Originally posted: July 9, 2003
Updated: May 13, 2004
Version: 1.5
I have had to reinstall this 2 times this week and after the last install I
ran a scan and again it is asking for this critical update! Each update
states that the q823559 was successful...What's the problem here?
"Jim" <inv...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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If you (1) download the installer for KB823559 from the following link,
saving it to your desktop, (2) double-click on the saved file to install it
manually, and then (3) reboot, does Windows Update still offer it?
Download details: Security Update for Microsoft Windows 98 and Windows 98
Second Edition (KB823559):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=71ec81dd-9e86-4956-94f5-b6e020348569
Support for Win98 ended in July 2006. While MS offers free support for
Windows Update issues, this support no longer applies to Win98.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Jim wrote:
> Also, I would like to add that it is listed in Control Panel>Add/Remove as
> Q823559 installed.
>
If you go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com, select CUSTOM and scan, is
KB823559 (or Q823559) offered (again)? Is it listed in the Update History
section and if so, does this listing indicate a Successful install? Does
Windows Update offer you any other security updates?
Have you tried to install KB823559 manually per my previous reply?
Jim wrote:
> It was an error. I was supposed to repair IE and instead I went into
> Control
> Panel>Add\Remove and D-clicked IE. I then refreshed my memory of the
> Advanced option on reinstate previous version and clicked ok instead of
> cancel to exit. The application uninstalled and reinstalled the previous
> version 5. At this point I went to MS Support and DL the MSIEv.6 and
> reinstalled it. Next I went to WindowsUpdate to check for critical updates
> and installed all of which q823559 was one. I have left Windows Critical
> Update on and the next day a prompt for critical update. Upon checking I
> found the offer of q823559 again. After running the install again I check
> with initial scan and again the prompt shows up...This is in Control Panel
> as a windows security update. Is it possible that the scanner is wrong?
>
The scan was the Welcome page scan. I do not see the "custom" scan. I do see
[Other Options] \View| Personalize| Support. Is this what you mean by
"custom", to Personalize Windows Update?
It is listed in the View Installation History several times, each time it
states the install was successful.
Initially the Update site did offer other updates (6) in all, of which
q823559 was one.
I have not tried the manual update since q823559 is already there.
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2. Download this installer, saving it to your desktop for convenience (do
NOT Run it):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=71ec81dd-9e86-4956-94f5-b6e020348569
3. Physically disconnect the machine from the internet.
4. Disable your anti-virus application.
5. Double-click on the saved file to install Q823559.
6. Reboot twice.
7. Reconnect the machine to the internet and see if Windows Update offers
Q823559 again.
The above notwithstanding:
I'd strongly recommend uninstalling notoriously buggy and
no-longer-supported "Microsoft Windows Critical Update Notification" via
Add/Remove Programs. Support for Win98 ended over 2 years ago and no Win98
updates have been released since then and none will ever be released.
Should you have occasion to reinstall Win98 (after having first uninstalled
IE6) and need to get the machine fully patched again, simply
download/install IE6 SP1 manually and then go to Windows Update website.
Given that mysterious IE6 business to which you referred in an earlier reply
to this thread, I'd also strongly recommend Overinstalling IE6 SP1:
First, close *everything* via CTRL+ALT+DEL except Windows Explorer (includes
your AV program, Scheduled Tasks, Screensaver, and going offline). Start |
Run | (type in) IE6Setup.exe | [OK]. Select Minimal - Custom; Select all
the parts you use (e.g., Outlook Express) but none that you didn't
originally download, and overinstall. Should take about 2 minutes. Reboot
the computer.
Now, with AV and all other running processes still closed, check in at
Windows Update for additional updates and patches you may need.
--
~PA Bear
<snip>
from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-01 12:39:50 16:39:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-01 12:39:51 16:39:51 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-01 12:39:51 16:39:51 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-01 12:40:01 16:40:01 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished
This is the same error that is triggering the Windows Critical Update to
prompt...?
