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Gunner Asch

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Dec 10, 2011, 1:30:12 PM12/10/11
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Accountability:

Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?


Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
language; please read them both.

Remember the day the Democrats took over.

Or, in other words, It's still Bush's Fault because so many people don't
remember.

Don't just skim over this, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in
doubt, check it out.

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of
Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
Congress:

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5% The Unemployment rate was
4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of
JOB CREATION!

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES !

THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6%
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting
in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the
gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving.

Set the record straight on Bush!

"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what
they know isn't so" -Ronald Reagan


B-B-B-B-But it's his Fault!
As president Reagan said (paraphrasing): "These facts can be difficult
things to deal with."


The Washington Post babbled again recently about Obama inheriting a huge
deficit from Bush.

Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this BULL.
So once more, a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and
the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat
Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009
as well as 2010 & 2011 .

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough
on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush
entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running
until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a
massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that
very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he
signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period: (below)
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the
last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that,
Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack
Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I
voted for
and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends
it on!.......................

Delma T. Ivey

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Dec 10, 2011, 1:35:14 PM12/10/11
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On 12/10/2011 10:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Accountability:
>
> Who is really to blame?
> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> the financial straits we are in today?
>
>
> Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
> language; please read them both.
>
> [load of shit dumped]

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.


Ray Keller

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Dec 10, 2011, 1:41:17 PM12/10/11
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Gunner Asch

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Dec 10, 2011, 5:16:27 PM12/10/11
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Prove it.

<VBG>

You are big on claims...but nonexistant on proof.

We will be waiting for your proof.

Bring it on.

Double dare you.

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Gunner, waiting with interest


Delma T. Ivey

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Dec 10, 2011, 5:37:23 PM12/10/11
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On 12/10/2011 2:16 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"
> <some...@thegreatbeyond.con> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2011 10:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> Accountability:
>>>
>>> Who is really to blame?
>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
>>> language; please read them both.
>>>
>>> [load of shit dumped]
>>
>> Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
>> bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
>> the Democrats.
>>
> Prove it.

“We can put light where there’s darkness, and hope where there’s
despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a
nation to encourage folks to own their own home.” — President Bush, Oct.
15, 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?pagewanted=all

Also in the same story:

He pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among
minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to
expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of
some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off
approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president
spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation
of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former
Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Mr. Bush
chose to oversee them — an old prep school buddy — pronounced the
companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from
people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were
inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the
economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the
reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February, for
example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”

You're such a simpleton, gummer.

Gunner Asch

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Dec 11, 2011, 1:55:18 AM12/11/11
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"
You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/

The credit crisis and the lack of oversight over government-subsidized
lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac occurred on the watch of George
Bush, and many blame his economic team for their lack of oversight in
the collapse. Barack Obama has made this point one of his major
campaign themes, arguing that John McCain would provide more of the same
failures that Bush did. However, what many do not recall is that Bush
wanted to tighten oversight with a new regulatory board for Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac, and other government recipients for the express purpose of
addressing bad loan practices — and Democrats blocked it.

The New York Times reported this five years ago:

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume
supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending
industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks
of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than
$1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside
investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does
not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

This should have been a no-brainer, right? With hindsight, we can see
that the Bush administration had accurately diagnosed the problem in the
lending market and had a plan to address it. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
reluctantly supported the plan. However, Democrats objected (emphases
mine):

Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing
any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of
Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is
on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable
housing.”

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving
something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the
bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable
housing,” Mr. Watt said.

Sounds a little like the Democratic denial of problems in Social
Security, doesn’t it? Nothing to see here, no crisis on the horizon.
Everybody just move along, now. The Democrats had forced lenders to
assume more risk at lower interest rates in the 1990s, as IBD points out
today, and they didn’t want to countenance an end to their populist
policies:

But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with
multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and
originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now
infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s
most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended
Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so
doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he
and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but “predatory.”

Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ’90s by Clinton
and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
slow-motion financial train wreck.

And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the
quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage
the real estate market in America.

It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the
credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton
policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the
shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to
the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in
lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.

The Bush administration isn’t blameless in letting this get out of hand,
but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad
policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.

Update: John Lott points me to a March column he wrote at Fox News
explaining the underlying causes of the debacle. Forcing lenders to
make questionable loans and blocking tougher regulation of the
government-supported entities was a recipe for collapse, and Lott
explained it six months before it happened.

Too_Many_Tools

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Dec 11, 2011, 2:08:52 AM12/11/11
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Just can't accept the Truth I see.

I bet you blame your creditors who made you a dirt poor Republican
right?

Stupid conservative fool.

TMT

Allen Drake

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Dec 11, 2011, 2:58:10 AM12/11/11
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:55:18 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
You are the one that is dumb. Why didn't the republican controlled
congress and WH do something when they could? Because they are just as
stupid as you Gumby.

"It's all Clinton's fault"

Blame the other guys Gumby. You have nothing else but denial anyway.

Wahahahahaha..................

Delma T. Ivey

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> [snip tedious copypasta that doesn't say anything]

None of that refutes that Bush, and Republicans before him, wanted to
expand house ownership among poor people who couldn't afford houses.

