Official Thunderbird Conversations feedback thread

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Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 9, 2011, 5:56:28 AM3/9/11
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Thunderbird Conversations is still under active development, and I'm about to release a 2.0a3 version that will be compatible with the upcoming Thunderbird 3.3a3. Thunderbird Conversations includes a "would like to leave some feedback" popup window that encourages you to share some thoughts about the addon. It currently redirects to UserVoice, but Mozilla Messaging experiments are moving away from this feedback channel, and encouraging the use of the mozilla-labs groups instead. This is the topic that welcomes user feedback regarding Thunderbird Conversations.

Development version: http://jonathan.xulforum.org/files/gcv-nightlies/ (warning, requires tomorrow's Thunderbird nightly, at the time of this writing)
Stable version: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/54035/ (install it through Thunderbird, from Tools > Add-ons)
GitHub: https://github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View
FAQ, Questions: https://github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View/wiki

jonathan

Frank J.

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Mar 9, 2011, 2:00:19 PM3/9/11
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hi,
just want to tell you that I love the gallery view...
Thx and regards
Frank J.

Frank J.

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Mar 15, 2011, 5:01:04 AM3/15/11
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Hi,
found another bug.
if you open a gallery view and close thunderbird, open thunderbird again then the tab is restore but the gallery is not shown (says undefined).
and another one concerning the lightning-integration:
if I open an email with an (already processed) event and change to one without a event it is still shown that the event (from the previous mail) is already processed
Regards
Frank J.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 15, 2011, 5:18:19 AM3/15/11
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Hi,

On Tue 15 Mar 2011 10:01:04 AM CET, Frank J. wrote:
> Hi,
> found another bug.
> if you open a gallery view and close thunderbird, open thunderbird again
> then the tab is restore but the gallery is not shown (says undefined).

What exactly says "undefined"? Could you possibly send a screenshot or
give me (through copy/paste) the error message from Tools > Error
console, if any?


> and another one concerning the lightning-integration:
> if I open an email with an (already processed) event and change to one
> without a event it is still shown that the event (from the previous
> mail) is already processed

Philipp Kewisch (:Fallen) wrote the Lightning integration plugin, and
he's been notified about the bug. He says it's on his to-do list :-).

Thanks for the feedback!

jonathan
> Regards
> Frank J.
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Frank J.

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Mar 15, 2011, 7:55:15 AM3/15/11
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oh I tricked myself with the gallery view thing, I opened the tab, then deleted the message (because it was to big and not useful anymore) and then closed thunderbird and then the title of the tabs says galler view undefined...
So its mainly my fault, but maybe its possible to not restore gallery views for deleted messages.
Thank you for your quick reply
Frank J.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 15, 2011, 9:27:34 AM3/15/11
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That's what I thought. I'll try to fix this for the next version, 2.0a3
is about to be released.

Gilberto Olimpio

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Mar 17, 2011, 1:34:24 AM3/17/11
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I can't see the emails I've sent on the conversations any more (only the ones I've received).
Is there something I have to set up (It was working before).

Thanks,

Gilberto

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 17, 2011, 4:24:28 AM3/17/11
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Sorry, I meant *enabled*.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 17, 2011, 4:24:13 AM3/17/11
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You should check under your Preferences, in the Advanced section, in
the General tab, that "Enable Global Search and Indexer" is disabled.
- Does this happen for all conversations?
- What happens if you go into your sent folder, and select the message
you sent?

jonathan

On Thu 17 Mar 2011 06:34:24 AM CET, Gilberto Olimpio wrote:

David Bienvenu

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Mar 17, 2011, 1:59:44 PM3/17/11
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Newer version of Conversations was not working for me at all - it turned out that I had some news server accounts with identities that didn't have an e-mail address, so conversations was bailing out because a call to id.email was throwing an exception.

In particular, this code fails:

function fillIdentities() {
for each (let id in fixIterator(msgAccountManager.allIdentities, Ci.nsIMsgIdentity)) {
gIdentities[id.email.toLowerCase()] = id;
}
gIdentities["default"] = msgAccountManager.defaultAccount.defaultIdentity;
}


- David

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 17, 2011, 3:57:32 PM3/17/11
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For other people who may have been experiencing this rare situation, a
new version (alpha5) has been released, and it should hopefully fix the
issue.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/versions/

Gilberto Olimpio

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Mar 20, 2011, 7:28:15 PM3/20/11
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It's already enabled.
- Today I have a conversation with only one sent message included on it (it was supposed to be 4 sent messages).
- If I go to the sent folder and click on the conversation, I can see all the messages (including the received ones).

(I've updated it to the last version from your personal website)

thanks,

Gilberto

Gilberto Olimpio

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Mar 20, 2011, 11:29:07 PM3/20/11
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It's working again (at least that conversation that I've reported before).
I did nothing but change between 2 themes (default -> silvermel -> default).

