Lifeboat in yard

[hamish]

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the
yard for a month
http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to
covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length
and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up
* paint it so it wasn�t bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to
do this)
* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.
* fit some basic solar panels, battery�s etc.
* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all
survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe
buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out
over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the
fitting out on water if hackspace doesn�t wont it - but hard to paint it
so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

[Sam Kelly]

Sounds like an awesome project, modulo the space it would take up in the yard - what does that convert to in terms of number of parking spaces we'd lose?

Happy to help out with things if we do decide we can fit it in.

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM, hamish <ham...@visionon.tv> wrote:

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the yard for a month http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up

* paint it so it wasn’t bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to do this)

* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.

* fit some basic solar panels, battery’s etc.

* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn’t wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

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[Clare Greenhalgh]

I think this is a little too large for the car park - it is for cars and smaller projects like the caravan and the gumball rally car occupy a space each, and this would, I think, take up rather a number!.

It sounds interesting, but having the space is excellent for other smaller moving projects too, and we do rather like it...

On 18 May 2013 20:50, hamish <ham...@visionon.tv> wrote:

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the yard for a month http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up

* paint it so it wasn’t bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to do this)

* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.

* fit some basic solar panels, battery’s etc.

* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn’t wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

[Martin (Crypt)]

I think its a great project.  would be fine to have it there for a while as long as we can plan for a space for it to go that will leave space for other projects and parking and as long as we can be sure it would be removed in good time

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[Charlie Grosvenor]

How much do they cost?

Charlie

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Subject: [london-hack-space] Lifeboat in yard

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the yard for a month http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up

* paint it so it wasn't bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to do this)

* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.

* fit some basic solar panels, battery's etc.

* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe
buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn't wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

[tom]

Yes!

Only thing I'd worry about is where you're going to ditch the gutted innards, there's no skip anymore

[Billy]

Have a chat with Jose.

He's done rebuilds on his boat and others. He'll be able to tell you
some of the pitfalls.

[Nigel Worsley]

I think this would be a great project to have at the space, but we
already have 5 others using the car park so it would probably have to
wait until a few of those are finished.

If you want crew to help get it down to London then I am interested,
but probably couldn't get enough time off work for the whole trip.

> paint it so it wasn’t bright orange

If the condition is anything like the ones on a support ship that I
occasionally work on then it will need a LOT of prep work before there
is any chance of paint sticking to it for longer than the next rain
storm.

> steam punk it up a bit.

Or alternatively give it a paint job that makes it look like the head
of a giant dinosaur style sea monster, the shape is about right!

Finally, don't underestimate the cost of getting it out of the water
and transported to the space. It may well turn out cheaper to pay the
storage cost at the boatyard than have it moved out and back.

Nigle

[cromiumlake]

Nice project, I rebuilding a lifeboat myself this days. Definitely not easy working on it on winter. 

I will glad of giving you a hand or pointing you out if I can, or at least you can see from my experience what not to do hahahha

About the car park, I don't think that we will loose much space on the car park, roughly it should be about 10x2 meters. I guess that have people working on a caravan, a boat, rally car etc brings variety and life to the space....and  is not much in use anyway

Good luck hamish

[tgreer]

Hi

I have no objections to this other than we already have in the yard:

1 x Caravan

1x Car

The list has also given permission for us to store a trailer mast in the car park, which will take up a bay or two...

If this can be slotted in then great, but I think the list needs to be aware of the current state of play of the yard...

[Charles Yarnold]

On 19 May 2013 00:47, tgreer <ukt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I have no objections to this other than we already have in the yard:

1 x Caravan

1x Car

Also:

2 x soapbox racers

1 x large spaceship glowy led thing 

[hamish campbell]

It costs 5.5K and then around £500 to deliver - will just about clean out my bank account (:

hamish

[cromiumlake]

Congrats....u are getting a nice toy :)

[Philip McGaw]

Putting in the river or canal will require insurance, boat safety certificate. And a licence from either the EA or CaRT. 

Please please do not assume that you can get a mooring for free any where you like. And observe the conditions of the licence. 

Kind Regards

Philip McGaw

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On 18 May 2013, at 20:50, hamish <ham...@visionon.tv> wrote:

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn’t wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

[cromiumlake]

Insurance you get them for under a £100

Boat Safety certificate I know who issues them and is under £100

And a licence from either the EA or CaRT??? what is this, I dont have one

Also you need one from canal and river trust

[Philip McGaw]

CaRT == Canal and River Trust. 