Thanks for proving you're not a libertarian.

Gunner Asch

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Dec 11, 2011, 11:00:41 AM12/11/11
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:07:25 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"
Of course it doesnt. And that wasnt the issue. It was the Democrats who
took not only all the controls off the plan..but sent us into the Great
Depression 2.

>Thanks for proving you're not a libertarian.

Posting cites proves that Im not a libertarian??????

LAUGHLAUGHLAUGHLAUGH!!

What a cockbreath you are!! A mentally ill, deranged and specious bit
of shit stuck between the toes of a rabid mangy dog!

Laugh Laugh Laugh!!!

Time to put you in the kill file, my work is done here with you. Once
again..you show all the readers why Leftwingers are....shit.

And you have done it so well and thorougly too!!
Thanks Dickbreath!!

<Plink>

Gunner



Delma T. Ivey

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Dec 11, 2011, 11:19:46 AM12/11/11
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That was precisely the issue, not-libertarian gummer. I didn't say that
Bush or any other Republicans were mostly responsible - I said they
shared in the responsibility, and that Bush adopted specific policies
and took specific actions that helped make the problem worse. I am right.

You stupid not-tough squat-to-piss impotent cocksucker.

DCI

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Dec 11, 2011, 4:31:03 PM12/11/11
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On Dec 10, 10:35 am, "Delma T. Ivey" <somewh...@thegreatbeyond.con>
wrote:
Accountability is a word not found in any Federal Government
dictionary.

DCI

Frunobulax

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Dec 13, 2011, 8:55:01 PM12/13/11
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On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Accountability:
>
> Who is really to blame?
> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> the financial straits we are in today?
>

Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
common-law wifes' medical bills?
Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.

George Plimpton

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And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
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Gunner Asch

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Dec 14, 2011, 2:11:31 AM12/14/11
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Common law wife? Who was that?

Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

George Plimpton

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On 12/13/2011 11:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:01 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
> <saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Accountability:
>>>
>>> Who is really to blame?
>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>
>>
>> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>
> Common law wife? Who was that?

The meth has fucked up your memory that bad?

Gunner Asch

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.

Now speaking of accountability...lets discuss the Democrats creating the
Great Depression 2 that we are currently experinceing...shall we?

Lets see..they took control of Congress, both houses... in January of
2007...and 6 months later..the bottom fell out of the economy

Funny how that happened...no?
Gunner

Frunobulax

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Dec 14, 2011, 7:34:43 AM12/14/11
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On Dec 14, 3:57 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
> >On 12/13/2011 5:55 PM, Frunobulax wrote:
> >> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> Accountability:
>
> >>> Who is really to blame?
> >>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> >>> the financial straits we are in today?
>
> >> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
> >> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
> >> common-law wifes' medical bills?
> >> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>
> >And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
> >shell out for his coronary bypass surgery?  I wonder why the land baron
> >didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>
> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.

Then the Federal Government footed the bill, because you sure as hell
didn't.

> Common law wife? Who was that?
> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs

Uh-uh.
Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
web page?

Gunner Asch

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Dec 14, 2011, 12:00:42 PM12/14/11
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:34:43 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
<saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 14, 3:57 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>> >On 12/13/2011 5:55 PM, Frunobulax wrote:
>> >> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>> Accountability:
>>
>> >>> Who is really to blame?
>> >>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>> >>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>
>> >> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>> >> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>> >> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>> >> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>>
>> >And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>> >shell out for his coronary bypass surgery?  I wonder why the land baron
>> >didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>
>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.
>
>Then the Federal Government footed the bill, because you sure as hell
>didn't.

Would that be like Medicare or Obama Care?

I thought you guys were in favor of those programs?
>
>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>
>Uh-uh.
>Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>web page?

Which wife?

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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Dec 14, 2011, 12:02:13 PM12/14/11
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:36:59 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
Odd..I dont do drugs and unlike you Im not mentally ill.

So what meth and what common law wife are you mental cases chattering
about?

Gunner

George Plimpton

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Dec 14, 2011, 12:15:01 PM12/14/11
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You mean - they all did?

George Plimpton

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Dec 14, 2011, 12:15:26 PM12/14/11
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On 12/14/2011 9:02 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:36:59 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/13/2011 11:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:01 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
>>> <saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Accountability:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is really to blame?
>>>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>>>> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>>>> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>>>> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>>>
>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>
>> The meth has fucked up your memory that bad?
>
> Odd..I dont do drugs

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Gunner Asch

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Dec 14, 2011, 2:04:43 PM12/14/11
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:15:01 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
What..no answer to that, Pimptown?

>>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>>>
>>> Uh-uh.
>>> Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>>> web page?
>>
>> Which wife?
>
>You mean - they all did?

So there is another 2 lies.

<VBG>

Dance monkey boi..dance!

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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Dec 14, 2011, 2:04:45 PM12/14/11
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:15:26 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
Wipe your chin and the blow off your nose. Its rather disgusting


George Plimpton

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On 12/14/2011 11:04 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:15:01 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/2011 9:00 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:34:43 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
>>> <saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 3:57 am, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/13/2011 5:55 PM, Frunobulax wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Accountability:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is really to blame?
>>>>>>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>>>>>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>>>>>>> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>>>>>>> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>>>>>>> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>>>>>> shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
>>>>>> didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.