Thanks,

Gilberto

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 21, 2011, 4:45:09 AM3/21/11
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I think this was just a problem related to Gloda failing to index the
messages you sent in a timely manner. The action about that takes place
on <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534449>.

Thanks for the error reporting,

jonathan

Ian Thomas

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Mar 21, 2011, 6:47:16 AM3/21/11
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Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the expected behaviour, but I often see multiple entries in my inbox for a single conversation. If I click on one of these then I get the full conversation, and if I archive / delete then it moves all the entries.

Surely I should only ever see the most recent email in the conversation?

Regards,
Ian

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 21, 2011, 6:55:08 AM3/21/11
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I think you should make sure you have selected View > Sort By >
Threaded. This is the expected behavior, I've written over the weekend
a short user guide that should hopefully be part of the Thunderbird
FLOSS manual. In the meanwhile, I suggest you watch the screencast from
http://mozillalabs.com/messaging/2010/12/07/announcing-thunderbird-conversations/

jonathan

Ian Thomas

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Mar 21, 2011, 12:59:10 PM3/21/11
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Thanks, turning threading on certainly helps, but it still seems a bit weird to see the multiple entries. Surely anything that Thunderbird is threading is a conversation, and therefore any of the items in the thread should display all items from the conversation?

Ian

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 21, 2011, 4:31:32 PM3/21/11
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I'm afraid I don't understand. Make sure you hit View > Threads >
Collapse all threads. Then, one line = one conversation.

Leho Kraav

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Mar 22, 2011, 3:53:08 AM3/22/11
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(note: i'm a non-gmail user)

is it possible/feasible to make Space-key act as a single-key thread browser? i.e. select thread, hit space to pagedn, when first message ends, next message is automatically selected, space to scroll down again, etc, when final message is read, hitting space also moves focus back to thread pane.

having to tab into and in your head sort of maintain info about being or not being in conversations focus just doesn't seem right.

Leho Kraav

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Mar 22, 2011, 8:17:39 AM3/22/11
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Leho Kraav

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Mar 22, 2011, 9:02:21 AM3/22/11
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is there a way to do away with the message pane and assign Enter key to open all new tabs from thread pane with Conversations? i think that might be an unprecedented jump in TB mail reading usability. so tired of having to feel like i'm forced to look at e-mail through a keyhole yet it's way too much work to do it in any other way.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 22, 2011, 9:17:23 AM3/22/11
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That's a valid concern, which has been raised by several people before.
Please note that the first button in the conversation toolbar does
precisely that (although the wording, which reads "save this
conversation in a new tab", is not very clear — this has been fixed
since then). Apart from that, the latest development version available
at http://jonathan.xulforum.org/files/gcv-nightlies/ will open a
conversation in a new tab if you hit enter or double-click on a thread
in the message list. I'm still waiting to see if that's a viable
option, though. It might interfere with other scenarios which I haven't
thought of yet, so any feedback will be most welcome.

Reg

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Mar 23, 2011, 7:23:15 PM3/23/11
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Thunderbird conversations is an interesting add-on, and the main reason I tried it was the attachment previewer that creates handy thumbnails of the attached files at the end of the email. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work the way I expected (similar to Windows Live Mail attachment previewer), and it is only working on Miramar 3.3 (Thunderbird pre-release). I sure hope the attachment previewer improves, for it is the only add-on for Thunderbird promising this unique, but important function. Thanks.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 23, 2011, 7:35:01 PM3/23/11
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On Thu 24 Mar 2011 12:23:15 AM CET, Reg wrote:
> Thunderbird conversations is an interesting add-on, and the main reason
> I tried it was the attachment previewer that creates handy thumbnails of
> the attached files at the end of the email. Unfortunately it doesn't
> seem to work the way I expected
Can you elaborate on that?

Rich Renomeron

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Mar 24, 2011, 10:38:13 PM3/24/11
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I really like this addon.   It's enough to make me run Miramar, with all its rough edges (and Lightning nightlies), as my primary email program for the time being.  It might even make me learn git, so I can poke around at the source.

One thing I don't like about it is that the font is way too small on my setup.  I set my default font size smaller than the default (13) so using the wide view is manageable.  Since Conversations sets its "default" size to 75% of whatever the user sets, the result is 9 or 10px.  And what's worse, it doesn't apply the shrink factor consistently -- when displaying email I get from people using Outlook, the font size is the same as the "classic" mail reader.  I'm sure that's because of some CSS subtlety, but I haven't really looked into it.

So I usually run a slightly modified version where I change the textSize in the PostStreamingFixesMixIn in message.js to 1.0 * defaultSize, instead of 12/16 * defaultSize.  What I'd like to see is a preference that would make this "Shrink Factor" customizable (via the config editor, at least for now), with a default of 0.75.  I'll gladly code it up (I'm at least halfway there anyway) when I get some time, hopefully in the next week or so.

