡ÏÏ "ç◊mè ßåçk" å§
>> ÿ◊ú qú◊†è ¡†. ¶è®håp§ ÿ◊ú® Û§èπè† ®èå∂è® w¡ÏÏ ß®èåk †h¡πg§? Måÿßè π◊†. ‡†
>> §håÏÏ ßè å ƒúπ †è§†.
>
> Looking good here, Snit.
But Jeff-Relf seems to believe this should not work with Entourage.
Could it be he is wrong? Is that even possible? I mean, after all, he knows
all about how Usenet is a form of email... with deep understanding of
Internet technology how could he be wrong? :)
--
"There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major
reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to
be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."
-- Linus Torvalds
1l32qaw.1rs3ahm1qicswbN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk, "Sn!pe"
<sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> ∆§ ƒå® å§ håπ∂Ï¡πg måπÿ çhå®åç†è®§, ‡ †h¡πk ¡† ¡§ §åƒè †◊ §åÿ †hå†
>> ∑π†®◊ú®ågè håπ∂Ïè§ †hèm ∫ú§† ƒ¡πè. ‡ åm çú®¡◊ú§ h◊w †h¡§ w¡ÏÏ "ç◊mè ßåçk" å§
>> ÿ◊ú qú◊†è ¡†. ¶è®håp§ ÿ◊ú® Û§èπè† ®èå∂è® w¡ÏÏ ß®èåk †h¡πg§? Måÿßè π◊†. ‡†
>> §håÏÏ ßè å ƒúπ †è§†.
>
But Jeff-Relf seems to believe this should not work with Entourage.
Could it be he is wrong? Is that even possible? I mean, after all, he knows
all about how Usenet is a form of email... with deep understanding of
Internet technology how could he be wrong? :)
--
"There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major
reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to
be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."
-- Linus Torvalds
Jeff-Relf.Me
May 18, 2013, 6:11:59 PM5/18/13
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Entourage ( Mr. Snit's newsreader ) can't detect/quote UTF⋅8 properly;
instead, it uses inappropriate charsets and converts glyphs to '?'.
This ( above ) is a FACT, I see him misquoting me time and again.
Google Groups, Mozilla Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail,
gMail, Hotmail and Yahoo properly detect/quote UTF⋅8.
Instead of admitting it, instead of acknowledging his faults,
he harps on "Usenet is unrelated to email" to cover up his FAIL.
He might as well be using BACKWATER emacs.
⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅
HTML <A> tags are useful, I put them in my CraigsList posts.
slrn could convert them to footnotes, by the way,
instead of forcing me to abandon <A> tags when addressing slrn users.
Why hasn't John E. Davis✼ hasn't commented on this ?
[ ✼: the man who wrote/maintains slrn ]
instead, it uses inappropriate charsets and converts glyphs to '?'.
This ( above ) is a FACT, I see him misquoting me time and again.
Google Groups, Mozilla Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail,
gMail, Hotmail and Yahoo properly detect/quote UTF⋅8.
Instead of admitting it, instead of acknowledging his faults,
he harps on "Usenet is unrelated to email" to cover up his FAIL.
He might as well be using BACKWATER emacs.
⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅
HTML <A> tags are useful, I put them in my CraigsList posts.
slrn could convert them to footnotes, by the way,
instead of forcing me to abandon <A> tags when addressing slrn users.
Why hasn't John E. Davis✼ hasn't commented on this ?
[ ✼: the man who wrote/maintains slrn ]
Snit
May 18, 2013, 6:41:38 PM5/18/13
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On 5/18/13 3:11 PM, in article Jeff-R...@May.18{15.11.Seattle.2013},
Entourage does not handle UTF-8 correctly then please show the evidence.
Then explain why it matters for someone such as me who uses English-only
groups where ASCII is sufficient.
Bottom line: you will not.
You are trying to sound knowledgeable and intelligent... but you are
failing.
> instead, it uses inappropriate charsets and converts glyphs to '?'.
> This ( above ) is a FACT, I see him misquoting me time and again.
You have already been shown that I convert your poorly formatted messages to
plain text:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/RespondingToBrokenPosts.mp4>
> Google Groups, Mozilla Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail,
> gMail, Hotmail and Yahoo properly detect/quote UTF⋅8.
>
> Instead of admitting it, instead of acknowledging his faults,
My faults? Even if Entourage has a problem it is surely not *my* fault. And
I am not the one having the problem with it. You claim to be.