Who did pay for it, bitchy little douchebag? You didn't, and you didn't
have insurance. From whom did you sponge the cost of your bypass surgery?



>>>> Then the Federal Government footed the bill, because you sure as hell
>>>> didn't.
>>>
>>> Would that be like Medicare or Obama Care?
>>>
>>> I thought you guys were in favor of those programs?
>>>>
>
> What..no answer to that, Pimptown?

What's to answer?

You're not going to say it was Medicare that paid for your surgery,
because you're not eligible for it. "Obamacare" isn't a medical care
provision or payment system.

Who paid for it, bitchy little douchebag, *given* that you didn't, nor
did any private insurance because you had none?


>>>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>>>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>>>>
>>>> Uh-uh.
>>>> Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>>>> web page?
>>>
>>> Which wife?
>>
>> You mean - they all did?
>
> So there is another 2 lies.

How can asking you a question be a lie, bitchy little douchebag?

George Plimpton

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You do and abuse drugs - not in rational doubt.

Too_Many_Tools

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Dec 14, 2011, 5:56:52 PM12/14/11
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> web page?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Gummer's bills were paid by the taxpayer.

If you pay taxes, Gummer owes you.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Dec 14, 1:11 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:01 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
>
Sucking at the public tit your whole life.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Dec 14, 2011, 5:59:05 PM12/14/11
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> Gunner- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How many whores did you hang with?

If Cain has taught the Country anything, it is that conservative women
are whores who love to be abused.

TMT

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Dec 14, 2011, 6:04:02 PM12/14/11
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> How can asking you a question be a lie, bitchy little douchebag?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The bitchy little douchebag is avoiding the Inconvenient Truth...that
he is owned by his creditors.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Dec 14, 1:36 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 12/13/2011 11:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:55:01 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
> > <saltpoin...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> Accountability:
>
> >>> Who is really to blame?
> >>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> >>> the financial straits we are in today?
>
> >> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
> >> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
> >> common-law wifes' medical bills?
> >> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>
> > Common law wife? Who was that?
>
> The meth has fucked up your memory that bad?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You assume that he was of normal intelligence when born.

With inbred conservatives, the norm is an IQ a few points above a
chimp...a very retarded chimp.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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> Gunner- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL..note how Gummer the Conservative Parasite avoids admitting that
he is owned lock, stock and barrel by his creditors.

Swing slowly in the wind Gummer...swing slowly.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Dec 14, 6:34 am, Frunobulax <saltpoin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> web page?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Her story is that Gummer cheated on her.

His kids confirm that story.

TMT

Frunobulax

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Dec 14, 2011, 10:44:36 PM12/14/11
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> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow- it's hard to believe any female would willingly have sex with
Marky Mark.
Then again, maybe it wasn't a 'she' or was only willing after a cash
exchange.

Please note he still hasn't told us who actually paid his medical
bills. Typical Marky Mark: when the truth hurts, insult rather than
explain.

Dan

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Dec 15, 2011, 7:29:32 PM12/15/11
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On 12/10/2011 10:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Accountability:
>
> Who is really to blame?
> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> the financial straits we are in today?
>
>
> Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
> language; please read them both.
>
> Remember the day the Democrats took over.
>
> Or, in other words, It's still Bush's Fault because so many people don't
> remember.
>
> Don't just skim over this, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in
> doubt, check it out.
>
> The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
> actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of
> Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.
>
> The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
> time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
>
> For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
> everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
>
> January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
> Congress:
>
> At the time:
> The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
> The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5% The Unemployment rate was
> 4.6%
>
> George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of
> JOB CREATION!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Whew,thanks, I needed a laugh!

Dan

Gunner Asch

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:12:54 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>>>>>>> shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
>>>>>>> didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.
>
>Who did pay for it, bitchy little douchebag? You didn't, and you didn't
>have insurance. From whom did you sponge the cost of your bypass surgery?

What...is this an admission that you keep lying like a cheap rug?

Why..I think it actually is!!

But we expected that from the Pimp

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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But Pimpy keeps telling everyone who did!

So again....he is proven to be an utter liar of the worst sort.

<VBG>

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:32:56 AM12/17/11
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:13:37 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
So how long have you been doing crank? Those sorts of statements rank
of tweakers favorite.

Gunner

George Plimpton

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On 12/16/2011 11:31 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:12:54 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>>>>>>>> shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
>>>>>>>> didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.
>>
>> Who did pay for it, bitchy little douchebag? You didn't, and you didn't
>> have insurance. From whom did you sponge the cost of your bypass surgery?
>
> What...is this an admission that you keep lying like a cheap rug?

No. You didn't pay for your bypass surgery - some public agency did.
You're a sponge, a leech, a parasite. You're not libertarian - a
libertarian would die before he'd force others involuntarily to pay for
his medical care.

George Plimpton

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On 12/16/2011 11:31 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> But Prof. George Plimpton keeps telling everyone who did!