The other problem I've noticed is that after I encounter a message with a meeting invite in it, the iMIP bar (i.e "This message contains an invitation to an event; Tentative/Decline/Accept) shows up in every message displayed thereafter.  Not sure why that happens.

Thanks!

Rich

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Leho Kraav

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Mar 25, 2011, 3:08:57 AM3/25/11
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thanks for the feedback. if you got a moment please transfer the feature ideas and quirks to github issues and add your vote to existing ones, increases the chance of anyone doing something about them.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 25, 2011, 4:44:10 AM3/25/11
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Hi Rich,

First of all, thanks for all the feedback.


On 03/25/2011 03:38 AM, Rich Renomeron wrote:
I really like this addon.   It's enough to make me run Miramar, with all its rough edges (and Lightning nightlies), as my primary email program for the time being.  It might even make me learn git, so I can poke around at the source.

One thing I don't like about it is that the font is way too small on my setup.  I set my default font size smaller than the default (13) so using the wide view is manageable.  Since Conversations sets its "default" size to 75% of whatever the user sets, the result is 9 or 10px.  And what's worse, it doesn't apply the shrink factor consistently -- when displaying email I get from people using Outlook, the font size is the same as the "classic" mail reader.  I'm sure that's because of some CSS subtlety, but I haven't really looked into it.

So I usually run a slightly modified version where I change the textSize in the PostStreamingFixesMixIn in message.js to 1.0 * defaultSize, instead of 12/16 * defaultSize.  What I'd like to see is a preference that would make this "Shrink Factor" customizable (via the config editor, at least for now), with a default of 0.75.  I'll gladly code it up (I'm at least halfway there anyway) when I get some time, hopefully in the next week or so.
This issue has been reported more and more over the last week, so I guess I need to do something about it. And yes, there are some subtle issues with CSS, and the fact that some messages sent by Outlook enforce a font size regardless of what the user uses as a default font size. But that's irrelevant to what I'm about to discuss now.

I doubt I'll be able to find a solution that satisfies everyone's needs, and I don't think the shrink factor should be put as a pref... The main issue is that Andy (the Mozilla Messaging designer) has made a mockup with fixed-size fonts everywhere, using px sizes. While this gives a great consistent look, it does not play well with users changing their default sizes.
- Default font size is 16px on Linux and Windows, 17px on Mac.
- Andy made his design so that it expects a 12px font size for the message bodies.
- Changing the default font size affects the message bodies, but not the conversation chrome (conversation chrome = everything outside the message bodies: title, contacts, quick reply, etc.).

The current solution is:
- use 12px fixed-size for the conversation chrome (this is the initial design choice),
- use 75% of the default font size for the message bodies (i.e. roughly 12px).

The advantages are:
- if the user chose to have bigger fonts, this means the message bodies are bigger as well (restart required, Thunderbird Conversations doesn't pick that up on-the-fly yet),
- the conversation chrome stays consistent at 12px.

What would be needed now is to tweak the CSS to use relative font sizes for the conversation chrome as well, so that if the user prefers to have bigger fonts, the conversation chrome is bigger as well. This is especially difficult since everything has been designed with 12px in mind: margins, buttons height, offsets, etc. etc. But this is probably the right thing to do. Bryan had started work on this, but there was an issue with the height of the buttons.

In your case, this means you would have a conversation chrome that's *smaller* than what you have now, but consistent with the smaller message size too. I'm afraid this is the right thing to do: you asked for a smaller display font, so this means the conversation is smaller as well. Asking for a smaller display font makes everything smaller: websites in content tabs, the start page... However, you will be able to fix this easily by focusing the conversation, and hitting Ctrl/Cmd and +, to use the zoom feature and increase the font sizes in the conversation only.

I hope this answers your concern! I'll definitely fix this for the next release.

jonathan

The other problem I've noticed is that after I encounter a message with a meeting invite in it, the iMIP bar (i.e "This message contains an invitation to an event; Tentative/Decline/Accept) shows up in every message displayed thereafter.  Not sure why that happens.

Thanks!

Rich

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Frank J.

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Mar 26, 2011, 10:42:55 AM3/26/11
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Hi,
found something else that is breaking user experience:
if you are writing a quickreply and get another mail in the thread (for example reading-notification) the new mail kills the quick reply window (forever).
As the reading-notification is the last new message there seems to be no way to get back to the quickreply window.
Thx
Frank J.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 28, 2011, 5:25:30 PM3/28/11
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So what you mean is if a new message arrives in the thread, we lose the
current quick reply? This is very weird because I've tried my best to
make sure this does not happen. Could it be you were in a state where
the save button of the quick reply was disabled? That would explain
what you witnessed...

Frank J.

