Why do both Apple & the apologists habitually blame everyone but Apple for Apple's poor design choices?

[Arlen Holder]

Why do both Apple & the apologists habitually blame everyone but Apple for
Apple's poor design choices?

Today, multipel times, nospam blamed everyone but Apple for Apple's flaws:
o ioS 13 is out
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_fovt6uzDlA>

Everyone but the apologists is well aware that iOS 13 has been nothing but
bug after bug after bug after bug, where Apple shipped iOS 13.0 _knowing_
full well of _huge_ security holes they were told about way back in June
and July (which Apple confirmed).

And yet, they _still_ shipped one of the buggiest iOS releases ever, which
is fine (as that's what Apple does), but what's curious is that nospam
blames MICROSOFT (of all companies) for Apple's buggy releases!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_fovt6uzDlA/Wjn6YqTAAAAJ>

It's not just apologists who blames everyone but Apple for design flaws:
o Apple constantly & consistently blames everyone else but Apple for Apple bugs & Apple design flaws!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/nMY1C9cdCyA/5wkxJwp7AgAJ>

Hence this relevant question for this newsgroup:

Q: Why do both Apple & the apologists habitually blame everyone but Apple for Apple's poor design choices?

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-11-19 10:18 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> Why do both Apple & the apologists habitually blame everyone but Apple for
> Apple's poor design choices?
>
> Today, multipel times, nospam blamed everyone but Apple for Apple's flaws:
> o ioS 13 is out
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_fovt6uzDlA>

Nope.

That literally never happened.

<rest of your bullshit snipped>

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:41:09 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> Nope.
>
> That literally never happened.

Hi Alan Baker,

I think this well verified common trait of Apple & apologists to blame
everyone but Apple for Apple's design flaws stems from an intensely felt
need to "deflect blame" that originates from Apple Marketing influences.

Apple Marketing is brilliant as it influences Apple Apologists greatly.

Hence, it's rather interesting that both Apple and the Apologists blame
everyone but Apple for Apple's design flaws, and yet, we don't see this
incessant childish blame game on the Android, Linux, or Windows newsgroups.

How many times, for example, have we heard the apologists blame Forbes for
printing FACTS about Apple products? (Facts apologists simply don't like.)

That "blame the messenger" trait of apologists doesn't seem to happen on
the more adult consumer-OS related newsgroups; this consistent "blame game"
to deflect culpability away from the Apple mother ship is mainly on Apple
newsgroups (and not on Android, Linux, or Windows newsgroups).

o Why do the Apple Apologists always deflect blame and call all facts they don't like, trolls?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/BrLP4Sx6_Gw/A7tH3j24EAAJ>

--
Apologists tend to mirror almost exactly what Apple marketing has fed them
to believe (i.e., apologists don't seem to exchibit independent thought
processes).

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-11-20 5:00 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:41:09 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Nope.
>>
>> That literally never happened.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> I think this well verified common trait of Apple & apologists to blame
> everyone but Apple for Apple's design flaws stems from an intensely felt
> need to "deflect blame" that originates from Apple Marketing influences.

There is very little evidence that you ever THINK...

...but more importantly, none of what you wrote rebuts the fact that:

"Today, multipel [sic] times, nospam blamed everyone but Apple for
Apple's flaws:"

I say that did not happen in the thread to which you included a link.

So produce the relevant quotes FROM that thread.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:39:57 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> I say that did not happen in the thread to which you included a link.

Hi Alan,

I do appreciate when you post because my strategic goals are clear
o Expose all you Apple apologists for exactly what you are

These are the score of Apple Apologists who post to this newsgroup:
o Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Ammammata, Andreas Rutishauser, Barry Margolin,
o Beedle, B...@Onramp.net, Chris, Davoud, dpb, Elden,
o Elfin/Lloyd Parsons/Lloyd, Hawk, Hemidactylus, joe, Joerg Lorenz,
o Johan, John McWilliams, Jolly Roger, Lewis, Meanie, nospam,
o Panthera Tigris Altaica, Sandman, Savageduck, Snit, Tim Streater,
o Wade Garrett, Your Name, et al.,

*All you Apple apologists prove to be utterly _immune_ to facts.*
o You prove this fact almost every time you post!

