Every indication is that the new line of astronomically-priced Apple iPhones are just as flawed as the iPhone 6 to 7 to 8 to X are

[arlen holder]

I only speak fact...
"Apple is pulling something of a trick here by quietly adding
[throttling] to the iPhone 8 and iPhone X after the fact...
we wouldn┤ be surprised to see the new iPhone XS and XR
phones added to the same list down the line"

HINT: The battery is the _same_ size, where battery physics didn't suddenly
change, so Apple designed the flaw, most likely, into the new phones too!

Oh goody!
Three entire complete years' line of flawed super expensive phones!

Apple is good at fooling people, e.g., Apple essentially lied to Congress:
o Apple screwed up with the design of their expensive line of iPhones
o Then Apple compounded the error by *secretly* throttling CPUs
o When Apple got caught, they lied that it was in the release notes
o Apple blamed "physics" for their secrecy (which only Apologists believed)
o When Apple got caught, they were forced to admit they lied multiple times
o Meanwhile, Apple was lying to Congress at the very same time!
o Now, we know _all_ the phones (iPhone 8 & X included) are flawed.
o Worse, indications are the new SUPER EXPENSIVE phones are also flawed!

*It's no wonder the sheep suddenly stopped grazing at 1 Infinite Loop!*

o Don't worry, Apple probably won't throttle your iPhone X or 8
<https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-likely-wont-throttle-iphone-x-or-8/>
"In Apple's rebuttal to congress, the company says its newest
iPhones have unspecified 'hardware updates' that prevent them
from needing to be slowed down like the iPhone 6 or 6S."

And yet, now _all_ the iPhones from the past expensive crop are throttled!
o Last year┬ iPhones get controversial processor throttling feature after all
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/10/31/18047174/iphone-x-8-plus-performance-throttling-battery-management-ios-12-1-update>
"With iOS 12.1, Apple has brought its controversial
'performance management feature' (aka, throttling)
to the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and iPhone X"

o Apple Adds Performance Management To Throttle iPhone X Battery

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2018/10/31/apple-iphone-8-iphone-x-iphone-8-plus-battery-throttle-problems/#6978dec9e3d6>
"Once more, Apple ...sneakily adds code in the latest release of
iOS 12 to slow down the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and iPhone X smartphones"

And yet, Apple lied to Congress (Apple has no compunctions about big lies):
"At the time, Apple told Senator John Thune that its newest
phones didn't need the same performance management feature
because 'iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models include
hardware updates that allow a more advanced performance management
system that more precisely allows iOS to anticipate and avoid
an unexpected shutdown'"

o Apple's battery throttling comes to iPhone X, 8 and 8 Plus with iOS 12.1
<https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-battery-throttling-comes-to-iphone-x-8-and-8-plus-with-ios-12-1/>

"Initially, this battery throttling only applied to the iPhone 6S
or older. Later it came to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus.
As of iOS 12.1 it's coming to the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus & iPhone X."

That's really bad. Apple lied. To everyone. *But wait, there's more!*
o Apple adds iPhone 8 and iPhone X to the list of phones it might throttle

<https://www.macworld.com/article/3317689/apple-phone/iphone-8-iphone-x-throttling.html>
"Apple is pulling something of a trick here by quietly adding
the performance management features to the iPhone 8 and iPhone X
after the fact... we wouldn┤ be surprised to see the new
iPhone XS and XR phones added to the same list down the line

[arlen holder]

*Today, nospam (again) flatly denied what Apple publicly admitted!*
o It's proof nospam's belief system is completely devoid of fact.

Nospam is _still_ denying that the iPhone X has throttling software:
o Three Qualcomm Patents
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/6yjbZWpBad4/iBBWyvbZBQAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/6yjbZWpBad4/3DX-RVnbBQAJ>

This is proof that nospam's belief system is purely imaginary.

Arlen:
o You (nospam) claimed that the iPhone X wasn't throttled, and yet, it was.

Nospam:
o it isn't.

*Nospam has historically denied even what Apple publicly admits!*
o What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fyL1cQUVCp0/iEHFdEXJAQAJ>

What's amazing is that the apologists like nospam aren't even embarrassed
to almost always be dead wrong.

