Why do the Apple Apologists always deflect blame and call all facts they don't like, trolls?

[Harry Newton]

Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?
a. They deny that which Apple already admitted, and,
b. They claim all facts they don't like are "trolls", and,
c. They try to deflect blame on everyone but their beloved platform!

Why do the Apple Apologists always deflect blame and call all facts they
don't like, trolls?

Yesterday, I posted platform-specific information to a bunch of related
newsgroups, where I culled out Linux-only information for the Linux
newsgroup, I assembled Android-only information for the Android newsgroup,
Windows-only information for the Windows newsgroups, Linux-only information
for the Linux newsgroups, Wi-Fi only information for the WiFi newsgroups,
etc.

Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do two things consistently occur:
1. Apple Apologists call any fact they don't like, a troll:
(e.g., Jolly Roger)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/wyUlhrCpDwAJ>
2. Apple Apologists always try to deflect blame onto the other platforms!
(e.g., nospam)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/rG4TzoxeDwAJ>
3. Apple Apologists even blame the bearer of direct Apple quotes!
(e.g., *Hemidactylus*)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/jVZqnUfdsK8/OagNZlamDwAJ

Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Newsgroups which received factual posts of platform-specific information:
alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair, alt.os.linux,
comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android,
alt.internet.wireless, comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system,
alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do the recipients constantly:
a. Always try to deflect blame away from Apple, and,
b. Call all facts they don't like, trolls.

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What is it about Apple Apologists that is not in normal adult behavior?

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-06 04:51, Harry Newton wrote:
> Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Why don't you stop posting anti Apple crap? It is tiring.
At a minimum, please stop posting to non Apple groups.

Every day I see posts from YOU blasting something Apple or the other. I
don't care about Apple!


I will have to filter you out, with all your names past and future!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Ken Blake]

Please do so! He's long been killfiled here, and I don't want to have
to read his posts in your replies to him.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-06, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
>
> Blah blah Apple Apologists blah blah blah blah blah blah

Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.

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E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Harry Newton]

On 6 Jan 2018 17:11:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.

I love when you post because you're *both* a troll & an Apple Apologist!

An Apple Apologist is one who incessantly brazenly *fabricates* imaginary
functionality in Apple devices that simply does not exist (e.g., Snit
posted his fabrications of iOS functionality over 400 times alone!).

And they incessantly deny facts by outright lies and clever contortions
(e.g., nospam is the most cleverly duplicitous at this technique).

The fact that the Apple Apologists also call any fact they don't like a
troll, just makes them trolls (e.g., Jolly Roger is the biggest troll, who
also happens to be an Apple Apologist).

There really are only a handful of Apple Apologists, and they all exhibit
the traits of Apple Apologists in all their posts.
* They are incessant fabricators of imaginary functionality
* They brazenly deny facts (even those admitted by Apple themselves)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-06, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> On 6 Jan 2018 17:11:38 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Your broken record trolls are boring. Get some new material, old fool.
>

> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Apple Apologist!

Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.

[Harold Newton]

On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.

This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the classic
Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.

Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/9laIXKhqyAA>
--------
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:12:25 -0500, rickman wrote:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/9laIXKhqyAA/r5cWg2aQAAAJ>

> I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
> because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".

Rick,
You are logical and stating what any reasonable adult would state.
But you're not dealing with normal thinking adults.

You have to remember whom you're dealing with, where the Apple Apologists
(nospam and Jolly Roger and BK @ OnRamp.net being major Apple Apologists)
will argue *any* semantic avenue they can.

They will state that nobody noticed.
They will state that you should only read Apple MARKETING explanations.
They will state that it was for the good of the consumer.
etc.

You can *predict* everything the Apple Apologists will say because they act
like a cornered rat would act, if that cornered rat were Apple MARKETING
herself.

They'll never admit the truth.
They'll twist out of the logical trap with clever semantic distortions.
And, when all else fails, they'll outright tell boldfaced lies.

In addition, Jolly Roger (more so than the rest) will simply call any fact
he doesn't like, a troll.

If you haven't already noticed this, then just continue what you think is
an adult conversation with them ... and it *always* devolves to what I
stated above (and worse).

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-07, Harold Newton <har...@example.com> wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>

> Blah blah blah Apple Appologists blah blah blah blah

Yet another a broken record troll from "Harry"...

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>
> This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the classic
> Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.
>
> Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

This is more trolling from you.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:25:51 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:
>> On 6 Jan 2018 18:00:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Just can't do it, eh? You're a sad, boring, old troll.
>>

>> This was just posted to the Android folks who are dealing with the cliassic

>> Apple Appologists antics of Jolly Roger, nospam, and BK at OnRamp.net.
>>
>> Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

Wrong. Wife and I had a 6 and 6+ until last month, bought the day
they came out. No loss of speed on them and they were over three
years old.