You brazenly deny facts (facts nobody else denies... not even Apple)
(a) Without ever even _reading_ the cites containing those facts, and,
(b) When forced to read the cites, you fail to comprehend what they say!

FACT #1:
o The Krebs report (which broke the news on the ultrawideband technology
flaws) clearly stated the location of the privacy policy that was violated;
nobody disputes this save for you and Jolly Roger (not even Apple).
o The iPhone 11 Pro's Location Data Puzzler
<https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-location-data-puzzler/>

FACT #2:
o The Bagaria Blog (which broke the news on the AirDrop flaws) clearly
stated that it took Kishan all of five minutes using published tools to
find this Apple flaw. Nobody disputes this save for you, Alan Baker. Not
even Apple disputed this (Apple simply begged him to keep it a secret).
o AirDoS: Remotely render any nearby iPhone or iPad unusable
<https://kishanbagaria.com/airdos/>

--
Proving Apologists are utterly immune to facts... one fact at a time.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-12-11 12:45 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:39:57 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I say that did not happen in the thread to which you included a link.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I do appreciate when you post because my strategic goals are clear
> o Expose all you Apple apologists for exactly what you are

Correct?

Smarter than you by far?

Both?

>

> FACT #1: o The Krebs report (which broke the news on the
> ultrawideband technology flaws) clearly stated the location of the
> privacy policy that was violated; > nobody disputes this save for you and Jolly Roger (not even Apple). o
> The iPhone 11 Pro's Location Data Puzzler
>
<https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-location-data-puzzler/>

A document which references another location to be "Apple's Privacy
Policy" cannot itself be that policy.

That is straight logic.

Sad for you that you cannot simply admit your mistake.

[Arlen Holder]

In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
iPhone 11 Pro camera whose output came in last place in quality of results:
o *iPhone 11 Pro front selfie camera ranks in last place of the top ten*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/vqzO9zmgDgAJ>

What's interesting is how _consistent_ the apologists are in _blaming_
everyone but Apple when Apple consistently fares poorly in performance.
o *Camera quality of output summary scores for the top 50*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qSEjEFtBrJU/xCVtmRyfAwAJ>

In that thread, nospam claims that Apple always fares poorly in real world
camera quality of output tests because, nospam claims, everyone else pays
DXOMark to rate Apple phones worse than Apple Marketing "claims" Apple
phones should rate.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/Cp3sDH5aDwAJ>

nospam claims Apple is above bribing DXOMark to give Apple the correct
score, which nospam feels is always too low for Apple MARKETING claims:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/krNxNz1hDwAJ>

According to nospam, since Apple won't bribe DXOMark, that's why Apple
phone performance fares historically so badly in the DXOMark real-world
performance tests.
o *DXOMark Mobile Phone Camera Quality of Results*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/0bPpvi9EAu4/PJC0IoJsBQAJ>

--
Apologists blame everyone but Apple for Apple's poor design choices.

[nospam]

In article <r1dh4e$hcb$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:

> In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
> iPhone 11 Pro camera

i did not blame anyone, liar.

> whose output came in last place in quality of results:
> o *iPhone 11 Pro front selfie camera ranks in last place of the top ten*

last place of the top ten is not last place, liar.

being in the top ten is *excellent*.

[Snit]

On 2/4/20 9:50 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <r1dh4e$hcb$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> <arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
>> iPhone 11 Pro camera
>
> i did not blame anyone, liar.

Curious how you use the same attacks against others as you do me. I know
NOTHING of this fight, so you might be right, but I do know you accused
me of lying because I quoted you.

>> whose output came in last place in quality of results:
>> o *iPhone 11 Pro front selfie camera ranks in last place of the top ten*
>
> last place of the top ten is not last place, liar.
>
> being in the top ten is *excellent*.
>

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-02-04 8:42 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
> iPhone 11 Pro camera whose output came in last place in quality of results:
> o *iPhone 11 Pro front selfie camera ranks in last place of the top ten*
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/vqzO9zmgDgAJ>

Nope. That's a lie.

>
> What's interesting is how _consistent_ the apologists are in _blaming_
> everyone but Apple when Apple consistently fares poorly in performance.
> o *Camera quality of output summary scores for the top 50*
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qSEjEFtBrJU/xCVtmRyfAwAJ>

Nope. That's a lie.