It takes fewer than 10 seconds to DESTROY their belief system with facts.
o And they're not even embarrassed.

That is NOT the trait of a normal adult.
o Normal adults care about their credibility

[nospam]

In article <q6pm1a$f67$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder

<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:

> o You (nospam) claimed that the iPhone X wasn't throttled, and yet, it was.

what you are attempting to claim is that apple throttles all iphones,
even with a perfectly healthy battery. that is *false*.

iphones are *not* throttled unless its battery has deteriorated to
where it can no longer source sufficient current for *peak* demands.
*only* the peaks are clipped, not the overall speed. the alternative is
unexpected shutdowns, which is not only a bigger annoyance to the user,
but it risks data loss.

meanwhile, android phones really *are* throttled, regardless of the
condition of the battery or peak demands.

<https://www.sammobile.com/2018/10/24/samsung-fined-slowing-down-phones-
updates/>
Samsung has been fined 5 million euro ($5.7 million) after the
investigation concluded that the updates for smartphones łcaused
serious dysfunctions and reduced performance significantly, thereby
accelerating the process of replacing them.˛
...
The Korean company is yet to comment on the matter. While it may not
have been limiting CPU speeds, many users have complained about their
older handsets feeling sluggish after major OS updates, including
flagship ones like the Galaxy S8 and the Galaxy Note 8. They also
didnšt appreciate that some basic functionality present in earlier
versions of the OS was removed.

<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-81
0s-heat-problems/>
This is a hot chip that throttles early and often, and it makes a
difference.
...
In short, chips throttle, but the 810 throttles more than most, and
it's severe enough that the 810 is actually slower than the 801 or
805 in some CPU-bound tasks over the long haul. The Exynos 7 Octa,
which has similar specs on paper, is much better in practice.

<https://www.mobiledroid.co.uk/blog/thermal-throttling-which-socs-are-wo
rst/>
- Qualcomm dropped the ball with the 810, the criticism was
justified and the figures show the Snapdragon 810 throttles
performance significantly and for CPU throttling it is noticeably
worse than the competition. For GPU it is only similarly bad.

- Apple has done an amazing job of ensuring its cores provide high
performance consistently, with very little degradation of CPU or GPU
performance, this is an area the other manufacturers need to work on

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:23:05 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> o You (nospam) claimed that the iPhone X wasn't throttled, and yet, it was.
>
> what you are attempting to claim is that apple throttles all iphones,
> even with a perfectly healthy battery. that is *false*.
>
> iphones are *not* throttled unless its battery has deteriorated to
> where it can no longer source sufficient current for *peak* demands.
> *only* the peaks are clipped, not the overall speed. the alternative is
> unexpected shutdowns, which is not only a bigger annoyance to the user,
> but it risks data loss.

Hi nospam,

Surprise surprise ... more factual evidence of the logical assessment of...
"Apple just can't stop throttling iPhones!"

Adults comprehend facts, where the fact is said clearly by Gizmodo:
o Apple can't STOP adding throttling software to _all_ new iPhones
o After "about a year"

o Gizmodo: Apple Just Can't Stop Throttling iPhones
<https://gizmodo.com/apple-just-cant-stop-throttling-iphones-1830124291>
"The tricky thing is that Apple never stopped throttling the
processors ...It just got caught doing it, and then issued an update to iOS
that gave people access to more information ... Apple also responded to
Senator Thune detailing these software updates and claiming that 'iPhone 8,

iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models include hardware updates that allow a
more advanced performance management system that more precisely allows iOS

to anticipate and avoid an unexpected shutdown.' Apple didn˘t explicitly
say that newer devices wouldn't get throttled."

"Perhaps as a result, the processor-throttling detail is sort of buried
in the release notes for iOS 12.1. Near the bottom of a long list and under
the header "Other improvements and fixes," the document reads:
Adds a performance management feature to prevent the device
from unexpectedly shutting down, including the option to
disable this feature if an unexpected shutdown occurs,
for iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus."

