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Debbie Graham

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May 13, 2009, 6:43:02 PM5/13/09
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okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win 98, just the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still use the upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a full install is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I have vista on my
laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade and not a full
version install on that too?


Debbie


peter

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To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

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Debbie Graham

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Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale. Otherwise I'll just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

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In-Place Upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7
http://www.pagestart.com/upgradexptowindows7.html

The object of an "In-Place Upgrade" is to keep all your XP applications,
user accounts, data files and not be forced to start with a clean install of
Windows 7. Keep in mind a lot of XP applications are not Vista compatible
and it will take time for patches or application upgrades to become
available after the official release of Windows 7.

I would expect but can't sat for sure that there will be a "Windows 7
upgrade" version
as opposed to the full product.
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Bill in Co.

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You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs out.

Bob Knowlden

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May 13, 2009, 8:43:33 PM5/13/09
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Another poster already responded to this, but I think the response was
misleading. I don't know that Microsoft has officially announced the upgrade
paths, but I believe that they will be:

XP (including the upgrade version) will qualify for you to install Windows 7
using an upgrade license. However, you won't be able to install Win7 as an
actual upgrade over XP (keeping your installed programs, etc.). You'd have
to do a clean installation of it. None of your programs or settings would be
preserved. (The *data* on the drive would not be destroyed, though.) All
that you'll need to buy, though, is an upgrade version.

You will be able to use an upgrade license with your laptop. You could
install Win7 over Vista as an upgrade. (There may be version restrictions
that would require a clean installation, but the laptop should qualify for
an upgrade license.)

In my opinion, a clean installation of Windows 7 is safest. I tried the beta
(build 7000) of Win7. The first time I tried to install it was as an upgrade
over Vista X64. It was a bit of a mess; for example, most of the help files
for Win7 didn't install. A clean re-install was much better.

I don't know if the basic function of a Win7 upgrade license will be similar
to that of a Vista upgrade, but if it is, it's much less usable than the XP
upgrade. An XP upgrade license was essentially as functional as a full
license. (All that was needed over the full license was letting it find
"qualifying media".) A Vista installation using an upgrade license must be
started from a running qualifying OS; it can't be started directly from the
DVD. (It's slightly different in installing Vista X64 with an upgrade
license on a system with a qualifying 32 bit OS; the 32 bit OS can't launch
the 64 bit installation.) In retrospect, I wish that I'd paid the additional
$100US for a full version. It's hard to place a dollar value on annoyance,
but I've probably been through more than $100 worth with that damnable
upgrade license.

I wonder if Win7 will have the same feature as Vista, that is, the
possibility of performing an installation on a bare hard drive using an
upgrade license. (The procedure was: install Vista on the drive without
using a license key. That gives a 30 day demo version. That can be used to
launch the upgrade. In other words, you get a full installation using an
upgrade license, at the price of having to install Vista *twice*.)

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PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Malcolm McCaffery

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Windows 7 will not be upgradeable from Windows XP. Windows 7 can only
upgrade from Windows Vista. However possibly Windows XP users will be able
to purchase an 'upgrade' but they will have to do a full install. A tool is
included to backup and restore user data, but on Windows XP -> Windows 7 the
applications would need to be reinstalled.

regards,

Malcolm.

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Debbie Graham

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So I would still have to upgrade to vista first. I thought win 7 is just a
vista with the sp2

Debbie

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Debbie Graham

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I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

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Debbie Graham

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Sounds like I will have to reinstall all my programs. From what I'm reading
I would have to have a vista upgrade to install over xp then a win 7 cd.
That's a little more money I want to pay for 2 OS's. I may have to suck it
up and reinstall all my programs

Debbie

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PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Indeed. It may prove more economical to purchase a new Win7 machine. While
you'll be able to use Easy Transfer to migrate your personal data from XP to
Win7, you will have to reinstall any third-party applications (after
confirming they're compatible with Win7, of course).

While some may consider Win7 to be the equivalent of Vista SP3, it's really
not.

Bill in Co.