>
> In that thread, nospam claims that Apple always fares poorly in real world
> camera quality of output tests because, nospam claims, everyone else pays
> DXOMark to rate Apple phones worse than Apple Marketing "claims" Apple
> phones should rate.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/Cp3sDH5aDwAJ>

Nope. That's a lie.

[nospam]

In article <h9v1o2...@mid.individual.net>, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > In article <r1dh4e$hcb$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> > <arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
> >> iPhone 11 Pro camera
> >
> > i did not blame anyone, liar.
>
> Curious how you use the same attacks against others as you do me. I know
> NOTHING of this fight, so you might be right, but I do know you accused
> me of lying because I quoted you.

not only do you know nothing about this discussion, by your own
admission, but you choose to attack anyway and with yet another lie.
that's truly fucked up.

i accused you of lying because you lied. very simple. your quotes in
other threads showed how little you understood about what was being
discussed, which you then blamed others.

educate yourself about 'arlen' and his obsessive and aberrant trolling
by reading his numerous posts (generated by buggy automated scripts, so
there's a shitload of identical ones), not that it will matter, since
you ignore explanations that show you to be wrong.

here's one:

In article <r1dsiu$18mt$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz>
wrote:

> On 2020-02-04 8:42 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> > In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the

> > iPhone 11 Pro camera whose output came in last place in quality of results:

> > o *iPhone 11 Pro front selfie camera ranks in last place of the top ten*
> >

> > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/vqzO9z

> > mgDgAJ>
>
> Nope. That's a lie.
>
> >

> > What's interesting is how _consistent_ the apologists are in _blaming_
> > everyone but Apple when Apple consistently fares poorly in performance.
> > o *Camera quality of output summary scores for the top 50*
> >
> > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qSEjEFtBrJU/xCVtmR
> > yfAwAJ>
>

> Nope. That's a lie.
>
> >

> > In that thread, nospam claims that Apple always fares poorly in real world
> > camera quality of output tests because, nospam claims, everyone else pays
> > DXOMark to rate Apple phones worse than Apple Marketing "claims" Apple
> > phones should rate.
> > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/QOwiN0L-i2w/Cp3sDH5aDwAJ>
>

[Wolffan]

On 05 Feb 2020, nospam wrote
(in article<050220200717551311%nos...@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<h9v1o2...@mid.individual.net>, Snit
> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article<r1dh4e$hcb$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> > > <arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design of the
> > > > iPhone 11 Pro camera
> > >
> > > i did not blame anyone, liar.
> >
> > Curious how you use the same attacks against others as you do me. I know
> > NOTHING of this fight, so you might be right, but I do know you accused
> > me of lying because I quoted you.
>
> not only do you know nothing about this discussion, by your own
> admission, but you choose to attack anyway and with yet another lie.
> that's truly fucked up.
>
> i accused you of lying because you lied. very simple. your quotes in
> other threads showed how little you understood about what was being
> discussed, which you then blamed others.
>
> educate yourself about 'arlen' and his obsessive and aberrant trolling
> by reading his numerous posts (generated by buggy automated scripts, so
> there's a shitload of identical ones), not that it will matter, since
> you ignore explanations that show you to be wrong.

oh Jesus fucking Christ, now he’s defending ‘Arlen’ as well as Brooks?
Killfile him. I have.

[nospam]

In article <0001HW.23EAED4202...@news.supernews.com>,

Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:

> On 05 Feb 2020, nospam wrote
> (in article<050220200717551311%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
>
> > In article<h9v1o2...@mid.individual.net>, Snit
> > <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article<r1dh4e$hcb$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> > > > <arlen.geo...@is.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > In this thread today, nospam blamed DXOMark for Apple's poor design
> > > > > of the
> > > > > iPhone 11 Pro camera
> > > >
> > > > i did not blame anyone, liar.
> > >
> > > Curious how you use the same attacks against others as you do me. I know
> > > NOTHING of this fight, so you might be right, but I do know you accused
> > > me of lying because I quoted you.
> >
> > not only do you know nothing about this discussion, by your own
> > admission, but you choose to attack anyway and with yet another lie.
> > that's truly fucked up.
> >
> > i accused you of lying because you lied. very simple. your quotes in
> > other threads showed how little you understood about what was being
> > discussed, which you then blamed others.
> >
> > educate yourself about 'arlen' and his obsessive and aberrant trolling
> > by reading his numerous posts (generated by buggy automated scripts, so
> > there's a shitload of identical ones), not that it will matter, since
> > you ignore explanations that show you to be wrong.
>

> oh Jesus fucking Christ, now heąs defending ŚArleną as well as Brooks?

sure looks that way, doesn't it? he's very fucked up.