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Mar 28, 2011, 5:36:28 PM3/28/11
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hmm...
maybe it is because the Return Receipt is a message that is send earlier the one with the reply window
or because it is in a different folder
I dont know
when is the save button disabled?
I dont know if it was disabled. Sorry. If I see it again I will watch closely.
Regards.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 28, 2011, 5:44:13 PM3/28/11
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The save button is disabled when Gloda has not indexed your message
yet. Gloda assigns each conversation a unique id, which allows us to
associate a draft to a conversation. If Gloda has not indexed your
message, there's no underlying conversation, which means we have no key
to associate the draft to, which the only (hopefully, rare) where it
might happen that the quick reply is "lost"...

Rich Renomeron

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Mar 28, 2011, 9:46:29 PM3/28/11
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Jonathan,

Thanks for the explanation.  I'm with you on the "smaller display font = smaller chrome" issue, but after thinking about it some, I think there might be an unintended side effect with the message composer.

I tried running with the default font sizes (16px) today, and the conversations looked fine, as the 75% resize was close to what I was using with the classic reader.  But when I used the composer, the text was so large it was a distraction, especially when compared to what I was seeing in the Conversations pane.

For now, I got around the large-text issue in the composer by using a userContent.css file (body { text-size: 75%;}), and now the composer and Conversations are in harmony.  Maybe this could be one of the (optional) tweaks that Conversations does on first install?  Certainly a more sustainable path for me than maintaining a private git repo with my 1-line change. :)

Thanks,
Rich

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Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 29, 2011, 3:09:37 AM3/29/11
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I do agree that the composer font seems exceedingly large now in
comparison. Bryan, do you have any thoughts on this issue?

Frank J.

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Mar 29, 2011, 3:22:40 AM3/29/11
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hmm maybe thats the reason...
but if I am sitting at my pc and receive a new mail thats a pretty common scenario
Maybe it is possible to check if the quickreply is in use to prevent thats it is getting killed by new mails?
Thx anyway

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 29, 2011, 3:27:31 AM3/29/11
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Do you mean that the quick reply actually *disappears*, as in "the
quick reply is definitely gone", or do you mean that you lose the text
you had typed so far?

Frank J.

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Mar 29, 2011, 3:30:46 AM3/29/11
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the quick reply window was not displayed anymore... because there was another (newer) message in the thread

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 29, 2011, 3:31:45 AM3/29/11
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Oh that's a different issue, I thought you meant you lost the draft you
had typed so far. Forget what I said before.

When a new message arrives, the quick reply is moved to the last
message in the thread. You should make sure it is expanded if you want
to see the quick reply. Are there any errors in Tools > Error console?

Reg

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Mar 29, 2011, 9:56:21 AM3/29/11
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When I tested on Miramar, I expected to see small inline thumbnail grid of all attached pics whenever I opened an email. After a while I realized that only happens if you open the email in a new tab using the small button (square with arrow pointing top-right), not in a new window as I always do. When I tried that, I got thumbnails to show at the bottom of the email, and even the option for gallery view. It was great. Sadly this way didn't work for all messages that had pics attached, for reasons I couldn't figure out.

I guess sometimes it shows other times it doesn't. Either way it would be nice if it the pic series could open into an external viewer, so even if a thumbnail gallery doesn't work, at least an external slide gallery might. Miramar couldn't do that for multiple pics (only individual pics), and neither did the addon, hence it didn't work as expected. Having said that, the included gallery view is a good alternative (when it does work), although an inline thumbnail-grid that's always available, would really be great. Thanks.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Mar 29, 2011, 10:13:20 AM3/29/11
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It is surprising that the attached images should not be thumbnailed. Is
it a message that just arrived? Is it a message that's stored on a
remote IMAP folder? Are you on a slow connexion? Did you have no
attachment listing at all (i.e. not even the filenames), or was it just
the thumbnails that were slow to arrive?

Thanks,

jonathan

Reg

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Mar 29, 2011, 12:14:08 PM3/29/11
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They were old messages stored in local folders and POP inbox (hotmail on Miramar). Actually I'm on a fast connection of 14 megabits. None were IMAP. Even the attachment listing was missing, except when I switched to the classic reader at which point the listing became visible.

However, now I notice if I move the problematic messages to my IMAP folder (Gmail on Miramar) then the thumbnail feature seems to work, although not when you open the message in a new window, only if you use the special button (square with arrow).

Further, if I move them back from IMAP to their original local folders, some messages that were previously not showing, now started to show the thumbnails. This fixed the messages, some only partially (only showing listing: no thumbs), but at least gallery view was now available on all of them, even the partially fixed messages. On the emails that still showed no thumbnails I waited for ever, and retried a few times, but they simply would not appear.