> he harps on "Usenet is unrelated to email" to cover up his FAIL.
You have yet to note my "failing"... but you are avoiding your own "fail":
Jeff-Relf:
-----
Usenet is a form of email.
-----
Most anything that can handle emails, also handles Usenet; including
HTML emails/posts.
-----
You also claimed it took you weeks to configure Windows 8, a task most users
do in much less time, and showed great pride in minor capabilities such as
configuring a mouse or setting fonts.
You simply are not technically knowledgeable. That is fine. I am poor with
foreign languages. We each have strengths and weaknesses.
> He might as well be using BACKWATER emacs.
In my UNIX command line days, I never was an emacs fan. I preferred vi for
editing and tin for Usenet.
> ⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅
> HTML <A> tags are useful, I put them in my CraigsList posts.
I doubt many people would buy an A tag!
> slrn could convert them to footnotes, by the way,
> instead of forcing me to abandon <A> tags when addressing slrn users.
>
> Why hasn't John E. Davis✼ hasn't commented on this ?
> [ ✼: the man who wrote/maintains slrn ]
--
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
> Entourage ( Mr. Snit's newsreader ) can't detect/quote UTF⋅8 properly;
While it is the Usenet reader I use, it is not mine. But if you think
> Entourage ( Mr. Snit's newsreader ) can't detect/quote UTF⋅8 properly;
Entourage does not handle UTF-8 correctly then please show the evidence.
Then explain why it matters for someone such as me who uses English-only
groups where ASCII is sufficient.
Bottom line: you will not.
You are trying to sound knowledgeable and intelligent... but you are
failing.
> instead, it uses inappropriate charsets and converts glyphs to '?'.
> This ( above ) is a FACT, I see him misquoting me time and again.
plain text:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/RespondingToBrokenPosts.mp4>
> Google Groups, Mozilla Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail,
> gMail, Hotmail and Yahoo properly detect/quote UTF⋅8.
>
> Instead of admitting it, instead of acknowledging his faults,
I am not the one having the problem with it. You claim to be.
> he harps on "Usenet is unrelated to email" to cover up his FAIL.
Jeff-Relf:
-----
Usenet is a form of email.
-----
Most anything that can handle emails, also handles Usenet; including
HTML emails/posts.
-----
You also claimed it took you weeks to configure Windows 8, a task most users
do in much less time, and showed great pride in minor capabilities such as
configuring a mouse or setting fonts.
You simply are not technically knowledgeable. That is fine. I am poor with
foreign languages. We each have strengths and weaknesses.
> He might as well be using BACKWATER emacs.
editing and tin for Usenet.
> ⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅
> HTML <A> tags are useful, I put them in my CraigsList posts.
> slrn could convert them to footnotes, by the way,
> instead of forcing me to abandon <A> tags when addressing slrn users.
>
> Why hasn't John E. Davis✼ hasn't commented on this ?
> [ ✼: the man who wrote/maintains slrn ]
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds
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Steve
May 21, 2013, 5:43:46 AM5/21/13
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Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote in news:Jeff-R...@May.18{15.11.Seattle.2013}:
> Entourage ( Mr. Snit's newsreader ) can't detect/quote UTF�<.8 properly;
Get a job, or a hobby, you tedious cunt.
> Entourage ( Mr. Snit's newsreader ) can't detect/quote UTF�<.8 properly;
> instead, it uses inappropriate charsets and converts glyphs to '?'.
So fucking what.
Get a job, or a hobby, you tedious cunt.
chrisv
May 21, 2013, 8:19:12 AM5/21/13
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Steve wrote:
>Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote
*plonk*
>Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote
*plonk*
Steve
May 21, 2013, 8:28:20 AM5/21/13
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chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:fhpmp8hfq0q9jb028...@4ax.com:
> Steve wrote:
>
>>Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote
>
> *plonk*
I'm sure you've plonked me before, nitwit.
news:fhpmp8hfq0q9jb028...@4ax.com:
> Steve wrote:
>
>>Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote
>
> *plonk*
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Nun the Wizer
May 21, 2013, 7:28:04 PM5/21/13
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Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>ITYF he's
>
>plank
>plank
>
A few more of those and he'd be Max. Plank.
--
Nun the Wizer
>
>plank
>plank
>
A few more of those and he'd be Max. Plank.
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Nun the Wizer
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