iPhone XR vs iPhone 11

JF Mezei

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Sep 10, 2019, 10:33:43 PM9/10/19

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The two phones are nearly identical.

Same size, same weight. Same screen size and resolution.

Differences:
faster CPU on 11.
Useless extra ultra-wide camera on 11.
IP68 on 11 vs IP67 on XR.
what else?

Interesting that Apple kept 2 nearly identical phones in the product
lineup. This is very much like the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 and iPhone6s
(where the 6s sold very very well).

In terms of he pro. it is a Xs without 3D touch and with the 3rd useless
ultra-wide angle camera.

I found the keynote to be lacking in many areas where Apple rose above
the rest in past years. for instance, discussion on the use of high
wiuality lenses, better camera sensors etc.

No discussion on the removal of 3D touch. (For me, I always had it
disabled, so not affected by its disappearance), but at least when Apple
ditched the standard audio jack, they discussed their "courageous" move.

There was no discussion on the iBeacon bluetooth microlocation.

nospam

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Sep 10, 2019, 10:42:53 PM9/10/19

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In article <a2ZdF.179575$Pr1.1...@fx01.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Useless extra ultra-wide camera on 11.

actually, extremely useful

Rod Speed

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Sep 10, 2019, 11:53:28 PM9/10/19

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"JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
news:a2ZdF.179575$Pr1.1...@fx01.iad...

They appeared to be short of time with all the spruiking of the new camera
capabilitys.

Lewis

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Sep 11, 2019, 1:17:12 AM9/11/19

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In message <a2ZdF.179575$Pr1.1...@fx01.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> The two phones are nearly identical.

Not really.

> Same size, same weight. Same screen size and resolution.

> Differences:
> faster CPU on 11.

That is a significant difference.

> Useless extra ultra-wide camera on 11.

"useless" to you. Sure. Don't buy it. You cannot say it is identical
though. Noir "nearly" identical. It is not. It is a significant and
obvious difference. Also, an hour more battery life than the already
phenomenal battery life on the XR.

> IP68 on 11 vs IP67 on XR.

Another significant difference.

> Interesting that Apple kept 2 nearly identical phones in the product
> lineup. This is very much like the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 and iPhone6s
> (where the 6s sold very very well).

IN terms of general size, yes. In any other terms, no.

> In terms of he pro. it is a Xs without 3D touch and with the 3rd useless
> ultra-wide angle camera.

Again, if you don't want it, don't buy it. That doesn't make it useless
and it doesn’t make it "nearly identical."

Also FIVE FUCKING HOURS of additional battery life.

FIVE.

HOURS.

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Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:40:43 AM9/11/19

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:33:42 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> The two phones are nearly identical.

FACTS

Au contraire... the new iPhone 11 has 2 new colors (purple & green)
o Amazing how "innovative" Apple can be with "technology" (like colors)

For example, Dolby Atmos, something that came out in 2012 and which has
been in Android for a while now, where Apple is always playing catchup.

And let's not forget IP68, where, as usual, the super expensive iPhone is
barely catching up to many far less expensive Android devices on that
rating.

Given Apple touts the speed of the CPU, it will be interesting what that
speed is after just about a year, given almost all the recent iPhones had
to be permanently & drastically throttled just so they would be stable.

And the camera is still playing catchup to Android, as usual, particularly
given the super expensive iPhone's cameras are usually near the bottom of
the top Android devices and where PLENTY of Android devices have better
camera QOR.

However...

We'll have to wait for the independent reviews of the usually disappointing
camera Quality of Output (where the camera quality of results of even the
most horrifically expensive iPhones is usually lackluster given the
astronomical price of these devices compared to less expensive Android
phones with far better camera output in independent tests).

In the end, the biggest innovations, it would seem, are the 2 new colors.

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HINT: Even a five year old Android device has far more app functionality.

Chris

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Sep 11, 2019, 1:47:41 PM9/11/19

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JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> The two phones are nearly identical.
>
> Same size, same weight. Same screen size and resolution.
>
> Differences:
> faster CPU on 11.

Different generation of cpu. A12 on XR A13 on the 11.

> Useless extra ultra-wide camera on 11.

Higher resolution front and back on the 11.

> IP68 on 11 vs IP67 on XR.
> what else?

Better battery life on the 11 plus various bumps on LTE, Wi-Fi, etc.

Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
they're identical in size so must have same battery capacity? Must be all
in software which doesn't seem right.

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 1:54:52 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbbvr$5jr$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
> they're identical in size so must have same battery capacity? Must be all
> in software which doesn't seem right.

that was explained in detail during the keynote.

tl;dr a13 and other components are more power efficient.

Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 2:47:16 PM9/11/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:47:39 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life

Hi Chris,

Yours is a good question, where it will take adults to formulate an answer:
o Adults can comprehend basic facts, and,
o Adults can then form logical conclusions from those facts.

FACTS:

First, keep in mind this rather basic fact, for example:
o "Apple CHANGED how it measures battery life with these latest iPhones"

<https://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-11-Pro-Max-battery-life-size_id118827>

--
Note: More details on Apple's usually BS battery life claims to come...

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 2:52:01 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbffj$pj3$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> > Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life
> >

> Yours is a good question, where it will take adults to formulate an answer:

nope. all it takes is watching the keynote.

even a child can figure it out, so why don't you give it a try?

> First, keep in mind this rather basic fact, for example:
> o "Apple CHANGED how it measures battery life with these latest iPhones"

only slightly and still conservative. most people will get *longer*
than advertised.

Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 2:53:08 PM9/11/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:54:51 -0400, nospam wrote:

> a13 and other components are more power efficient.

Never think Apple MARKETING isn't BRILLIANTLY clever at fooling people.
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-11-Pro-Max-battery-life-size_id118827>

Verbatim quote:
"*Apple _CHANGED_ the way it measures battery life* with these latest
iPhones as it now features two different video playback tests, while it no
longer provides official talk time and Internet use (browsing) numbers."

Lewis

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Sep 11, 2019, 2:56:04 PM9/11/19

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It's all the A13 which has much more efficient power management. They
spend quite a lot of time on that in the presentation.

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nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 2:58:24 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbfqj$qco$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> > a13 and other components are more power efficient.
>
> Never think Apple MARKETING isn't BRILLIANTLY clever at fooling people.

marketing didn't design the chips and nobody is being fooled.

> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-11-Pro-Max-battery-life-size_id118827>
>
> Verbatim quote:
> "*Apple _CHANGED_ the way it measures battery life* with these latest
> iPhones as it now features two different video playback tests, while it no
> longer provides official talk time and Internet use (browsing) numbers."

that doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

read a bit further:
Still, we used the numbers from this year to compare the newest
iPhone 11 family to previous iPhones. The jump in battery life for
the iPhone 11 Pro Max compared to an iPhone 7, 8 or an X is truly
gigantic:

'truly gigantic'

Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:01:02 PM9/11/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:52:03 -0400, nospam wrote:

> only slightly and still conservative. most people will get *longer*
> than advertised.

Hi nospam,

FACT: (from badgolferman's well-cited factual post)
o Apple has been caught in public lies regarding "claimed" battery usage.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/q9XTPJpz0wE/ui2IROFmAgAJ>
"Which? tested nine iPhone models and found that all of them fell short
of Apple's battery time claims. In fact, Apple stated that its batteries
lasted between 18 per cent and 51 per cent longer than the Which? results,
said Which? in a statement."

FACT:
What I find interesting is that you've been dead wrong on the throttling of
the iPhone X phones, where ALL the claims by Apple are bullshit, simply
because the phones need to have their CPUs throttled (although no longer
secretly - but only because Apple got caught) due to the inability of Apple
iPhone designs to handle their claimed CPU speeds sans loss of stability.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1RiqBADD-vE/Ub2H7RfdBQAJ>

ASSESSMENT:
What evidence do you provide to us that shows you're not dead wrong again?

--
HINT: Apple has been caught multiple times lying about battery life claims.

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:05:55 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbg9d$r4d$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> where ALL the claims by me are bullshit,

ftfy

Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:11:28 PM9/11/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:58:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> 'truly gigantic'

Hi nospam,

Rest assured I read the entire article, where the fact is that Apple has
been caught publicly lying (to Congress for example) about their secret
throttling of iPhones that couldn't meet their performance claims after
"about a year".

To my knowledge, NOBODY reliable has EVER been able to back up Apple's "up
to" claims in battery life after only "about a year" of use on the recent
spate of horrifically priced iPhones.

Since you apparently believe everything Apple says (where you even
repeatedly deny even what Apple already admitted!), everything you say
about the new iPhone's battery life is merely parroting the same cleverly
manipulated marketing slop that Apple fed you.