Clearly the problem does not occur on IMAP, but only on local and POP folders. By moving them back and forth though IMAP, some got (partially) fixed. Hope this helps a bit. Thanks, Reg.

nighthawk

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Apr 2, 2011, 3:36:57 PM4/2/11
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I've been trying Thunderbird Conversions for over a week. It works well in the main inbox but within specific folders it doesn't seem to groupd emails in a conversion type way.

Otherwise no problems so far.

Thanks

Ashley

Jonathan Protzenko

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Apr 4, 2011, 4:22:18 AM4/4/11
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Hi Ashley,

Only the main inbox does have the threaded view by default. You can
enable it for other folders by hitting View > Sort By > Threaded in the
menus when you're in any other folder.

jonathan

Chris Fleming

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Apr 4, 2011, 5:45:05 AM4/4/11
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I'm really loving using Conversations. However, I have had to turn it off on one of the computers that I use to read mailing lists due to performance issues. I found that in some very long threads opening messages can take up to 10 seconds which is much too long. So for me performance has to be improved and/or the ability to enable  and disable conversations on a per folder basis.

Cheers
Chris 

Trent Hill

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Apr 6, 2011, 8:34:44 PM4/6/11
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Just wanted to say thank you for this mod.
There's still bugs (for instance if I enter a folder and immediately open a coversation thread before thunderbird has finished syncing the folder contents, I can end up with just headers instead of email content) but it's 100% better than standard threading in any other email client.

Adam Kruszewski

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Apr 12, 2011, 7:10:09 AM4/12/11
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First of all big thanks for this extension! Overally it is the most beautiful extension for thunderbird I ever saw.
There is only one thing I'll like to see in it in the future (but probably it is a very hard to make) -- ability to drag & drop attachements from e-mail directly to folder on disk (standard thunderbird attachements list have this functionality).

Cheers!
a.

Ron Wilhoite

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Apr 17, 2011, 9:36:00 PM4/17/11
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I'm really enjoying Conversations. It is helping with withdrawals from Gmail because I can no longer POP work email into Gmail. Miramar is slightly frustrating because it takes approximately 10 minutes to become responsive on first start. This does not appear to be a Conversations problem because it takes the same length of time if I disable Conversations.

Leho Kraav

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Apr 18, 2011, 3:25:56 AM4/18/11
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SSD is probably your solution. Unless you already have one and also have a gazillion mails and folders.

Bistok Diiel Lelono

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Apr 27, 2011, 11:37:54 PM4/27/11
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hi,
this addon is awesome..
but i think i found a bug:
i can't change back the layout to vertical view, but i can change between classical view and wide view.

regards
bistok dl

Jonathan Protzenko

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Apr 28, 2011, 12:19:39 PM4/28/11
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Hi,

Could you please make sure the error doesn't appear when Thunderbird
Conversations is disabled? Then, please come over to the GitHub issue
tracker at <https://github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View/issues>.
Please file a new issue with the exact steps to reproduce, and any
relevant output from Tools > Error Console. Thanks!

jonathan

Fabio

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Apr 30, 2011, 2:57:30 AM4/30/11
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Very very useful add-on!

So far only one problem I was able to spot.  I use Rikaichan addon for reading Japanese emails and with conversations' email I can t directly use this add-on.  I have to open the email on  separate tab and then use the add-on.

Other that that, good job!

Fabio

Jonathan Protzenko

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Apr 30, 2011, 3:42:01 AM4/30/11
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Hi,

I suggest you contact the Rikaichan author, and ask him to write a
Thunderbird Conversations plugin. The Lightning author wrote a
lightning plugin already, and we also have a Enigmail plugin as well in
the tree. More generally, if your favorite addon doesn't work with
Conversations, your best bet is to point the addon's author to this
page
<http://blog.xulforum.org/index.php?post/2010/11/27/Thunderbird-Conversations-plugins>.

Thanks for the feedback!

jonathan

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Hello,

I just installed Thunderbird 3.3 beta and Conversations, first impression I like a lot, thanks and congratulations for the good work ! It's better than similar Gmail conversation view.

I'd just have a little request, as a configuration option if possible.

The extension presents mails received as "XXXX to Me".

My problem : I use Thunderbird with an Imap Spamcop account, which collects mails from about 20 of my addresses - for business, family, friends, social networks, buying on Internet etc... each for a specific purpose.

And I want to see, even if I configured a lot of filters, to which address is sent each mail. Here it is possible when I hover the "Me", mail address appears, but I'd like to get it directly in the bar.

In Thunderbird 3 I had the same issue, it wrote "You" for the mails addressed to myself, I stopped it with addon "Disable You" : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/disable-you/

But this addon is useless with Thunderbird Conversations as it overrides Thunderbird presentation.

So please is it possible to add an option to display the whole email address instead of "Me" ?