But you know more about my equipment than I.

Oh, I'm not an Apple apologist. They have little need for it.

>
>This is more trolling from you.

Yep. It just doesn't end. I kill filed him and still see his crap
when others reply.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-07 21:04, B...@Onramp.net wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:25:51 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-07 19:32, Harold Newton wrote:

...

>> This is more trolling from you.
>
> Yep. It just doesn't end. I kill filed him and still see his crap
> when others reply.

I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(


--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Harry Newton]

Another classic case of Apple Apology by both nospam and JollY Roger
attempting to make the wholly fabricated and ludicrous claim that every
manufacturer of smart phones *secretly*, *permanently*, and *drastically"
throttles CPU performance after just one year!

Here's a direct quote from the Apple Apologists Jolly Roger just today:
"All batteries degrade over time, and there has been zero evidence that
there is a widespread issue with Apple device battery defects across all
models of their devices. Also, Apple devices aren't "crashing",
"unexpectedly rebooting", or "locking up" due to dying batteries - those
are not symptoms of the problem. The symptom of the problem is the
device spontaneously shuts down in the middle of whatever you are doing
because performance was allowed to spike to a point where the current
draw was more than the battery in its deteriorated condition could
handle. If that happens to be during a critical moment during a 911
call, you're fucked. Nobody wants their smartphone to spontaneously shut
down. So Apple added a feature in iOS 10 that monitored battery health,
detected when batteries could no longer provide needed current, and
reduced *peak* *spikes* in performance from happening, which has the
natural effect of preventing unwanted shutdowns and extends runtime.
And since only peak spikes are prevented, most apps continue to run at
full speed. Extended runtime on a dying battery is something all of us
want out of our devices (well, those of us without a trollish agenda,
that is)."

Here's my response, which merely contains fact.

On 9 Jan 2018 18:06:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Android does indeed throttle in certain situations as well.

Despite the Apple Apologists incessant fabricated claisms always attempting
to imply that everyone *secretly*, *permanently*, and *drastically*
throttles CPUs (to less than half the original speeds!) after only a year
or so of use, the facts say otherwise.

Android Phones Do Not Slow Down Due to Old Batteries: Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC
<https://www.bintooshoots.com/android-phones-do-not-slow-down-due-to-old-batteries-samsung-lg-motorola-htc/>

Apple Alone: Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC All Deny Crippling Phones to Preserve Battery Life
<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/261273-apple-alone-samsung-lte-motorola-htc-deny-crippling-phones-preserve-battery-life>

We don't throttle performance on our Android phones like Apple, say HTC and Motorola
<https://www.androidauthority.com/htc-motorola-iphone-throttle-cpu-performance-android-826193/>

HTC & Motorola don't follow Apple's idea of slowing down CPU performance
<https://phandroid.com/2017/12/28/htc-motorola-cpu-throttling-response/>

HTC and Motorola say they don't slow down phones with old batteries like Apple does
<https://www.phonedog.com/2017/12/28/htc-motorola-dont-slow-down-phones-old-batteries-apple>

Not us! Android makers say they never slow phones over battery problems
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-cpu-throttle-battery-news/>

Samsung and LG also confirm they do not slow down phones with older batteries
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-and-LG-also-confirm-they-do-not-slow-down-phones-with-older-batteries_id101140>

Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC Confirm They Do Not Slow Down Older Devices
<http://www.bighugenews.com/post/Samsung,-LG,-Motorola,-HTC-confirm-they-do-not-slow-down-older-devices/>

No, Samsung and LG don't throttle their devices like Apple
<https://www.dailydot.com/debug/android-slow-down-phones/>

Samsung And LG Take A Dig At Apple, Claim That They Don't Slow Down Their Phones With Older Batteries
<http://naturalmakeuptutorialforbeginners.tk/news/Samsung-and-LG-Take-A-Dig-At-Apple,-Claim-That-They-Don%E2%80%99t-Slow-Down-Their-Phones-With-Older-Batteries/>

We don't throttle performance on our Android phones like Apple, say HTC and Motorola
<https://www.androidauthority.com/htc-motorola-iphone-throttle-cpu-performance-android-826193/>

HTC and Motorola say they don't slow old phones like Apple does
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/28/16825288/htc-motorola-dont-slow-processor-speeds-old-batteries-apple>

HTC & Motorola say they don't throttle older phones like Apple does as they age
<https://androidandme.com/2017/12/news/htc-and-motorola-say-they-dont-throttle-older-phones-as-batteries-age/>