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I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's what I'm
going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you think you MUST
upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed out, maybe by that time
you'll need a new computer, anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the
demands on the computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Mike Torello

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"Bill in Co." <not_rea...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's what I'm
>going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you think you MUST
>upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed out, maybe by that time
>you'll need a new computer, anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the
>demands on the computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.
>
>Debbie Graham wrote:
>> I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even better than
>> my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so many
>> programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
>> gives me the shivers
>> Debbie

And then you and Bill can meet here and pine away for the good ol'
days like he still does occasionally (I think he has a Win98 fetish)

Unknown

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Have a friend with a Vista CD, all you need to do is borrow it
(you don't the key code)

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Windows 7 is not VISTA, I never like Vista,
still don't after spending 4 hours on a friends
PC trying to install one software application.

Went home, tried the same software on Win 7
and Vista, guess which OS had not problems with
the install.

Trust me after a short learning period you will like Windows 7.
Yes 7 looks like Vista but its not.

Windows 7 RC for XP users - How to find your way around (Part 2)
http://www.pagestart.com/win7forxpuserspart2.html

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Debbie Graham

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Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu, power supply,
RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a year or 2 is a new
motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard drives, I'm looking for a
faster hard drive so which one would be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA
3.0 gbls?

Debbie

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Debbie Graham

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Hey I was happy with Win 98. I had all the bugs out, running perfect.
That's why I was so reluctant to move to XP....lol

Debbie

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15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

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Bill in Co.

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LOL. My other computer still uses Win98SE and DOS, the last of the good
operating systems where YOU were in (nearly) complete control of the system.
:-) In going to XP, you had to relinquish a bit of that, but I'm
(somewhat reluctantly) content with that, now. :-)

Debbie Graham

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Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still don't open
any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or a faster hard
drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine it being too much
more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

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What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

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Jim

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On Thu, 14 May 2009 15:12:05 -0400, "JS" <@> wrote:

>Windows 7 is not VISTA, I never like Vista,
>still don't after spending 4 hours on a friends
>PC trying to install one software application.
>
>Went home, tried the same software on Win 7
>and Vista, guess which OS had not problems with
>the install.
>
>Trust me after a short learning period you will like Windows 7.
>Yes 7 looks like Vista but its not.
>
>Windows 7 RC for XP users - How to find your way around (Part 2)
>http://www.pagestart.com/win7forxpuserspart2.html

With respect : what software took 4 hours to install . I`m using Vista
, with Comodo and the longest software install took 10 miutes .

Unknown

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We never did get it to install so rather than
badmouth the software application I'm going
to take another shot at it in about 10 days
(he has an odd work shift). Suffice to say
Vista's UAC keep getting in the way of the
installing and updating of the software.

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Jim

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On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:36:28 -0400, "JS" <@> wrote:

>We never did get it to install so rather than
>badmouth the software application I'm going
>to take another shot at it in about 10 days
>(he has an odd work shift). Suffice to say
>Vista's UAC keep getting in the way of the
>installing and updating of the software.

Turn UAC off temp , install , turn it on ?

Debbie Graham

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There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5K-V
Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie

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First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time

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Debbie Graham

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Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and the
bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't understand.
The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4 normals, 1 good and
the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


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59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

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Debbie Graham

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this is the RAM I have

a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp

Debbie

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Debbie Graham

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Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed controlled my
operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine is set to enabled,
Auto


Debbie


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Your memory is more than meets the speed requirements
based on the processor's FSB speed. But for some reason
what CPUID said doesn't match what CORSAIR has rated
your memory at which is PC2 8500. SPD basically queries
your memory stick in order to get the info you posted at fileden.com

You may want to check slot #2 to see if it agrees with the slot #1 values.

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Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

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Debbie Graham

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well actually it's slot 3, I was told by Cosair that if you only have 2
sticks to put them in slot 1 and 3 and yes it's the same value on both.

Debbie

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You're right, I meant slot 3 as your running Dual Channel.

Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5 (DDR2-1066/PC2-8500) 2 GB Memory Kit Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/363

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Debbie Graham

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okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings bus
speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for the RAM.
I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but that article
said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to 800MHZand timings as
4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and FSB:DRAM 5:6, then I went
back and set it to the 1066 and back up to 5-5-5-15 and CPUID read DRAM Freq
534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is better? I'm assuming leaving it to
were it was at 1066

Debbie

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At 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8 what is your
processor speed, as I suspect you are overclocking.