Since it has been "about a year", and since "Apple can't stop throttling",
it will be interesting is to see how long it takes for Apple to add
throttling software to the super expensive iPhone XS Max, XS, and XR.
o Does iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, & iPhone XR have CPU throttling software (after "about a year")?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MowwVxafiaQ>

For example, this article I just found suggests what Gizmodo said a year
ago, which is simply that Apple is drunk with throttling - it works so
perfectly for them (even now that it's no longer a secret - they _still_
find ways to hide this wondrously profitable "performance feature")...
o The iPhone XS and XR will get processor throttling feature with iOS 13.1
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/20/20875708/apple-processor-throttling-iphone-xs-xr-ios-13-1>

NOTE: This is the first I'm hearing of iPhone XS Max throttling software,
where, since we're adults (not you nospam), we don't instantly confirm or
deny facts until we have reliable corroborating evidence.

Yes, I know, for Apologists like nospam, facts & corroboration don't count.
o But adults do two things that apologists almost never seem to be able to

Adults comprehend facts
o Adults form reasonable assessments of those facts

Such that adults can better predict the future
o Based on Apple's long sordid history of (secretly) throttling CPUs

NOTE that Apple already apparently throttles PD charging in iOS 13.1
in these new super expensive iPhone 11s for example.
o iPhone 11 Pro Max Charging Test report by Charger Lab on iOS 13.0 versus iOS 13.1 (throttling surprise!)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GUqM0QV1vhM>

"after updating from iOS 13.0 to iOS 13.1, using the same wireless
charger to charge iPhone 11, the charging speed with iOS 13.1 dropped to
about 70% of the speed with iOS 13.0."

Surprise surprise ... more factual evidence of the logical assessment of...
"Apple just can't stop throttling iPhones!"

[Arlen Holder]

UPDATE:

Every iPhone CPU from the iPhone 6 to iPhone 7 were throttled, then iPhone
8 to iPhone X were throttled & now the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max & iPhone XR
get throttling software!

*Remember when Apple essentially lied to Congress?*

o Don't worry, Apple probably won't throttle your iPhone X or 8
<https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-likely-wont-throttle-iphone-x-or-8/>
"In Apple's rebuttal to congress, the company says its newest
iPhones have unspecified 'hardware updates' that prevent them
from needing to be slowed down like the iPhone 6 or 6S."

The record shows, on December 20, 2017, I was the first to report to the
m.p.m.i newsgroup the secret, drastic, and permanent CPU throttling which
Apple foisted on unwitting customers, blaming, of all things, battery
chemistry (which only a fool would believe as an excuse).
o Report says Apple 'Powerd' code secretly slows your iOS device down to trick you into buying a new device
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GdEtzzrc9F0/z57KTsmWAQAJ>

I was also the first to report to that same newsgroup that all the iPhones
up to the iPhone X were forced to have the previously secret CPU throttling
software, despite the apologists like nospam brazenly denying even that
which Apple admitted:

o Last year iPhones get controversial processor throttling feature after all
<https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/10/31/18047174/iphone-x-8-plus-performance-throttling-battery-management-ios-12-1-update>
"With iOS 12.1, Apple has brought its controversial
'performance management feature' (aka, throttling)
to the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and iPhone X"

o Every indication is that the new line of astronomically-priced Apple
iPhones are just as flawed as the iPhone 6 to 7 to 8 to X are
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1RiqBADD-vE/Hry3kQmMFAAJ>

*But wait... there's more!*

Just today, the BBC reported Apple must pay a fine & publish for a month
the admission that Apple admits they purposefully committed a crime:
o *Apple fined for slowing down old iPhones*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724>

We find out, through that BBC article, that the iPhone XS, XS Max and XR
now have this lovely CPU throttling "feature" as of the iOS 13.1 release!

Which iPhone CPUs are throttled?
o *iPhone 6*, *iPhone 6 Plus*, *iPhone 6S*, *iPhone 6S Plus*
o *iPhone SE*
o *iPhone 7* and *iPhone 7 Plus*
o *iPhone 8* and *iPhone 8 Plus* running iOS 12.1 or higher
o *iPhone X* running iOS 12.1 or higher
o *iPhone XS*, *iPhone XS Max* and *iPhone XR* running iOS 13.1 or higher

Bear in mind every iPhone benchmark must be halved to be realistic.
--
Bringing adult TRUTH to these Apple newsgroups, one fact at a time.