No, I haven't said precisely who it is, because I don't know. We just
know that it was some public agency. It wasn't you, it wasn't
insurance, it wasn't some private benefactor - it was the public.

You're a leech, in addition to being a liar.

George Plimpton

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Dec 17, 2011, 10:53:23 AM12/17/11
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> So how long have I been doing crank?


Beats me - that's what we're trying to get you to tell us, you impotent
little douchebag.

Gunner Asch

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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:52:34 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>>> Wow- it's hard to believe any female would willingly have sex with
>>> Marky Mark.
>>> Then again, maybe it wasn't a 'she' or was only willing after a cash
>>> exchange.
>>>
>>> Please note he still hasn't told us who actually paid his medical
>>> bills. Typical Marky Mark: when the truth hurts, insult rather than
>>> explain.
>>
>> But Prof. George Plimpton keeps telling everyone who did!
>
>No, I haven't said precisely who it is, because I don't know. We just
>know that it was some public agency. It wasn't you, it wasn't
>insurance, it wasn't some private benefactor - it was the public.

Sure you did! You stated clearly it was California and Kern Co.

Two huge lies of the sort we expect from you every post you make.
>
>Im a leech, in addition to being a liar.

You and Frunobulax are two of a kind.

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 12:23:15 PM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:53:23 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> So how long have you been doing crank?
>
>
>Beats me - that's what we're trying to get you to tell us, you impotent
>little douchebag.

<VBG>

More insanity from a tweaker

Ill bet you spend hundreds a week on meth dontcha?

Im curious..how do you earn it? Blowing gay dudes for $20 a pop?



Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 12:24:12 PM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:51:12 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
Actually..thats another proven lie of the worst sort from you.
Shrug..but we have come to expect that from you.

Gunner

George Plimpton

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On 12/17/2011 9:21 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:52:34 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Wow- it's hard to believe any female would willingly have sex with
>>>> Marky Mark.
>>>> Then again, maybe it wasn't a 'she' or was only willing after a cash
>>>> exchange.
>>>>
>>>> Please note he still hasn't told us who actually paid his medical
>>>> bills. Typical Marky Mark: when the truth hurts, insult rather than
>>>> explain.
>>>
>>> But Prof. George Plimpton keeps telling everyone who did!
>>
>> No, I haven't said precisely who it is, because I don't know. We just
>> know that it was some public agency. It wasn't you, it wasn't
>> insurance, it wasn't some private benefactor - it was the public.
>
> Sure you did!

Nope - just that taxpayers somewhere footed the bill.


>> You're a leech, in addition to being a liar.
>
> Yaweruoghrouuizzz and I are two of a kind.

the company you keep...

George Plimpton

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:22:20 PM12/17/11
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>>> So how long have I been doing crank?
>>
>>
>> Beats me - that's what we're trying to get you to tell us, you impotent
>> little douchebag.
>
> <VBG>

All that toothless grinning comes from doing the crank.

George Plimpton

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:22:50 PM12/17/11
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Nope. You sponged off some taxpayers for your surgery.

Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 3:39:16 PM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:21:41 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>On 12/17/2011 9:21 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:52:34 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Wow- it's hard to believe any female would willingly have sex with
>>>>> Marky Mark.
>>>>> Then again, maybe it wasn't a 'she' or was only willing after a cash
>>>>> exchange.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note he still hasn't told us who actually paid his medical
>>>>> bills. Typical Marky Mark: when the truth hurts, insult rather than
>>>>> explain.
>>>>
>>>> But Prof. George Plimpton keeps telling everyone who did!
>>>
>>> No, I haven't said precisely who it is, because I don't know. We just
>>> know that it was some public agency. It wasn't you, it wasn't
>>> insurance, it wasn't some private benefactor - it was the public.
>>
>> Sure you did!
>
>Nope - just that taxpayers somewhere footed the bill.

So you are admitting to having lied..again
>
>
>>> You're a leech, in addition to being a liar.
>>
>> Yaweruoghrouuizzz and I are two of a kind.

Ayup. And I just scrapped some of that off the bottom of my boot after
cleaning the kennels.
>
>the company you keep...

Absolutely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q


Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 3:40:16 PM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:22:20 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
I thought it came from swallowing cum? Thats not why you are smiling????

Indeed..its probably from the crank


George Plimpton

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On 12/17/2011 12:39 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:21:41 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2011 9:21 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:52:34 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Wow- it's hard to believe any female would willingly have sex with
>>>>>> Marky Mark.
>>>>>> Then again, maybe it wasn't a 'she' or was only willing after a cash
>>>>>> exchange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note he still hasn't told us who actually paid his medical
>>>>>> bills. Typical Marky Mark: when the truth hurts, insult rather than
>>>>>> explain.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Prof. George Plimpton keeps telling everyone who did!
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't said precisely who it is, because I don't know. We just
>>>> know that it was some public agency. It wasn't you, it wasn't
>>>> insurance, it wasn't some private benefactor - it was the public.
>>>
>>> Sure you did!
>>
>> Nope - just that taxpayers somewhere footed the bill.
>
> So you are admitting to having lied

Nope. The taxpayers footed the bill for your surgery. You have
admitted it, multiple times; you just haven't identified which set of
suckers got soaked for it.