Samsung, LG, HTC & Motorola don't slow old phones like Apple does
<https://www.androidos.in/2017/12/android-phones-cpu-throttling/>

Joining other Android makers, Samsung & LG claim to not throttle CPUs as batteries age
<https://9to5google.com/2017/12/29/lg-samsung-not-throttling-cpu-battery-apple/>

Apple battery controversy: This is what Samsung, LG, Motorola and HTC have to say to their users
<https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/apple-battery-controversy-this-is-what-samsung-lg-motorola-and-htc-have-to-say-to-their-users/articleshow/62297075.cms>

HTC and Motorola don+IBk-t throttle performance like Apple does
<http://pocketnow.com/2017/12/28/htc-and-motorola-throttling-policies-apple>

Motorola and HTC Confirm They Don't Throttle Older Devices
<https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-htc-dont-throttle-older-devices/>

What's amazing is that the Apple Apologists deny what nobody else denies,
which is that Apple stands alone in what they did to *secretly*,
*permanently*, and *drastically* throttle iPhone performance
after about a year of use.

And Apple is on record saying they'll do the same to the iPhone 8 &
iPhone X (which makes the iPhone 8 about 1/2 an iPhone 8, or an
iPhone IV, and the iPhone X about an iPhone V, so you may as well
halve any benchmark you ever see on an iPhone moving forward because
it will be half the reported performance after only about a year of
use if they follow what their predecessors did.

These are all straight facts.

[Harry Newton]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:58:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
> he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(

If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.

The reason any thread involving fact-hating Apple Apologists drags on
forever is that the Apple Apologists *hate* the truth.

For the simplest of examples, look at this post today:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/ydeKBfyo-O0/2ZQfQ_6REAAJ>

1. I called Apple over the span of days asking the same question.
2. Apple refuses to reveal, over the phone, the full price & tax.
3. When I mentioned that fact - nospam instantly denies that fact.

Yet, it's trivial to confirm with a single phone call:
a. Call Apple and ask for the tax on the service in California
b. They will refuse to tell you what they tax

Try it.

When I confront nospam's denial with fact, Jolly Roger chimes in with
typical Apple Apologist hate-filled vitriol. As do the other fact-hating
Apple Apologists.

The fact-hating Apple Apologist are what wrecks this newsgroup.

[nospam]

In article <p338ov$1117$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton

<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.

it's been done, countless times.

[Harry Newton]

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:31:47 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>
> it's been done, countless times.

You respond with the most childish of taunts, but the facts remain and your
outright denial of the facts doesn't make them untrue.

Facts are anathema to you fact-hating Apple Apologists.
1. Jolly Roger posted classic Apple Apologists blame others for what Apple
did
2. I posted a dozen articles factually refuting Jolly Roger's claim
3. Jolly Roger responds "blah blah blah" & "All that effort for nothing".
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FZVR227jn4g/3KKAfGTJAQAJ>

The Apple Apologists flip a coin to deny any fact they simply don't like.
1. I posted that Apple won't tell you the battery-service tax on the phone
2. Nonsense, says the fact-hating Apple Apologist nospam.
3. And yet, it's true (and easily proven).
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fyL1cQUVCp0/DPztEFSPAQAJ>

I always wondered why the half-dozen fact-hating Apple Apologists hate
facts.

I think it may be that the Apple Apologists hate fact because:
a. Facts shake the foundation of the Apple Apologists' belief system
b. Few of the fact-hating Apple Apologists appear to be formally educated
Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, *Hemidactylus*, etc.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-09, Harry Newton <harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:31:47 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>>
>> it's been done, countless times.
>
> You respond with the most childish of taunts

You ignore and argue with anyone who calls you out on your trolls, and
*that* is childish.

> but the facts remain

Your so-called "facts" are lies.

[dorayme]

In article <090120181531474478%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

Would you stop answering this moron? And how about shutting up
yourself for a while. It won't kill you. You will be refreshed by the
experience.

The Ashes cricket between Australia and England have been on recently
here in Australia. The cricket commentators, all former great players,
seem not to understand that it is perfectly ok for them to STOP
TALKING and repeating themselves endlessly and let people enjoy
watching the game on TV. I am reminded of this when I see your endless
rubbish and replies to rubbish on this usenet.

--
dorayme

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2018-01-09 21:30, Harry Newton wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:58:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I have him flagged, not deleted, because some times I find a few things
>> he says interesting. Till he starts with his rampages... :-(
>
> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
> You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.

Dozens!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:04:56 +1100, dorayme wrote:

>> it's been done, countless times.
>
> Would you stop answering this moron?

dorayme,

Calling me a "moron" is like me calling you a "bitch".