What is your processor model: Intel E????

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Debbie Graham

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No I'm not overclocking, I was told not to by the tech who put in the
processor.

this is the processor
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/cpu.bmp

Debbie

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E8500 uses a 1333MHz (333MHz quad pumped) FSB with a 9.5x multiplier

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Processor Review
The review includes a screen shot of CPUz/CPU-ID
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/668/1/

I have an E6700 and a Q6600 so I can't do a snapshot
for you.

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Debbie Graham

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how come my core speed and multiplier are lower?

Debbie

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The multiplier (ratio) I think you mentioned is now at 5:8
What you need to do is slowly change the multiplier to
5:6 and then 5:5 if your motherboard allows for that ratio.

Going to 6:5 should increase the CPU speed even more.
Once you have a multiplier that gives the rated speed for your
processor (3.16GHz) any more changes will put you into
overclocking and it appears you have a CPU and Memory
that will overclock well, but one thing at a time. Remember to
make small FSB multiplier changes and use CPU-ID to see
what the results are after each change.

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Paul

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Debbie Graham wrote:
> how come my core speed and multiplier are lower?
>
> Debbie
>

The multiplier is programmable. The 6 value is probably
the lowest of the range your processor supports.

If you've disabled EIST, then the processor should run at
the high multiplier. 9.5*333 = 3.166GHz. So you could have
an E8500.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPK

Sometimes, the BIOS offers an option to control the multiplier,
and you could check there, to see if there is more to the interface
than just enable/disable for EIST.

"CPU Ratio Control" [Manual] allows manually defining the multiplier.

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5K-V/e3269_p5k-v_manual.zip

You could check the "Power" scheme in the control panels,
and see if it is "Always On" or something that enables
a high power operating mode.

You could also check the support page for the motherboard,
and see what minimum version of BIOS supports the processor.

You could try the Intel Processor Identification Utility,
but surprisingly, it doesn't tell you everything you might
want to know about your purchase. On mine, it told me
EIST was not available, but that was a BIOS issue. A hacked
BIOS from Germany, fixed that for me. The Asus BIOS is
higher quality than that.

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/sb/CS-014921.htm

The Asus P5K-V needs BIOS 1002 or later, for the latest version of E8500.
The previous E8500 can use an older BIOS.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=p5k-v

Download page.

http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=p5k-v

Paul

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Paul I do have P5K-V BIOS 1002. I did find the CPU ratio control, now from
what CPUID is saying that my multiplier is x6.0. Do I want to change that
to a higher one? And how high? I have the EIST is disabled and I set my
power scheme to always on.

Debbie

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JS are you talking about the multiplier on my RAM, that's the one with the
5:8. Why and how would I lower it? First you said to lower but then you
mention the 6:5.............lol got me confused

Debbie

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Debbie Graham wrote:
> Paul I do have P5K-V BIOS 1002. I did find the CPU ratio control, now from
> what CPUID is saying that my multiplier is x6.0. Do I want to change that
> to a higher one? And how high? I have the EIST is disabled and I set my
> power scheme to always on.
>
> Debbie
>

You can look up the processor, on processorfinder.intel.com . This
is an example of an E8500.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPK

The nominal value is 9.5. I don't know if the BIOS supports
fractional values or not, but you can have a look and see
if it will accept that value.

The multiplier, times the FSB clock, gives the core speed.
If your processor is 3.166GHz, then 333 * 9.5 will get you
there. Set the multiplier to 9.5 in the BIOS, and then see
if the value is correct in Windows.

I had to work a lot harder than you, to get control of mine :-)
I had to wait until a guy in Germany figure out how to fix my
BIOS, so it would work properly. Thank goodness for hackers.

HTH,
Paul

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Page Xii and Section 4.4.3 your user's guide

Also:
http://www.techterms.com/definition/fsb

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Oh that, it's set on auto and it won't let me change it. I must have to
change something else to let me open it to manual

Debbie

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Debbie Graham wrote:
> Oh that, it's set on auto and it won't let me change it. I must have to
> change something else to let me open it to manual
>
> Debbie
>

Try the "AI Overclocking" setting, and try [Manual].

That may unlock things for you, and allow adjusting the FSB.