>>>> You're a leech, in addition to being a liar.
>>>
>>> Yaweruoghrouuizzz and I are two of a kind.
>
> Ayup.

Yep: you and Yaweruoghrouuizzz, cuntflaps.

George Plimpton

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Dec 17, 2011, 3:50:49 PM12/17/11
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You do that, too? I can't say I'm surprised, cuntflaps.

Gunner Asch

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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:50:18 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Sure you did!
>>>
>>> Nope - just that taxpayers somewhere footed the bill.
>>
>> So you are admitting to having lied
>
>Nope. The taxpayers footed the bill for your surgery. You have
>admitted it, multiple times; you just haven't identified which set of
>suckers got soaked for it.
>
Who me? Im an illegal alien and you Leftwingers LOVE us illegal aliens.
Ive got a Consular Metricular card and everything. Really!

So you should be kissing my ass, its what you want to do, Jefe.

Gunner

Gunner Asch

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Dec 17, 2011, 5:32:22 PM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:50:49 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>>>
> All that toothless grinning comes from doing the crank.
>>
>> I thought it came from swallowing cum?
>
>I do that!! You can't say anyone is surprised, can you?

No..actually..no suprise there.

Gunner


Jack Skolasky

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On 12/14/2011 9:00 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:34:43 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
> <saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 3:57 am, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2011 5:55 PM, Frunobulax wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Accountability:
>>>
>>>>>> Who is really to blame?
>>>>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>>>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>
>>>>> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>>>>> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>>>>> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>>>>> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>>>
>>>> And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>>>> shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
>>>> didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>>
>>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.
>>
>> Then the Federal Government footed the bill, because you sure as hell
>> didn't.
>
> Would that be like Medicare or Obama Care?

Concession of public financing of your health care noted.


>>
>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>>
>> Uh-uh.
>> Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>> web page?
>
> Which wife?

He identified which one: the one you claimed cheated on you.

You're 58 years old, and you claim to have been married for 38 years.
So, unless you were married and divorced before the age of 20, it would
just be "your wife" - the only one.

Does your wife to whom you have been legally married for 38 years know
about your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer? You remember:


my lady friend is mostly..black.

Now Ive been teaching my (Republican) black girl friend the finer
points of "extreme range personel interdiction" and she has quite
the knack for 1000 yr [sic] shooting.

Though I did have to get her a 9mm..the 45s were a bit big for her.
Shrug. She has small hands. But it was easy to get her a ballistic
vest and accesories.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/a47072419744b0e8


Does your wife of 38 years know you're buying handguns and shooting
accessories for your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer?

gummer, what the fuck are you doing buying guns and shooting accessories
for a woman who isn't your wife if your goddamned fucking heater in your
shabby double-wide doesn't work? Aren't your priorities just a little
bit fucked up, bitch?

Gunner Asch

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Dec 31, 2011, 6:06:40 PM12/31/11
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The one which left almost 7 months ago, after cleaning out my bank
accounts? The one that had me raise a child who for years, I, she and
everyone else thought was someone elses?

The one who did that for the 3rd and final time in those 38 yrs? The
one who refused to work, and spent a very large part of my income in
casinos without my knowledge? The one Id hand over my paychecks to..and
tell her to pay the bills..and she would head for the casinos? The one
who had a massive heart attack while camping with her boyfriend and when
I rushed to visit her some 150 miles away..told me to leave because her
boyfriend would be coming to visit? (which he never did btw)
The wife I gave a vehicle to so she could make her weekly Drs visits for
the past 10 yrs..some of which were actually to the casino..some 120
miles away? The wife who refused to work for the past 11 yrs..refused
to even look for a job because she was "busy doing the house" and it
took me and the roommates 2 months to clean after she left?
The wife who spent my paychecks on her friends, gambling and herself?

That wife?

What..you think Im the bad guy here?
Of course you do. Your an ignorant fucking idiot who is all spew and no
knowledge.
>
>You're 58 years old, and you claim to have been married for 38 years.
>So, unless you were married and divorced before the age of 20, it would
>just be "your wife" - the only one.
>
>Does your wife to whom you have been legally married for 38 years know
>about your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer? You remember:

Actually..yes she does. When 10 yrs ago..she decided she wanted an open
marraige..she got one. Now the sad part her boyfriend is now almost 70,
cant get it up anymore and remarried his 4th wife.for the second time.
So she doesnt have a boy friend anymore.

So she is stuck in a basement apartment in Clearfield Utah with the son,
his wife and the 2 grand kids.
I pulled her off the bank account, set her up with her very own and put
some money in it once a month. And pay for her cell phone.
Period. End program. Full stop.

Now that you have filled the net with your hate and spew..was there
anything else you wished to look the buffoon about?
>
>
> my lady friend is mostly..black.
>
> Now Ive been teaching my (Republican) black girl friend the finer
> points of "extreme range personel interdiction" and she has quite
> the knack for 1000 yr [sic] shooting.
>
> Though I did have to get her a 9mm..the 45s were a bit big for her.
> Shrug. She has small hands. But it was easy to get her a ballistic
> vest and accesories.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/a47072419744b0e8
>
>
>Does your wife of 38 years know you're buying handguns and shooting
>accessories for your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer?