Apple marketing is clever enough to realize by the time reliable reports
prove that they marketing imaginary bullshit (again), they'll be moving on
to the real phones (i.e., the 5G phones, for example), instead of this set
of copycat phones whose big improvement is apparently...
o "A new shade of gold!"

Note it takes about a year to figure out all the lies Apple fed you:
o Every indication is that the new line of astronomically-priced Apple iPhones are just as flawed as the iPhone 6 to 7 to 8 to X are
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1RiqBADD-vE/Hry3kQmMFAAJ>

--
HINT: FACT: Apple never told anyone they were SECRETLY halving CPU speeds!

Arlen G. Holder

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:17:47 PM9/11/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:05:57 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> where ALL the claims by me are bullshit,
>
> ftfy

You apologists always prove to act like a child when faced with facts.
o Apologists can only regurgitate what Apple marketing feeds you.

Apologists rarely provide independent cites backing up their claims

For example:
o Apple lied about battery life, here's what you need to know
<https://www.komando.com/happening-now/565479/apple-lied-about-battery-life-heres-what-you-need-to-know>

"Recent tests performed by consumer advocacy groups have found the folks
at Cupertino have been exaggerating the iPhone's battery life significantly
-- with none of the current lineup of phones living up to Apple's projected
battery targets."

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:20:57 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbgsv$s3n$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> Rest assured I read the entire article,

unlikely, but if so, you failed to understand what was written.

> where the fact is that Apple has
> been caught publicly lying (to Congress for example)

lying to congress is a crime, so if they were 'caught', as you claim,
there would have been *significant* penalties.

since nothing remotely close to that happened, your 'facts' are
completely fabricated, as usual.

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 3:20:59 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlbh8q$sl6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> I always act like a child when faced with facts.

ftfy

Arlen G. Holder

o "Apple CHANGED how it measures battery life with these latest iPhones"

<https://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-11-Pro-Max-battery-life-size_id118827>

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Time will tell as it often takes a year to find out about throttling.

nospam

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Sep 11, 2019, 11:33:44 PM9/11/19

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In article <qlc4fl$tld$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
>
> I lied.

ftfy

JF Mezei

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Sep 11, 2019, 11:57:10 PM9/11/19

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On 2019-09-11 13:47, Chris wrote:

> Different generation of cpu. A12 on XR A13 on the 11.

faster, but identical fnctions. To the average user. not much difference.

The Apple presentation focused on games because that is likely where the
higher CPU performance does make a slight difference.

> Higher resolution front and back on the 11.

back cameras on the 11 are 12MP. Same as rhe one camera on the XR.
Correct that the selfie camera on the 11 is 12, and higher than on the XR.

> Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
> they're identical in size

More power efficient CPU and components make a difference. And when
iFixit does its teardown, we'll see if they increase battery capacity.

nospam

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Sep 12, 2019, 12:04:29 AM9/12/19

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In article <qmjeF.307763$la1.1...@fx33.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > Different generation of cpu. A12 on XR A13 on the 11.
>
> faster, but identical fnctions. To the average user. not much difference.

faster is a noticeable difference.

> The Apple presentation focused on games because that is likely where the
> higher CPU performance does make a slight difference.

the various photo modes, which is a massive amount of calculations, is
where it makes a significant difference.

> > Higher resolution front and back on the 11.
>
> back cameras on the 11 are 12MP. Same as rhe one camera on the XR.

xr has one camera. 11 has two and the 11 pro has three.

> Correct that the selfie camera on the 11 is 12, and higher than on the XR.

the selfie camera is also wider.

> > Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
> > they're identical in size
>
> More power efficient CPU and components make a difference. And when
> iFixit does its teardown, we'll see if they increase battery capacity.

among other things...

Arlen Holder

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Sep 12, 2019, 2:23:01 AM9/12/19

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:33:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I lied.
>
> ftfy

I've studied each one of you apologists, nospam.

And what I love about all you apologists, nospam,
o Is you prove for me you have absolutely no adult defense to facts.

Chris

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Sep 12, 2019, 3:40:02 AM9/12/19

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I doubt an incremental change in cpu design will have that large an effect
on real world usage.