I realize you're all emotion - and not a lick of logic - so I'll be gentle
with you since you lack any semblance of logical thought processes.

I do believe you are educated, are you not?

If you are actually educated, then you know that I provided *facts* that
refuted what Jolly Roger stated.

If you *comprehended* those facts, then you do have the capability to
comprehend facts.

To call me a moron for providing facts merely says something about you.

[Harry Newton]

On 9 Jan 2018 21:10:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Your so-called "facts" are lies.

I *love* when you post because I learn the most about the fact-hating Apple
Apologists from what you write (as nospam is far more clever at attempting
to refute facts than you are).

I provided a dozen valid factual news articles, each of which discussed the
factual reports from a bevy of the top Android phone makers who went on
record directly refuting what you claimed to be the case.

You call them all "lies".

One has to wonder why the fact-hating Apple Apologists call all facts lies,
but I think I am slowly beginning to understand why you act like you do.

1. I think facts shake the utter foundation of your belief system, and,
2. I think the half-dozen Apple Apologists completely lack higher education
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

[Harry Newton]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 02:03:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> If you find a single mistruth ever stated by me, let everyone know.
>> You won't find a single one because I only speak fact.
>
> Dozens!

I think all of you fact-free people who responded lack any semblance of a
formal education because nobody who is educated who cares about their
credibility would risk their credibility by making the lame statement you
just made.

You'd earn an F for making that claim without backing it up with a single
referenced fact.

Not one fact do you *ever* provide, Carlos.

Your'e the fact-free Carlos E.R. of this newsgroup.

You know I consider you fact free - and I've *always* considered you fact
free, so, all you need to do is list a single time, in thousands of my
posts, where I listed an incorrect fact.

Name just one.

[nospam]

In article <p33v8h$o9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry Newton
<harryn...@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

> call me a moron

if you insist.

[Harry Newton]

What I like about you is that you contort facts to fit your belief system.

It's a classic Apple Apologist tactic.

[harry newton]

He who is Harry Newton said on Sat, 6 Jan 2018 03:51:16 +0000 (UTC):

> Only on the Apple-related newsgroups do the recipients constantly:
> a. Always try to deflect blame away from Apple, and,
> b. Call all facts they don't like, trolls.

Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be
Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update
<https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>

"Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices
to operate slowly."

"Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power
management feature ... first in a developer release that happens
next month."

"We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you
don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."

[Harold Newton]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 03:51:16 +0000 (UTC), Harry Newton wrote:

> Why are Apple Apologists not like normal people when it comes to facts?

Only Apple screws its customers to the wall with the iOS updates.

Read this:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/01/18/apple-ios-11-3-release-upgrade-iphone-shutdown-iphone-battery-problem/>

"Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up"
"Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"

"Apple's Reasoning Still Doesn't Add Up"
"The company blames the natural degradation of lithium-ion batteries,
without addressing why rivals state such measures are unnecessary.
Samsung in particular reiterated to me it can retain 95% lithium-ion
battery capacity for at least two years."

"Apple also hasn't explained why the first six generations of iPhones
were unaffected (even the 2007 original iPhone had a 1400 mAh
lithium-ion battery) or why "protective" stability measures weren't
required in the first nine generations of iOS (throttling began with
the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S in iOS 10.2.1, released in January 2017)."

"Apple's Transparency Still Sucks"
"Let's be frank, for all Tim Cook's claims of transparency moving
forward, the only reason Apple is doing any of this is because it
was caught out. Furthermore, in speaking to ABC, Cook appears to
be rewriting history".

NOTE: It has been proven the "power management" part was added way
*later* to the original January release notes, and *never* to the
iPhone 7 release notes.
? Evidence Apple cleverly manipulated iOS release notes on "power
management" after the fact
?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/KXhivHMvrlY>

"But I was paying attention. I review iOS releases, my exclusive broke
the original shutdown problem and here's the "clarity" offered by the
iOS 10.2.1 release notes: "iOS 10.2.1 includes bug fixes and improves
the security of your device."

"It was no better one year later either. When Apple launched iOS 11.2
in December 2017, the update added potential performance throttling
for the iPhone 7. The iOS 11.2 release notes said: "iOS 11.2 introduces
Apple Pay Cash to send, request and receive money from friends and
family with Apple Pay. This update also includes bug fixes and
improvements."

"Yes Tim, this could've been clearer."

"For those who bought an iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus or iPhone X last
year only to find out performance throttling is likely to begin
this year may feel shortchanged as well."

Trust:
"So iOS 11.3 is indeed The Big One. Obviously it's big for iPhone
owners, but it's equally big for Apple because - done right - it
can do more than just restore iPhones. It can do what Apple
has singularly failed to do with words: it can restore trust."