Thanks in advance. Xavier

Ben Frank

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Hey - first off, thanks for the plugin it's great. I have my 'archive' stored in local folders, rather than on the same machine as my inbox. This seems to cause a problem when searching for other messages in a thread - I don't get any messages that are in my archive. I've added the archive to the unified inbox, but this didn't seem to help - but switching my archive to the same server as my inbox did. Is this a bug / feature, or am I doing something wrong?

-Ben

Jonathan Protzenko

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This sounds like the messages from your archive are not indexed
properly. Have you excluded that archive from "global search results"?

Richard Hurt

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Just wanted to say that I really like Conversations, enough to run Miramar.  Keep up the good work.  

However, like some others on the list, my font size is a bit small in some circumstances.  I'm running on OS X 10.6 with a pretty big screen and some text is so small that I have a hard time reading it, while others are just fine.  We do have a lot of Outlook users so it probably has something to do with that but I've not really taken the time to dig into it.

Thanx!
  Richard

Dave Conradie

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Absolutely love this add-on.  Conversation View is my favourite part of the Gmail UX, so having it in Thunderbird is, as they say... priceless.

kibi13

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Hi, I've just discovered Thunderbird Conversations.

I'm using Thunderbird 3.1.10 on Windows XP. When I try to install "Conversations" I get a message that the plug-in is not compatible.

Could you please tell me if this happens because the plug-in is geared towards the Thunderbird beta version? I am reluctant to use the beta version because I don't want to be responsible if something "breaks".

cheers
Anna

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

This is all explained in
http://wiki.github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View/faq (this is
linked as "FAQ" from the addons.mozilla.org page).

Cheers,

jonathan

andreamonni

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Hi there - I installed Conversations and I find pretty good, I'd like to tweak it in the following way:
  • keep the default Inbox, with all messages in chronological order;
  • switch to conversation view when I double click on a message in the message/subject list.
Is it possible to set it up in such a way?

Andrea

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

On Wed 25 May 2011 05:40:25 AM CEST, andreamonni wrote:
> Hi there - I installed Conversations and I find pretty good, I'd like to
> tweak it in the following way:
>

> * keep the default Inbox, with all messages in chronological order;
Use the View > Sort By > ... menus to tweak the way messages are
displayed. Try View > Sort By > Unthreaded.
> * switch to conversation view when I double click on a message in the
> message/subject list.
The latest dev builds have that feature already: please try out the
latest build at <http://jonathan.xulforum.org/files/gcv-nightlies/>.


>
> Is it possible to set it up in such a way?
>
> Andrea

Thanks for the feedback,

jonathan

Andrea Monni

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Hi Jonathan - thanks for the quick reply, I'll wait for the next
release to try the new setup. When do you reckon it'll be out?

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Andrei

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I've been using conversations for work and its great being able to see a chain of emails. One thing I've noticed is sometimes sent messages dont get linked to the chain and are separate. Not sure why this happens, but otherwise its a great product.  Keep up the great work!!

Jonathan Protzenko

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If you are running Shredder (i.e. the trunk builds), there's a round of
improvements in there that should make the issue almost non-existent...

Thanks for the feedback,

jonathan

delu

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Hi,

I'm currently using Thunderbird Conversations 2.0alpha5, and I love it so far. However, I do have two suggestions/feature requests - would it be possible to implement a toggle to 1) show the date of the last email in the conversation in the unexpanded conversation, instead of the first email and 2) show the number of emails in a conversation in the title? By title/unexpanded conversation, I mean the bar/email with the date/subject/between, etc.

delu

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Additionally, would it also be possible to bold an unexpanded conversation with unread emails in it?

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion. This discussion is already happening on
Bugzilla :-), see <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622779>.

jonathan

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

I don't understand. What part of the UI exactly should I bold? The row
in the message list? The conversation title in the conversation area?

jonathan

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> Additionally, would it also be possible to bold an unexpanded
> conversation with unread emails in it?

delu

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Currently, when you receive a new email in Thunderbird that is not
part of a conversation, the row in the message list is bolded. If a
new email arrives in a conversation, the row is not bolded unless you
expand the thread to show all the emails within the thread.

On May 29, 3:16 pm, Jonathan Protzenko <jonathan.protze...@gmail.com>
wrote:

John Harris

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It's wonderful to now have my sent messages threaded with the rest of the conversation -- many thanks for writing this plugin. (Threaded messages are otherwise useless, IMO).

Unfortunately, it comes at the expense of losing the reply buttons that used to be at the top of the message pane. I see that you've created new Delete, Archive, etc. buttons up there, which is great, But I have to scroll down to the bottom of a message to access the reply/forward buttons, which is frustrating. I hope you can add the Reply/All/Forward buttons into the same fixed button area as the other actions.

Having UI buttons scroll with the message, and sometimes be off-screen, and be separated from the other actions, all seem like less-than-ideal UI design.