Lewis

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Sep 12, 2019, 9:27:28 AM9/12/19

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In message <qmjeF.307763$la1.1...@fx33.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> More power efficient CPU and components make a difference. And when
> iFixit does its teardown, we'll see if they increase battery capacity.

No one gives a shit about battery CAPACITY, they care about battery life.

Your post was nothing but bullshit.

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nospam

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Sep 12, 2019, 9:57:13 AM9/12/19

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In article <qlco84$t0b$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

>
> I've studied how to troll.

ftfy

nospam

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Sep 12, 2019, 9:57:14 AM9/12/19

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In article <qlcsog$kj9$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> >> Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
> >> they're identical in size so must have same battery capacity? Must be all
> >> in software which doesn't seem right.
> >
> > It's all the A13 which has much more efficient power management. They
> > spend quite a lot of time on that in the presentation.
>
> I doubt an incremental change in cpu design will have that large an effect
> on real world usage.

5 additional hours of runtime is a large difference.

Arlen Holder

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Sep 12, 2019, 4:00:20 PM9/12/19

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:57:14 -0400, nospam wrote:

> 5 additional hours of runtime is a large difference.

Hi nospam,

FACTS:
You keep regurgitating the slop (which you actually believe) from Apple.

What's amazing is how you apologists consistently fail to comprehend facts:
1. You fail to comprehend Apple _changed_ how they report battery life!
2. Hence, any old/new device comparison is complete & total utter bullshit.

In addition:
3. Apple has lied in the past about battery performance.
4. Apple has secretly _throttled_ phones in the past on battery performance

Worse...
5. Nobody reliable on this planet has ever reproduced Apple's claims.
6. In fact, independent tests show Apple's claims are ridiculously wrong!

What's amazing is how you apologists all fail simple adult tests
o You fail to comprehend even the most basic of facts, and,
o You fail to make logical assessments based on those facts.

References:
o Apple admits slowing phones down due to battery design problems
<https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-slows-down-older-iphone-battery-issues/>

o Apple lied about battery life by gross overestimations by 50%
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/05/04/iphone-battery-life-overestimated-by-apple/>

nospam

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Sep 12, 2019, 4:19:43 PM9/12/19

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In article <qle84j$bv9$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> FACTS:
> I keep regurgitating my slop

ftfy

Arlen Holder

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Sep 13, 2019, 3:50:03 AM9/13/19

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:19:44 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ftfy

Chris

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Sep 13, 2019, 3:53:54 AM9/13/19

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5?! Might want to read Apple's website again. 5 hours would be a big
difference except Apple quotes "up to an hour longer than iPhone XR" for
the 11.
https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11/specs/

Arlen Holder

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Sep 13, 2019, 4:39:27 AM9/13/19

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:53:53 +0100, Chris wrote:

> 5?! Might want to read Apple's website again. 5 hours would be a big
> difference except Apple quotes "up to an hour longer than iPhone XR" for
> the 11.
> https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11/specs/

1. Apple _changed_ how it reports battery life, and,
2. Even so, Apple has lied in the past on battery life claims.

o Toms Guide Battery Life Tests: iPhones don't live up to Apple's claims
<https://bgr.com/2018/09/25/iphone-xs-max-battery-life-test-vs-iphone-xs-vs-iphone-x-vs-android/>

o Battery life isn┤ as good as Apple says
<https://bgr.com/2018/09/26/iphone-xs-max-battery-life-test-vs-iphone-xs-galaxy-note-9-iphone-x/>
"battery tests revealed that Apple┬ new smartphones don┤ live up to
Apple┬ battery life estimates"

"real-life tests can┤ replicate Apple┬ testing"

o iPhone Battery Life doesn't live up to claims
<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-xs-iphone-xs-max-battery-life,review-5773.html>
"despite claims from Apple that the iPhone was supposed to last 30
minutes longer."

nospam

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Sep 13, 2019, 11:19:47 AM9/13/19

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In article <qlfhuh$8o6$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> I doubt an incremental change in cpu design will have that large an effect
> >> on real world usage.
> >
> > 5 additional hours of runtime is a large difference.
>
> 5?! Might want to read Apple's website again. 5 hours would be a big
> difference except Apple quotes "up to an hour longer than iPhone XR" for
> the 11.
> https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11/specs/
>

<https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11-pro/specs/>
Lasts up to 4 hours longer than iPhone XS
Lasts up to 5 hours longer than iPhone XS Max