Buying? What..I cant swap and trade for stuff?

https://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/NewForSale?authuser=0&feat=directlink

You mean you dont swap and trade for stuff? Im known in the industry as
a very high class Swapper/Trader. <VBG>

I recently took a couple machine tools as partial payment from a client
that went out of business...chapter 13. Better machinery that I can
sell..then my name on a waiting list for pennies on the dollar..if Im
lucky
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CYwvPBT1mhBhax3UlYRJCtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6cDTu-Zxnee_V7sOtmue-tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

Want to buy one of them? Ill sell you the mill along with a vise and a
bunch of 40 taper tool holders for $2k

The Swiss mill drill...they go for $4-6k..so Ill sell it to you for
only $3500 (Aciero)

Ive got two OmniTurn CNC lathes as well. You can have either of them for
$4500 or $8k for the pair. Buy em all and Ill have my bills all squared
away for a goodly period of time. Long enough to see if the Democrats
have killed manufacturing in California for good..or its going to
recover. If they have killed it (and I suspect they have)..Ill get a job
locally in the oil fields as a tech of some sort. That will pay $25-35
an hour. Shrug. Ive got to make a decision in the next couple weeks as
to which way Im going to go.

Now if you excuse me, Ive got a guy coming over to check out a double
drill press Ive got for sale ($800 obo)
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z3uQbXC3EaUcy_HCSWH-2dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink



>
>gummer, what the fuck are you doing buying guns and shooting accessories
>for a woman who isn't your wife if your goddamned fucking heater in your
>shabby double-wide doesn't work? Aren't your priorities just a little
>bit fucked up, bitch?

Sorry cunt, but the heater blower died this last week..and Yavonne has
been a very good friend for much longer..and I set her up nearly a year
ago. So once again..you show the world just how big a dickhead you
really are. In fact..Id have to say you are probably on some Democrat
committee somewhere. Dickheads like you are well known for spewing
without knowing a fucking thing about what you are spewing about.

Now, you will have to excuse me, Ive got things to do. Oh..btw..isnt it
time for you to get ready for the special event at the gay bar you hang
out in? I know you were chosen to be the door prize..so off you to to
brush your teeth and hose out your ass.
It would be tacky to have both of them a stinking mess for the winner to
play with.


Gunner


Jack Skolasky

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Ha ha ha ha ha! He doesn't even contest it!



>>>>
>>>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>>>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>>>>
>>>> Uh-uh.
>>>> Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>>>> web page?
>>>
>>> Which wife?
>>
>> He identified which one: the one you claimed cheated on you.
>
> The one which left almost 7 months ago, after cleaning out my bank
> accounts? The one that had me raise a child who for years, I, she and
> everyone else thought was someone elses?

Ha ha ha ha ha! Didn't you just write on Dec 14:

Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs


Why, yes, gummer - you *did* write that! So, your wife of not-quite 38
years suddenly ducked out on you seven months ago, but just two weeks
ago you felt you were still married to your "Lady Faire...now and forever"?

Jesus, bitch - you're just all over the fucking place!


> The one who did that for the 3rd and final time in those 38 yrs? The
> one who refused to work, and spent a very large part of my income in
> casinos without my knowledge? The one Id hand over my paychecks to..and
> tell her to pay the bills..and she would head for the casinos? The one
> who had a massive heart attack while camping with her boyfriend and when
> I rushed to visit her some 150 miles away..told me to leave because her
> boyfriend would be coming to visit? (which he never did btw)
> The wife I gave a vehicle to so she could make her weekly Drs visits for
> the past 10 yrs..some of which were actually to the casino..some 120
> miles away? The wife who refused to work for the past 11 yrs..refused
> to even look for a job because she was "busy doing the house" and it
> took me and the roommates 2 months to clean after she left?
> The wife who spent my paychecks on her friends, gambling and herself?
>
> That wife?

Waaaaaahhhhhhhh!

Ha ha ha ha ha! You dumb fucking cuckolded douchenozzle - are you
really trying such a pathetic play for sympathy?



>
> What..you think Im the bad guy here?
> Of course you do. Your an ignorant fucking idiot who is all spew and no
> knowledge.
>>
>> You're 58 years old, and you claim to have been married for 38 years.
>> So, unless you were married and divorced before the age of 20, it would
>> just be "your wife" - the only one.
>>
>> Does your wife to whom you have been legally married for 38 years know
>> about your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer? You remember:
>
> Actually..yes she does. When 10 yrs ago..she decided she wanted an open
> marraige..she got one. Now the sad part her boyfriend is now almost 70,
> cant get it up anymore and remarried his 4th wife.for the second time.
> So she doesnt have a boy friend anymore.
>
> So she is stuck in a basement apartment in Clearfield Utah with the son,
> his wife and the 2 grand kids.
> I pulled her off the bank account, set her up with her very own and put
> some money in it once a month. And pay for her cell phone.
> Period. End program. Full stop.
>
> Now that you have filled the net with your hate and spew..was there
> anything else you wished to look the buffoon about?