0x801901F4 BG_E_HTTP_ERROR_500
The server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from
fulfilling the request.
Yes, both errors point to the same problem.
Have you tried overinstalling IE6 SP1 as I suggested in an earlier reply to
this thread?
What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
(if any)?
How is the machine connecting to the internet (i.e., dial-up; DSL; cable;
satellite)? Is a router involved? Is an internet (or web) accelerator
installed (typically included with low-priced dial-up ISPs)?
Windows Update.log : c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
No, I did not do an overinstall of IEv.6 SP1 as of this time. Since I did a
cleanboot install of IEv.6 over v.5 I do not see this a problem. Could this
be a result of a previous update blocking some logging of q823559? This
file: %windir%\kb823559.log is not found. ref.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339
AV-Avast; AS-SpySweeper; FW-ZA
DSL
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Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download AND
install.
IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in Win98,
Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If
you're connecting to the DSL modem via a router, the router alone should
provide adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure to
disagree with me but so be it.]
Moving on...
[You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
Notepad for offline reference.]
1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported in Win98.
Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't get if "free" from
your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections)
then (b) uninstall it.
2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still installed)
*and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and* Avast *and*
physically disconnect the machine from the internet. Don't reconnect until
Step #4 below!
3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try again.
Follow all prompts.
NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled and (if
you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been
re-enabled!!
--
~PA Bear
Jim wrote:
> Does that error mean that the update did not successfully DL? OR does it
> mean that this machines log of a successful DL is in error\corrupted? The
> View Installation History states a successful DL and the Add\Remove
> software
> in Control Panel shows a successful DL to this machine. AND
>
> Windows Update.log : c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library download
> error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
>
> No, I did not do an overinstall of IEv.6 SP1 as of this time. Since I did
> a
> cleanboot install of IEv.6 over v.5 I do not see this a problem. Could
> this
> be a result of a previous update blocking some logging of q823559? This
> file: %windir%\kb823559.log is not found. ref.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339
> AV-Avast; AS-SpySweeper; FW-ZA
> DSL
>
2008-10-03 14:55:09 18:55:09 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 14:55:11 18:55:11 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 14:55:12 18:55:12 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:55:12 18:55:12 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:59:18 18:59:18 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:19 18:59:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:23 18:59:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:28 18:59:28 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:31 18:59:31 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:59:31 18:59:31 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:00:23 19:00:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:00:24 19:00:24 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 15:00:24 19:00:24 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:30 19:00:30 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished
OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for McAfee. I
go back and check scan for the updates and here is the log at the next later
times with the errors back:
2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:19 19:50:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:19 19:50:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:23 19:50:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:28 19:50:28 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:30 19:50:30 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:30 19:50:30 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:54 19:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:55 19:50:55 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 15:50:55 19:50:55 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:02 19:51:02 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
2008-10-03 15:51:02 19:51:02 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished
2008-10-03 15:51:46 19:51:46 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:47 19:51:47 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:50 19:51:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:55 19:51:55 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:56 19:51:56 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:51:57 19:51:57 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:52:07 19:52:07 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2008-10-03 15:52:07 19:52:07 Success IUCTL Shutting down
The question still remains did this update install? Is there a way to check
this update?
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2008-10-03 17:29:19 21:29:19 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 17:29:21 21:29:21 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:30:23 21:30:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:24 21:30:24 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:27 21:30:27 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:32 21:30:32 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:34 21:30:34 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:30:35 21:30:35 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:51 21:30:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_Only\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-
ENU.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:48 21:31:48 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished
I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
update.
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2008-10-03 17:50:42 21:50:42 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 17:50:44 21:50:44 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:50:50 21:50:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:50:51 21:50:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:50:54 21:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:51:00 21:51:00 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:51:04 21:51:04 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:51:05 21:51:05 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
The "Personalized"\Custom scan does not trigger this critical update q823559
as needed. The log:
2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:38 22:01:38 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:43 22:01:43 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:44 22:01:44 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:45 22:01:45 Success IUENGINE Querying software
Neither of the 2 logs below have anything whatsoever to say about
Q823559/KB823559.