Thanks for any consideration,

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John

Trent Hill

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It makes sense to remove the top level "reply" button and replace it
with message specifc ones though.
Lets say you have a conversational thread involving 8 people, 3 of
whom have responded since you last looked at the conversation.
This way, you are encouraged to read ALL the responses before chiming
in again.
If you wish to make individual responses, that's still possible.
No loss of functionality - just a change in process.

Aka

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The addon is awesome... Improves the usability portion as well as style quotient. There are bugs that needs to be smoothed, especially when handling attachments.

John Harris

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Thanks for your response Trent. I admit I didn't consider the message-
specific reply needs, and at least now I understand the reason for the
change. But while those bottom reply buttons therefore need to be
there, I still disagree with the removal of the always-accessible ones
at the top. I'm using this only for work-related messaging that is
normally monitored, and thus the vast majority of replies (for me)
will be to either single messages, or single posts to conversations.
As yet, I have never used one of the inter-message reply buttons.

As a work-around, I've started using the right-click popup menu to
compose my replies. Certainly easier than scrolling to the reply
buttons, but obviously not as nice as static buttons. Hopefully the
developer can still consider top-level reply buttons that do the same
thing as the context menu option, but in a more convenient UI gadget.

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On May 31, 10:06 pm, Trent Hill <mountaineer1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It makes sense to remove the top level "reply" button and replace it
> with message specifc ones though.
> Lets say you have a conversational thread involving 8 people, 3 of
> whom have responded since you last looked at the conversation.
> This way, you are encouraged to read ALL the responses before chiming
> in again.
> If you wish to make individual responses, that's still possible.
> No loss of functionality - just a change in process.
>
> On Jun 1, 9:19 am, John Harris <froggerj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>

Fjodor F. Fjodor

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Hey, great work! thanks a lot. I use v2alpha5 on TB 5 beta. I very much like the inline reply feature. 
One button I miss: after expanding the list of recipients there is no short way to collapse it again.
Also, is there a way to change the ordering of mails such that the newest message is at the top?

Jonathan Protzenko

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I used to have the option to reverse the order of messages but it was
such a pain to maintain with all the logic for tabbing, keyboard
shortcuts, appending messages to a live conversation that I removed it
during the big rewrite last year. As to collapsing back the list of
recipients, I'll see if someone can find a valid UI mockup for that
action.

Thanks for the feedback!

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babak

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Jun 12, 2011, 9:40:52 PM6/12/11
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Hi there,

it doesn't work with thunderbird 3.1.10. hope you can fix this

cheers

Jonathan Protzenko

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No. Please read the FAQ
<http://wiki.github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View/faq>.

Cheers,

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Maddy

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Extremely good, I love this addon, the threaded view and the look and being able to reply directly
is amazing.

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Kassick

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Jun 13, 2011, 10:27:23 PM6/13/11
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The threaded view and inline reply look great and work quite fine! Congrats!

Issues with the current available version (20110609-master):
* Opening a long thread (i have one here with almost 400 emails) takes too long
* The setup assistant fails to apply the default settings (threaded view, sort by date, between-field, number of unread messages) to all the inboxes -- only to the one that was selected when tb opened after installing the extension.
* The between field misbehaves if I use "Group by Date"

Now I wonder when the will message list pane be revamped just like you guys did with the message view ;)

andreamonni

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I installed the latest beta (for some kind of reason I didn't realize there had been a few betas out since I last posted!) on TB5b2 and I tweaked it as you suggested and it's working great... thanks and congratulations!

Now we only need Compose in a Tab and Contacts working again (and possibly better)! :)

Andrea

tbirdrules

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Jun 23, 2011, 2:05:59 PM6/23/11
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Hi Jonathan,

Is there a way to use the Conversions addon but use the default visuals of an email?

I find it off-putting seeing a more graphical version of the thread, when I am used to quite plain text.

Nick

Jonathan Protzenko

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I'm not sure I understand the question, but uninstall the addon and
hitting View > Sort by > Threaded afterwards (in the menus) might just
be what you want.

jonathan

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Nick Kisberg

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Hi Jonathan,

What I meant is - I want to main the Conversions addon use, it's great,
but I dislike the visuals compared to the standard (how a
non-conversions email/thread looks is better imo)

Is there a way to do this?

Jonathan Protzenko

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I don't think so, sorry.

jonathan

Macarthur Inbody

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One thing that I'd love to see is for it to use more 'system' icons and a system theme instead of reinventing its own. Since the icons are more "Mac"y and thus it feels completely out of place with my dark theme. If it could use such colors cues from the OS it'd feel and run much much better(I imagine that this extension will be merged into core thunderbird as most mozilla labs do).

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

I do agree, but I'm no graphic designer. I've blogged about this: see
<http://blog.xulforum.org/index.php?post/2011/05/19/Wanna-work-on-Thunderbird-Conversations-We-need-help!>.
If you know anyone who might be able to help, please show them this
page!