Ha ha ha ha ha! You wave your shit-stained linens all over Usenet,
looking like the pathetic no-dick Dwieber you are, and you want to say
*I* look the buffoon? HA HA HA HA HA!



>>
>> my lady friend is mostly..black.
>>
>> Now Ive been teaching my (Republican) black girl friend the finer
>> points of "extreme range personel interdiction" and she has quite
>> the knack for 1000 yr [sic] shooting.
>>
>> Though I did have to get her a 9mm..the 45s were a bit big for her.
>> Shrug. She has small hands. But it was easy to get her a ballistic
>> vest and accesories.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/a47072419744b0e8
>>
>>
>> Does your wife of 38 years know you're buying handguns and shooting
>> accessories for your "mostly...black" girlfriend, gummer?
>
> Buying? What..I cant swap and trade for stuff?

So why the *FUCK* can't you seem to trade for a working furnace blower,
you colossal douche?


>>
>> gummer, what the fuck are you doing buying guns and shooting accessories
>> for a woman who isn't your wife if your goddamned fucking heater in your
>> shabby double-wide doesn't work? Aren't your priorities just a little
>> bit fucked up, bitch?
>
> Sorry cunt, but the heater blower died this last week..and [falsehoods and pointless blabber]

HA HA HA HA HA! Man, this just gets funnier and funnier.


Gunner Asch

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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20111229/OPINION03/112290328

Gov tries to fix a Detroit Dems ruined

Nolan Finley


Democrats are lining up to declare their opposition in the name of civil
rights and representative democracy to an emergency manager being
appointed for Detroit.

What makes their protests against what may be the only tool available to
save Detroit ring hollow is that the ideology, policies and leadership
of liberal Democrats ruined Detroit and other big cities.

Detroit has been run by leftist Democrats for all of its modern history.

You don't even have to ask how that's worked out.

Detroit's Democratic leadership colluded with the public employee unions
that kept them in office to craft absurdly rich labor contracts, with
built-in legacy costs today's Detroiters can't hope to pay.

They placed a higher priority on providing jobs to their political
supporters than providing services to taxpayers. When choices had to be
made, they cut services first.

And then they raised taxes.

As taxes rose and services declined, those who were able packed up and
left, leaving behind a smaller, poorer city with more needs than a
shrinking tax base can support.

These Democratic politicians built a bureaucracy that was unfriendly to
business, with a tax and regulatory structure that screamed, "GO TO THE
SUBURBS!" Which they did.

Then they begged Washington to replace paychecks with welfare checks,
encouraging dependency and destroying initiative, and wreaking havoc on
families.

Their fellow travelers on the school board marched with them lock-step,
running schools for the benefit of the unions and contractors instead of
the children. The result is a city with nearly 50 percent of its
population functionally illiterate, only 25 percent with a high school
diploma, and less than 10 percent with a college degree.

And yet their battle cry is "good jobs" for the city. Right. With this
work force?

The objectors offer no alternative for saving Detroit, other than
demanding it be given more money.

From whom? Normally, this crowd would shake down the wealthy, but
Detroit drove away most of its rich folks long ago. The state, which
ultimately is on the hook for Detroit's $14 billion debt, isn't going to
contribute cash to delay the inevitable.

They could ask Rep. John Conyers, the leading voice against a state
takeover, to tap the federal treasury. But Conyers has brought little to
Detroit during his 48 years in Congress. Same goes for Sen. Carl Levin,
who is also objecting to the emergency manager. The former Detroit
councilman is head of the powerful Armed Services Committee, yet there's
no evidence within the city limits that Detroit's senator controls such
a large chunk of the federal budget.

They and the other congress members send home a few pieces of pork now
and then, but they've contributed nothing toward the city's long-term
sustainability.

And yet they'd block Snyder from cleaning up the Democrats' mess.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, in Detroit to threaten civil disobedience if a
manager is appointed, makes the point that all of the communities in
Michigan under state oversight are majority African-American.

That's true.

They're also all run by liberal Democrats.

Maybe that's the real reason they're in trouble.

nfi...@detnews.com

Raylene Slusser

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Dec 31, 2011, 10:10:57 PM12/31/11
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On 12/31/2011 6:03 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> [sniveling bullshit]

You destroyed Taft by polluting the entire south side of town, below
Supply Row, with methamphetamine manufacturing toxic waste.