If your default value is "333" for the FSB clock, try
changing it in tiny steps first. For example, 338 might
be a big enough change, so that you can detect the change
with a utility while in Windows later.

You multiply the FSB clock by 4, to get the FSB data rate.
333MHz clock gives FSB1333 data transfer rate. Since the
processor front side bus is 8 bytes wide, FSB1333 corresponds
to the ability to transfer 10664 MB/sec. For each
clock cycle, there are four data transfers on the bus,
and a data transfer is 8 bytes wide. It all adds up
quickly.

Paul

Debbie Graham

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None of that work to unlock it, it just wants to stay at auto. I did change
the AI overclocking to the N.O.S setting at 3% overclock, check CPUID and it
says 9.5 and under my computer and properties processor from 3.16 to 3.18.
Is that the only way I'm going to get it at 9.5 is to overclock? DRAM still
says 5:8 too.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/oc.jpg

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/intel.jpg

Debbie


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Your processor is now running at its rated speed.
You should see a noticeable improvement in performance
Yes/No?

I will post back shortly with two utilities that will
check the stability of your system.

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First try running Memtest86+,
this runs from a boot floppy or CD you need to create.
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is good
when running at the speed you now are. I don't
expect any problems as the memory you purchased
should easily run at your PC current speed.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2 to 4 hours,
if no errors by then your ram passes what I call a
"Basic Test".
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Next is the torture test, it test both your CPU
and memory, again let it run for about 3 hours
and if it is still running (not in a Stopped state)
and has not reported any errors your good to go!
I would start "SpeedFan" before you run this test and
monitor your CPU temperature, you will know which of
the multiple temperatures readings displayed as soon
as you start the test as the CPU will start going up
in temperature.

Prime95 "Stress Test"
"FREE MERSENNE PRIME SEARCH SOFTWARE"
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/

Download and unzip. It's a standalone .exe file
when you first start this program you will see
a "Welcome to GIMPS" window. bottom right click
on the "Just Stress Testing" button. In the
"Run a Torture Test" window select the "Blend"
option. Leave the "Number of threads to run"
at 2.

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What manual should do, is make certain settings appear in the BIOS.
When the "AI Overclocking" is set to [Auto], there may be few settings
showing in that BIOS screen. When [Manual] is used, you should see
"FSB Frequency". You should be able to place the cursor on that
item, then use the (+) or (-) keys to increase or decrease the value.
Use only a small adjustment at first, to prove you have control over
it.

It sounds though, like you've at least got a result now, that
bears some resemblance to nominal operation. The nominal values
should have been 9.5 * 333 = 3.166GHz. If the people at Asus could
do arithmetic, 3% on 333 would give 343MHz. That would also have
an impact on your RAM. 343 * 8/5 = 548.8MHz, times 2 = DDR2-1098.
I would have expected your RAM to be 3% over its rated DDR2-1066
as a result.

OK, at the risk of repeating what was posted previously.

"AI Overclocking" [Manual]
"CPU Ratio Control" [Manual]
"Ratio CMOS Setting" [9.5] <----- Use the (+) and (-) keys to set this
Intel SpeedStep Tech [Disabled] <----- So manual setting controls it

My idea there, is I don't want the FSB changed from 333MHz. I
don't want to use NOS. I just want to force the multiplier to
9.5 long enough, to verify you have some degree of control over
the computer you've built. By leaving the FSB at 333, the RAM
will also remain nominal at DDR2-1066.

If you want to continue to use the NOS setting, that is fine too.

After messing around, you'd use memtest86+ and Prime95, to verify
the RAM is really stable at 2.1V and DDR2-1098 caused by NOS 3%.
The reason for doing a memtest86+ test using a floppy or
CDROM, is to verify the system has some measure of stability.
If it doesn't, the Windows install could be corrupted on the
next boot attempt at DDR2-1098. If memtest86+ is error free
for a few passes, you can boot into Windows. The multithreaded
version of Prime95 is here, and I accept 4 hours of error
free stress testing as my stability criterion. Sometimes, I
even play a 3D game, while Prime95 is running, for an extra
thrashing. To do that, I adjust the amount of memory to test,
to leave some room for other programs to run.

http://www.memtest.org/

http://majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html

Have fun,
Paul

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