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Anirban Ghosh

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I installed this add-on yesterday for the first time after upgrading to TB5 and I'm simply loving it! Thank you Jonathan for bringing one of Gmail's most appealing features to Thunderbird.

I have 2 points:

a. If the no. of recipients is large and everyone's name cannot be accommodated in the conversation view's top line (it gives dotted ... to indicate more people), is there any way to see all of them other than the view using classic reader option?

b. A possible future option to disable avatar picture will be good. Right now it shows me funny faces as avatars. I do not use Contacts for Thunderbird. This obviously is of very low priority.

But this is one of the best add-ons I've seen.

Regards,
Anirban

Anirban Ghosh

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And one more thing: any way so as to not display in the conversation view first line the underlying url in a hyperlink. I may not have explained properly so take a look at the picture attached.

anirban.


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Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

You can click the three dots "..." to show the full list of recipients.
You're not the first one who fails to discover this : any more
intuitive suggestions are welcome. For b., I'm using gravatars, and few
people use them (try to check out mine for instance), so this will have
to go at some point. Regarding your last comment, the URL won't go,
because what I'm using for the snippet is the plaintext version of the
email, and I'm using thunderbird's built-in html -> plaintext
conversion. Modifying it would be hard, and would break other parts of
Thunderbird.

jonathan

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ツSimón

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I've installed this add-on today with Thunderbird 5.
It lacks the buttons to answer to one message. How can I insert bold, italic, etc... using this conversation view?
Regards.

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

You can use the reply / reply all / reply to list button at the bottom
of each message to reply individually to a given message. This will use
the standard composition window that will allow you to add formatting.
We don't have formatting yet for the quick reply inside the
conversation view.

Best,

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Anirban Ghosh

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Hi,

So the URL part is here to stay and nothing can be done. Silly of me not to have realised that the "..." can be clicked. I'm still getting used to using this add-on & really liking it.

anirban

Brian Lacy

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I'm enjoying the Thunderbird Conversations extension so far, but I have a request:

Can you please provide more grouping options for matching conversation threads?

For instance, I would like to group all messages from certain email addresses into a single conversation thread.

It would also be sweet if the matching algorithm could match "similar" subjects, not just identical ones -- for instance, I get a daily update from my Project Management system where the only thing that changes in the subject line is the date. I would like to group all these as a single thread.

Thanks!

Jonathan Protzenko

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While I could enable such features in the addon, this would most
certainly increase the complexity. There's nothing hard however : I
have built-in support for grouping getsatisfaction threads by their
subject, and I used to do extra processing to display github threads by
doing grouping on the subject as well. You could see how I'm doing it
and maintain your own "in-house" version of the addon.

Please note however that this only applies to the conversation view,
not the message list.

Cheers,

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Adrian M

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Hi, 

Thanks for the feature, it's a great add-on.

I have a small problem, search in message doesn't seem to work.
When I open a message, before installing TBird Conversations, if I pressed Ctrl+F twice, a small toolbar would appear below and I could search inside the currently displayed message.

Now, with TBird Conv, if I press Ctrl-F twice, the Find bar bellow doesn't appear anymore.

I tried disabling the other add-ons and this seems related to TBird Conv.

I'm using TBird 5.0 and TBird Conv 2.0.2

Thanks in advance,
Adrian

Fausto Paiva

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In my opinion it is a great addon because creates "conversations" like Gmail. I installed Thunderbird 5 beta just for use it.

Bryce Jacobson

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I had about 10 emails in my inbox and the rest (3 years worth) in folders stored locally. Activating the addon brought all of those emails back to my inbox (they are still in their folders as well though). Is this a bug or is there a way to have emails already in folders not display in the inbox?

Jonathan Protzenko

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Hi,

https://github.com/protz/GMail-Conversation-View/issues/241

Cheers,

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Jonathan Protzenko

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The addon makes your inbox also include your "sent" folders. You
probably only archived the emails in your inbox. This makes it more
consistent with what you'd expect from a conversations-style
Thunderbird, but you can disable it by right-clicking on your inbox, and
in properties > choose, unchecking the sent folders.

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Jonathan Protzenko

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Thunderbird Conversations is optimized for a 16pt font size (i.e. the
default on Linux), it's designed to give a consistent look to all users
who haven't changed their default font size.

Please read the thread
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla-labs/esb0LwLwQZo/discussion ;
I'm about to implement more options that should help some users.

Cheers,

jonathan

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> I'm a new user to TB conversations on an openSuSE 11.4 linux. I
> noticed that the action buttons (like "reply", "forward" etc) look to
> big/distorted for me. My font size is 12 pt, not sure if this glitch
> applies to every linux user.
>
> Attached you see a little screenshot showing the problem. If you could
> point me to where I can customize the HTML for these buttons, I think
> I will be able to do so on my own...
>
> best regards and thanks for this great extension,
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