Lewis

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Sep 13, 2019, 3:41:41 PM9/13/19

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In message <qlfhuh$8o6$1...@dont-email.me> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/09/2019 14:57, nospam wrote:
>> In article <qlcsog$kj9$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not sure how the 11 can get an extra hour of battery life over the XR given
>>>>> they're identical in size so must have same battery capacity? Must be all
>>>>> in software which doesn't seem right.
>>>>
>>>> It's all the A13 which has much more efficient power management. They
>>>> spend quite a lot of time on that in the presentation.
>>>
>>> I doubt an incremental change in cpu design will have that large an effect
>>> on real world usage.
>>
>> 5 additional hours of runtime is a large difference.

> 5?!

Yes.

> Might want to read Apple's website again. 5 hours would be a big
> difference except Apple quotes "up to an hour longer than iPhone XR" for
> the 11.

And 5 for the 11 Pro Max. It helps to read everything and not just the
shit you snipped.

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Arlen Holder

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Sep 13, 2019, 6:18:43 PM9/13/19

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:19:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

> <https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11-pro/specs/>
> Lasts up to 4 hours longer than iPhone XS
> Lasts up to 5 hours longer than iPhone XS Max

Given Apple marketing is brilliant at fooling the vast majority of people
o It's no wonder they compare battery life the strange way they do

What matters, at least as a STARTING point, is the battery capacity:
o Apple iPhone 11 - 3,110 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro - 3,190 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max - 3,500 mAh battery

When discussing Apple's exaggerated claims of battery life, always keep in
mind the obvious fact that nobody reliable on the planet has ever been able
to reproduce Apple's exaggerated battery life claims in the past, some
comparative battery initial capacity figures are in order.

And never forget the stark unavoidable fact that Apple has, for most of
their recent iPhones, felt the intense need to secretly throttle devices
(emphasis on secretly), after "about a year" of battery use, what really
matters is not Apple's exaggerated claims of imaginary battery life, but
what matters is the phone's actual performance, just one year from now).

nospam

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Sep 13, 2019, 7:15:22 PM9/13/19

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In article <qlh4k2$vpp$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> What matters, at least as a STARTING point, is the battery capacity:
> o Apple iPhone 11 - 3,110 mAh battery
> o Apple iPhone 11 Pro - 3,190 mAh battery
> o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max - 3,500 mAh battery

nope.

battery capacity does not matter without knowing how much power the
device consumes in normal use.

Arlen Holder

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Sep 13, 2019, 7:28:32 PM9/13/19

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:15:22 -0400, nospam wrote:

> battery capacity does not matter without knowing how much power the
> device consumes in normal use.

Hi nospam,

Given nobody on this planet has reliably reproduced Apple's bogus claims...

Let's be clear what I said and what you THINK I said.
o Bear in mind that I said a fact.

You don't have to like the fact ...
o But the fact remains that the battery capacity is a "STARTING POINT".

Given we can't trust anything Apple says about battery life, particularly
since Apple has felt the intense need to secretly throttle billions of
iPhones (emphasis on secret) due to the effect of battery performance on
stability - and since the SIZE of the battery has a large effect on its
performance ...

It's critically important - as a STARTING POINT - what the capacity is.

The facts show the STARTING POINT battery capacity to be:

o Apple iPhone 11 - 3,110 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro - 3,190 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max - 3,500 mAh battery

As reliably reported here:
<https://mspoweruser.com/iphone-11-and-iphone-11-pro-battery-and-ram-capacity-revealed/>

nospam

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Sep 13, 2019, 8:23:47 PM9/13/19

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In article <qlh8mv$6ir$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

>
> Given nobody on this planet has reliably reproduced Apple's bogus claims...

the only place you've checked is uranus.

Arlen Holder

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Sep 13, 2019, 10:53:22 PM9/13/19

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:23:47 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Given nobody on this planet has reliably reproduced Apple's bogus claims...
>
> the only place you've checked is uranus.

What's always interesting about you apologists, nospam
o Is that you have absolutely no adult response to facts.

For example, the current super expensive iPhone 11 devices
o Have a paltry amount of RAM compared to similarly priced Android devices

And RAM matters.
o Particularly when the RAM in iOS devices is laughably paltry.

FACT:
"The iOS device uses MORE RAM than an Android device, when freshly booted"
<https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE?t=210>

Notice these salient facts:
a. iOS devices use MORE RAM, and,
b. iOS devices come with LESS RAM!