> Killfile him. I have.

unfortunately, that won't change anything.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 05:42:16 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Call this "recycling" is optimistic at best and greenwashing at worst.
>
> i read it, and it's clear you aren't familiar with apple's recycling
> efforts.

This explanation below is for the _adults_ on this newsgroup only.

I've studied these apologists for years, and hence I consider myself (IMHO)
somewhat of an "authority" on their tactics - such that I can try to
explain why they say what they do, and even predict what they will say.

First, realize this nospam is different from the other Apple apologists.
o Most apologists actually speak what they truly internally believe

But nospam is the consummate bullshitter such that even he doesn't believe
a single word of what he says.

We can tell that by the way he often cleverly twists what he says, which is
quite different from what the rest of the apologists do - as nospam is able
to twist the slight differences in facts that indicate he actually has an
adult grasp of the facts the other apologists don't have.

The best way to characterize nospam is to imagine that he's an Apple
defense lawyer answering questions posed by Congress to explain Apple's
actions.

Nothing will be the truth; everything will be distorted in Apple's favor,
and, incessantly, the blame will _always_ be placed on everyone except
Apple for every flaw in Apple's behavior.

Just watch.
o Everything will what an Apple defense lawyer would say.

>> not that a typical non-Apple phone is any better on that front
>
> it's not. they're actually worse.

Everything nospam says is essentially what an Apple defense lawyer would
say, particularly in terms of blaming everyone but Apple for Apple's flaws.
o Why do both Apple & the apologists habitually blame everyone but Apple
for Apple's poor design choices?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Iee15bZl49I/i8xeBobOAAAJ>

While we can be balanced in saying that Apple is no better than anyone else
in terms of recycling, the point isn't the recycling, for me ... the point
is that Apple _claims_ to be better (when they're clearly not).

It's the same with almost everything Apple (e.g., privacy).
o Apple _claims_ they are better; but they're all essentially the same.

*What I deplore is the sheer fantastic hypocrisy in all Apple's claims*.
o e.g., how is it better for the environment that Apple clearly forces
something like ten million premature battery replacements every year?
--
Apple Marketing claims to be 'better than thou'... when they're not.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 13:59:04 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> Nothing will be the truth; everything will be distorted in Apple's favor,
> and, incessantly, the blame will _always_ be placed on everyone except
> Apple for every flaw in Apple's behavior.

Since my belief system is based on verifiable facts, here's a classic
recent example of nospam incessantly placing blame on everyone but Apple
for Apple flaws.
o A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs allowed hackers to install ransomware undetected.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/hftPQAEZr_g/wE5JBam9DQAJ>

In that thread, it was posted that iTunes on Windows was never tested for
commonly known flaws, & that those flaws were exploited for years on end.

The very first response to that thread was from nospam, which said,
essentially, that Apple's lack of testing iTunes is caused by Google!

WTF?

What does Google have to do with iTunes having never been tested for common
security exploits on Windows?

Here's that first post by nospam, so you can see it for yourself:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/hftPQAEZr_g/rkHUUdS9DQAJ>

== == == nospam's verbatim response to iTunes flaws is below == == ==
Yet again, Google proves to not have tested their software sufficiently...

ftfy

<https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/4/20898460/android-security-vulnerabil
ity-project-zero-pixel-galaxy-huawei-xiaomi>
Security researchers with Google零 Project Zero team have disclosed
an Android vulnerability that appears to have been exploited in the
real world, ZDNet reports. The issue affects phones manufactured by
Samsung, including the Galaxy S7, S8, and S9, as well as the Huawei
P20, Pixel 1, and Pixel.
== == == nospam's verbatim response to iTunes flaws is above == == ==

Please notice the dynamic, where nospam incessantly blames everyone but
Apple for Apple's flaws:

1. Apple never tested Windows' iTunes for common vulnerabilities
2. Those common vulnerabilities were apparently exploited for years
3. We reported factually on those vulnerabilities when we found out

Then, nospam's first and only response is to blame Google!