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
| 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
| c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE 2008-10-03 17:31:35
| 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.exe
| 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
| c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.exe 2008-10-03
| 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
| details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success
...snip...
| I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
| update.
Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
here are a few things to check...
(1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
once.
(2) What are your versions of these files...?...
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
...Quote.. Win98 files...
Date Time Version Size File name
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27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
...End quote.....
START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
(No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
What about this Registry key...?...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
@="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
"Locale"="EN"
"Version"="4.10.0.2222"
To see it...
(a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
(b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
& ending with....................... "Installed Components".
(c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
(d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
"START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates,
W98.SE"...?...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Upda
tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
@="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32.cnv"="2003.1100.5426
.0"
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv97.dll"="2003.1100.54
26.0"
Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in Add/Remove...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\
Q823559]
@=""
"DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
PCR, please let's get Jim settled before asking him to do anything else.
Once I'm convinced that everything's OK, feel free to jump in. Thanks,
buddy.
PS: Please don't post inline replies: Poor Jim's confused enough and his
replies to your inline posts will make it worse for him.
--
~Robear
PCR wrote:
<snip>
> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
> will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
> here are a few things to check...
>
> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
> Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
> Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
> once.
<snip>
Everything looks just fine now but I have a few question & comments.
============================
PLEASE CONFIRM that you completed Step #1, #2, #3a and #3b in my previous
reply (02 October) before you did Step #4.
> OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for McAfee.
What version of ZoneAlarm is installed? Does the Win98 machine connect via
a router or directly to the DSL modem?
Yesterday you'd told us that you were running Avast Anti-Virus, now you cite
McAfee VirusScan. What's up with that? Do you have both Avast and
VirusScan installed?
VirusScan 9 is a few years old (e.g., 3 or 4, I believe): Are you sure it's
VirusScan 9? If so, is your subscription current?
--
~PA Bear
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Well, I kind of recall it worked for someone to uninstall it first.
Those registry keys I mentioned could be useful too. But, fine-- you go
first!
| --
| ~Robear
|
| PCR wrote:
| <snip>
|> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it &
|> you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But,
|> if so, here are a few things to check...
|>
|> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
|> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will
|> come in well-- & just once.
| <snip>
--
ZA-6.0.667.000 version; connects via a single device router [NAPT] and
modem.
I just have McAfee shield on because it will come up quickly, whereas Avast
required another reboot.
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23uqTzBb...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You cannot and should not have two (2) anti-virus installed and loading at
boot.
=> If your VirusScan subscription is not current:
1. Uninstall McAfee VirusScan (or whatever the McAfee application is) via
Add/Remove Programs;
2. Download & run this removal tool:
http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=1033; and...
3. Reboot.
=> If your VirusScan subscription is current:
1. Uninstall Avast; and...
2. Reboot.
With only one (1) anti-virus application installed now, if you encounter ANY
further Windows Update problems whatsoever, disable ZoneAlarm.
However, since (1) your Win98 machine is now fully patched and since (2) no
updates have been released for Win98 since June 2006 and since (3) no more
Win98 updates will ever be released as support for Win98 ended on 10 July
2006, you really don't have to worry about it anymore.
I now consider this case closed. If PCR or anyone else wants to "play" now,
be my guest...
=> But please do NOT crosspost any further replies to Windows Update
newsgroup. Thanks.
--
~PA Bear
<paste>
> I did not uninstall q823559.
>
>
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> I'll assume that's it for now, Jim.
>
> Everything looks just fine now but I have a few question & comments.
>
> ============================
>
> PLEASE CONFIRM that you completed Step #1, #2, #3a and #3b in my previous
> reply (02 October) before you did Step #4.
>
>> OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for
>> McAfee.