A LOT less ram.

You can hate that fact nospam - but you hating that fact
o Doesn't change the fact that that fact is a fact.

Chris

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Sep 16, 2019, 3:42:50 AM9/16/19

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I specifically mentioned the XR (which you've now snipped) and the OP
subject is "iphone XR vs iPhone 11" FFS. But sure go ahead and change the
topic if you prefer.

Chris

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Sep 16, 2019, 3:48:50 AM9/16/19

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It also helps to stay on-topic. Read the thread and subject title. No-one
is talking about the 11 Pro Max.

nospam

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Sep 16, 2019, 7:36:15 AM9/16/19

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In article <qlnedp$ltp$2...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

no change in topic. they're all iphone 11, all of which have the new
a13 processor, and if you watched the keynote, you'd have seen the
lengthy explanation about the various optimizations in it. there are
additional optimizations in the pro series that give it a 4-5 hour
advantage over the non-pro.

Lewis

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Sep 16, 2019, 2:45:03 PM9/16/19

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Yes, you should read the whole thread.

> No-one is talking about the 11 Pro Max.

The iPhone 11 Pro Max is an iPhone 11. And yes, people WERE talking
about all the iPhones 11.

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JF Mezei

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Sep 16, 2019, 3:02:59 PM9/16/19

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On 2019-09-16 07:36, nospam wrote:

> no change in topic. they're all iphone 11, all of which have the new
> a13 processor, and if you watched the keynote, you'd have seen the
> lengthy explanation about the various optimizations in it. there are
> additional optimizations in the pro series that give it a 4-5 hour
> advantage over the non-pro.

Th Pro MAX being bigger has bigger battery. So not a totally fair
comparison.

One reason for that push for "dark mode" is that it makes a big
different in power consumption for OLED screens (but not for LCD
screens). OLED only lights up pixels that are not black. an LCD screen
has the always lighted background covering the whole screen. A black
screen just block the light that is still being produced.

Since they use the same CPUs and likely radios, I really doubt that
there is much diffrence in actual power consumption of the motherboard
between the 11, Pro and Pro Max.

Would be interesting to see battery autonomy diffrerence between the 11
and 11 Pro without dark mode.

nospam

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Sep 16, 2019, 3:12:57 PM9/16/19

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In article <C%QfF.46784$A81....@fx15.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > no change in topic. they're all iphone 11, all of which have the new
> > a13 processor, and if you watched the keynote, you'd have seen the
> > lengthy explanation about the various optimizations in it. there are
> > additional optimizations in the pro series that give it a 4-5 hour
> > advantage over the non-pro.
>
> Th Pro MAX being bigger has bigger battery. So not a totally fair
> comparison.

not 5 hours worth bigger.

the bulk of the difference is from the a13 and the new oled display.

Lewis

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Sep 16, 2019, 4:37:19 PM9/16/19

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In message <C%QfF.46784$A81....@fx15.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-09-16 07:36, nospam wrote:

>> no change in topic. they're all iphone 11, all of which have the new
>> a13 processor, and if you watched the keynote, you'd have seen the
>> lengthy explanation about the various optimizations in it. there are
>> additional optimizations in the pro series that give it a 4-5 hour
>> advantage over the non-pro.

> Th Pro MAX being bigger has bigger battery. So not a totally fair
> comparison.

Yes it is, because it gets 5 hours more battery than the XS Max.

> Since they use the same CPUs and likely radios, I really doubt that
> there is much diffrence in actual power consumption of the motherboard
> between the 11, Pro and Pro Max.

Of course you do, because you are an irrational moron who thinks Apple
lies all the time but have never once been able to point to a single
example.

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Arlen Holder

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Sep 16, 2019, 5:09:43 PM9/16/19

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:12:56 -0400, nospam wrote:

> the bulk of the difference is from the a13 and the new oled display.

Hehhehheh...
o Apple (rather cleverly) _changed_ how they measured battery life...

And even so...
o Nobody reliable on this planet has ever reproduced Apple's prior claims!

Chris

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Sep 16, 2019, 5:33:22 PM9/16/19

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The specific comparison was between the 11 (not Pro or Pro Max) and the XR.
THAT was the precise comment I made and which is what apple refers to with
their "upto" an hour's difference. Stop moving the goalposts.

Chris

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