What on earth does Google's flaws have to do with Apple's flaws?
o HINT: I actually know the answer, but you have to delve deeply into the
Apologists brain, realizing the undue influence of marketing to understand
why apologists (and Apple) blame everyone but Apple for Apple's flaws.

But that explanation of _why_ apologists do this is for a later date.

For now, this example clearly illustrates how apologists' brains react.
o It's apparently Google's fault Apple never tested iTunes for years!
--
Apple apologists always prove to be quite unlike normal people.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-03-02 6:53 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 13:59:04 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> Nothing will be the truth; everything will be distorted in Apple's favor,
>> and, incessantly, the blame will _always_ be placed on everyone except
>> Apple for every flaw in Apple's behavior.
>
> Since my belief system is based on verifiable facts, here's a classic
> recent example of nospam incessantly placing blame on everyone but Apple
> for Apple flaws.
> o A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs allowed hackers to install ransomware undetected.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/hftPQAEZr_g/wE5JBam9DQAJ>
>
> In that thread, it was posted that iTunes on Windows was never tested for
> commonly known flaws, & that those flaws were exploited for years on end.
>
> The very first response to that thread was from nospam, which said,
> essentially, that Apple's lack of testing iTunes is caused by Google!

That's a lie.

What he did was point out your hypocrisy in only talking about Apple
vulnerabilities.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:10:01 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> The apologists (instead of debating the facts)...
> a. *Reacted with _instant_ fifth-grade vitriol to these mere facts*.
> b. *Reacted with _instant_ blame of everyone but Apple for these flaws*.

As we saw in this thread:
o Famous iOS apps are snooping on the Pasteboard - Learn Worthy, by Ant
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/XXaeEvEB79Y>

*The apologists _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple for Apple's flaws*
o Why?

Is _anyone_ on this newsgroup intelligent enough to realize exactly _why_
the apologists always _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple for Apple flaws?

I am.

We see this all the time
o You saw it with Siri
o You see it with CPU throttling (even Apple does it!)
o You saw it here

It's everywhere!
o But only when Apple flaws are discussed.

I completely understand, after much thought, exactly why.
o But I doubt many of you comprehend why.

I don't say that glibly, since the answer to that question is what had
befuddled me for years, until I figured it out, where the answer is akin to
the ultimate understanding of the apologists' true thought process.

Until you accept these two basic facts, you'll never understand apologists.

FACT 1:
o Apologists instantly blame everyone but Apple for Apple flaws.

FACT 2:
o Windows/Linux/Android users never blame Apple for their OS flaws.
--
To understand why is to realize how powerful Apple MARKETING truly is.

[Arlen Holder]

Yet again, just now, the apologists _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple...
o For Apple bugs.

It's their gut reaction to _any_ serious bugs found in Apple code.
o This deflection game is a key tenet of all MARKETING propaganda ploys.

Blame anyone but Apple...
o For Apple's poor decisions.

Case in point:
o Pervasive Mac bug causes HEIC files imported from iOS devices
and converted to JPG to contain more than 1.5MB of empty data
appended to the end of each file
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/setAWNgVaz8>

To which the _first_ response from "Geoff" is to blame Google & Microsoft!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/setAWNgVaz8/tBw0Vg_5AAAJ>

Verbatim:
"There are far more and more serious bugs in all Windows, Microsoft,
and Android-based software and hardware."

Notice apologists _instantly_ blame Microsoft & Google for Apple bugs!
o The question is why?

After studying the apologists for a decade, I think I know why.

It took me a long time to figure out _why_ apologists always instantly
blame everyone but Apple for bugs that have nothing to do with Google or
Microsoft.

HINT: The apologists _hate_ that Apple never is what MARKETING said it was.
--
Apologists gravitate to protecting Apple because they bought into the
MARKETING spiel and they feel they must defend Apple's poor design choices.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-05-03 5:03 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> Yet again, just now, the apologists _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple...
> o For Apple bugs.

No. They don't, you lying troll.