>
> What version of ZoneAlarm is installed? Does the Win98 machine connect
> via
> a router or directly to the DSL modem?
>
> Yesterday you'd told us that you were running Avast Anti-Virus, now you
> cite
> McAfee VirusScan. What's up with that? Do you have both Avast and
> VirusScan installed?
>
> VirusScan 9 is a few years old (e.g., 3 or 4, I believe): Are you sure
> it's
> VirusScan 9? If so, is your subscription current?
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W
98.SE\UPDQ823559
This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical Update
program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does not see this in
Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates. Understand?
"PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%239NfMta...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted, which
must include the one that displays the file versions. What about those
file versions as they appear in the files themselves in Explorer
properties...?...
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update, &
all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And are
the files both located in...?...
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If so,
what versions?
| I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
| The regedit key:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updat
es\W
| 98.SE\UPDQ823559
|
| This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
| Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does not
| see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
| Understand?
That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see for
those files in...?...
"START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
"IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once said
there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these matters!
"PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ughlh8wJ...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
PCR wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is not
>> installed.
>
> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted, which
> must include the one that displays the file versions. What about those
> file versions as they appear in the files themselves in Explorer
> properties...?...
<snip>
Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that sounds
like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to think,
but...
(1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
Normally, they'd be in...
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
(2) Are they located anywhere else too;
if so, what versions are they?
(3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
; 823559UN.INF
; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98 Q823559
Update:
[version]
AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
signature=$CHICAGO$
[DefaultInstall]
CustomDestination = app_chk
DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delOptions
delreg=WinUPD.delreg
RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
[DestinationDirs]
WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
;check for install location
[app_chk]
49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
[conv_loc_chk]
HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
"","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
Press OK to exit.",""
[WinUPD.delFiles]
html32.cnv
msconv97.dll
[WinUPD.renFiles]
html32.cnv,html32.qfe
msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
[WinUPD.delINF]
823559UN.INF
[WinUpd.delOptions]
html32.cnv
msconv97.dll
[WinUPD.deldir]
%17%\QFE\%SPKey%
[WinUPD.delreg]
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\%UpdID%"
[Strings]
;Non-localizable
LANG = "EN"
LocaleID = "UPD"
Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
version = "4.10.0.2222"
UpdID = "Q823559"
UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates"
SPKey= "W98.SE"
conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
;Localizable strings
UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
Why? There's got to be a chance I actually will find the solution! And
aren't you due for another hibernation? :-).
| PCR wrote:
|> Jim wrote:
|>> That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is
|>> not installed.
|>
|> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
|> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
|> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves in
|> Explorer properties...?...
| <snip>
--
Jim's machine is now fully patched. He has no more updates to install.
There's no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
I understood your point & might have eventually agreed. HOWEVER, it
turned out his file versions were wrong in QFECheck for 823559, despite
his Windows Update.log was reporting that update to be a success. Now,
all seems to be well, though, that he uninstalled the update FIRST in
Add/Remove before taking it one final time. He said...!...
"Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF check
and windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think what was
wrong is that this was in the Add\Remove during the reinstall of ie6 and
just stayed that way on the continuious attempt to reinstall the
update."
<hugo...@wheels.com> wrote in message
news:b9ste4lv9hf8r9sd4...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:01:03 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
> <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in
Win98,
> >Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If
>
> Install it if you want your computer to nag you to death. I installed
> that miserable piece of shit Zone Alarm some years ago. If I had to
> live with that shitware for any length of time, I would give up
> computers and take up cleaning hog manure (and enjoy it more).
>
> Worse yet, getting rid of Zone Alarm is a nightmare. Fortunately I
> had a recent backup and I just restored the backup of Win98.
>
> You have been warned !
> Proceed as you wish.
Surely, any firewall will nag you to death until you've taught it all of
the applications you use, and not thereafter?
[]
(Using an old Kerio here - plus whatever hardware my router provides.)
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