Vick Hammerston

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Dec 31, 2011, 11:51:21 PM12/31/11
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Allen Drake wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:55:18 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"
> ><somewh...@thegreatbeyond.con> wrote:
>
> >>On 12/10/2011 2:16 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"
> >>> <somewh...@thegreatbeyond.con>  wrote:
>
> >>>> On 12/10/2011 10:30 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>>>> Accountability:
>
> >>>>> Who is really to blame?
> >>>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
> >>>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>
> >>>>> Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
> >>>>> language; please read them both.
>
> >>>>> [load of shit dumped]
>
> >>>> Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
> >>>> bipartisan effort.  The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
> >>>> the Democrats.
>
> >>> Prove it.
>
> >>“We can put light where there’s darkness, and hope where there’s
> >>despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a
> >>nation to encourage folks to own their own home.” — President Bush, Oct.
> >>15, 2002
>
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?pagewanted=all
>
> >>Also in the same story:
>
> >>     He pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among
> >>     minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to
> >>     expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of
> >>     some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off
> >>     approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.
>
> >>     Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
> >>     the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president
> >>     spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation
> >>     of the companies,
>
> >You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
>
> >http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credi...
>
> >The credit crisis and the lack of oversight over government-subsidized
> >lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac occurred on the watch of George
> >Bush, and many blame his economic team for their lack of oversight in
> >the collapse.  Barack Obama has made this point one of his major
> >campaign themes, arguing that John McCain would provide more of the same
> >failures that Bush did.  However, what many do not recall is that Bush
> >wanted to tighten oversight with a new regulatory board for Fannie Mae,
> >Freddie Mac, and other government recipients for the express purpose of
> >addressing bad loan practices — and Democrats blocked it.
>
> >The New York Times reported this five years ago:
>
> >    The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
> >regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
> >and loan crisis a decade ago.
>
> >    Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
> >agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume
> >supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
> >companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending
> >industry.
>
> >    The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
> >Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
> >companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
> >And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks
> >of their ballooning portfolios.
>
> >    The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight
> >of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than
> >$1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside
> >investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
> >accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does
> >not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
>
> >This should have been a no-brainer, right?  With hindsight, we can see
> >that the Bush administration had accurately diagnosed the problem in the
> >lending market and had a plan to address it.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
> >reluctantly supported the plan.  However, Democrats objected (emphases
> >mine):
>
> >    Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
> >Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
> >tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
> >commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
>
> >    ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing
> >any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of
> >Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
> >”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is
> >on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable
> >housing.”
>
> >    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
>
> >    ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving
> >something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the
> >bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable
> >housing,” Mr. Watt said.
>
> >Sounds a little like the Democratic denial of problems in Social
> >Security, doesn’t it?  Nothing to see here, no crisis on the horizon.
> >Everybody just move along, now.  The Democrats had forced lenders to
> >assume more risk at lower interest rates in the 1990s, as IBD points out
> >today, and they didn’t want to countenance an end to their populist
> >policies:
>
> >    But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with
> >multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and
> >originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now
> >infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s
> >most revered institutions.
>
> >    Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
> >had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
> >sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
> >either that or face stiff government penalties.
>
> >    The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
> >Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended
> >Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so
> >doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he
> >and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but “predatory.”
>
> >    Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
> >secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
> >traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ’90s by Clinton
> >and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
> >slow-motion financial train wreck.
>
> >    And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the
> >quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage
> >the real estate market in America.
>
> >It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the
> >credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton
> >policies that created the crisis we have now.  After the fit hit the
> >shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to
> >the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in
> >lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.
>
> >The Bush administration isn’t blameless in letting this get out of hand,
> >but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad
> >policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.
>
> >Update: John Lott points me to a March column he wrote at Fox News
> >explaining the underlying causes of the debacle.  Forcing lenders to
> >make questionable loans and blocking tougher regulation of the
> >government-supported entities was a recipe for collapse, and Lott
> >explained it six months before it happened.
>
> You are the one that is dumb. Why didn't the republican controlled
> congress and WH do something when they could? Because they are just as
> stupid as you Gumby.
>
> "It's all Clinton's fault"
>
>  Blame the other guys Gumby. You have nothing else but denial anyway.
>
> Wahahahahaha..................

That's the problem with you socialists, your disgusting refusal to
accept accountability for Republican mistakes. At least when we
blame the left for all our our problems and hold you accountable, we
mean it.

Vick Hammerston

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Dec 31, 2011, 11:58:45 PM12/31/11
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Ayn Rand was into methamphetamine.

Why do you hate the Queen of Libertarianism?

Jeffrey VanRensselaer

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On 12/31/2011 3:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
*THIS* wife, Wieber, you shitbag - the one of whom you said in May 2017:
"43 yrs and counting, married to this wonderful woman"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213532517089600&set=a.4471120978433&type=3&theater

Paul Jackson

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On 12/14/2011 9:00 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:34:43 -0800 (PST), Frunobulax
> <saltp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 3:57 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:18:45 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2011 5:55 PM, Frunobulax wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> Accountability:
>>>
>>>>>> Who is really to blame?
>>>>>> Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
>>>>>> the financial straits we are in today?
>>>
>>>>> Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
>>>>> you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
>>>>> common-law wifes' medical bills?
>>>>> Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.
>>>
>>>> And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
>>>> shell out for his coronary bypass surgery?  I wonder why the land baron
>>>> didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?
>>>
>>> Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.
>>
>> Then the Federal Government footed the bill, because you sure as hell
>> didn't.
>
> Would that be like Medicare or Obama Care?
>
> I thought you guys were in favor of those programs?
>>
>>> Common law wife? Who was that?
>>> Ive been married quite legally for 38 yrs
>>
>> Uh-uh.
>> Is this same wife you claim cheated on you on that famous pity-party
>> web page?
>
> Which wife?

The wife you claimed on 12/14/2012 to have been "legally" married to for 38
years.

Rudy Canoza

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I sure wish you'd ignore her and let *me* suck you off at the Jolly
Kone. I've been practicing!
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