Kind Regards

Philip McGaw

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[Tim Storey]

Jose,

I need a new safety cert. could you pass me the contact details of the safety cert person you know.

Ta

\t

Sent by shouting very, very loud

On 19 May 2013, at 09:57, cromiumlake <cromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[David Murphy]

from your description I'm guessing this will take 3 or 4 parking spaces so really big.

It sounds like a really cool project though and I'd love to see it at the hackspace so I suggest you make sure you have as many of the supplies needed for the change there and ready to go before you get it at all and make sure you'll be free for as much of the month as possible.
 

given the hugeness of it I'd also suggest the time limit for when it will be gone be a hard limit.

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[Henry Sands]

it sounds like an ultra cool project, it also sounds like something that will take a long time and generate a lot of waste, personally I'm against it unless a detailed plan is laid out to manage the junk it generates as well as the time/space it will take.

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:50:03 PM UTC+1, hamish campbell wrote:

[hamish campbell]

Am thinking of just doing basic work in hackspace yard - the removing of seats and prep for painting - so will be time limited. Basicly because of availability of tools and knowledgeable people - then moving the project afloat to finish it as would be nice to live in the project over the summer.

On Saturday, 18 May 2013 21:08:14 UTC+1, Martin (Crypt) wrote:

I think its a great project.  would be fine to have it there for a while as long as we can plan for a space for it to go that will leave space for other projects and parking and as long as we can be sure it would be removed in good time

On May 18, 2013 9:02 PM, "Clare Greenhalgh" <claregr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this is a little too large for the car park - it is for cars and smaller projects like the caravan and the gumball rally car occupy a space each, and this would, I think, take up rather a number!.

It sounds interesting, but having the space is excellent for other smaller moving projects too, and we do rather like it...

On 18 May 2013 20:50, hamish <ham...@visionon.tv> wrote:

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the yard for a month http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up
* paint it so it wasn’t bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to do this)
* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.
* fit some basic solar panels, battery’s etc.
* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn’t wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

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[hamish campbell]

Thats a good point, what are the rubbish disposal situation for the building? ideas for this - people might want to reuse some of the stuff?

[hamish campbell]

lets look at the space in the yard, I am a bit worried the truck might not get through the gate (:

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[hamish campbell]

What lifeboat are you working on?

[Henry Sands]

rubbish disposal for large bulky items basically involves hiring a skip at the moment, costs about 200-250 a pop.

you might want to look into mooring permissions/fees before you bring it to the space, just so we know its got somewhere to go afterwards.

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:50:03 PM UTC+1, hamish campbell wrote:

[Morris]

I'm sure it will work out fine.

[Morris]

Such a cool project and waste wouldn't be an issue as described. Especially nice to hear you will add solar to it, continuing your off grid experimentation Hamish.

[tgreer]

You're not taking into consideration the space it'll take up in the carpark... Nor the issues with removing it from the carpark when it becomes time.

[Sam Kelly]

The seats inside are your basic one-piece moulding, I'm assuming? Maybe we could make comfy covers for (some of) them and use them in the space.

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[Henry Sands]

What's your basis on saying waste wouldn't be an issue? The only bins we have currently are those for domestic waste, any large, bulky items needs to be disposed of individually, I imagine if you're ripping out all the seating and internals that's going to be about half a skipfull.

Not that I'm saying don't go for it, I'm just saying plan ahead carefully.

[pad...@padski.co.uk]

Could you explain what the upside of this is for the Hackspace?
I'm struggling to get past thinking 'free drydock required for houseboat'. Sorry for being an old cynic. Being bright orange is pretty awesome but it is huge and looks like it would take up at least 4 car spaces, not to mention probably requiring a crane to move, and a proper cradle. I would be very concerned about anything in the carpark which is so big, and so difficult to remove or dismantle should it be necessary.

Paddy

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It costs 5.5K and then around £500 to deliver - will just about clean out my bank account (:

hamish

On Saturday, 18 May 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Charlie Grosvenor wrote:

How much do they cost?

Charlie

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Subject: [london-hack-space] Lifeboat in yard

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the yard for a month http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up

* paint it so it wasn't bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to do this)

* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.

* fit some basic solar panels, battery's etc.

* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe
buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the fitting out on water if hackspace doesn't wont it - but hard to paint it so would stay bright orange!

Hamish (long time Hackspace member - though away a lot)

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[hamish campbell]

Research so far on liveaboard in the UK

Costs involved:

BSS costs (4 years) £150

insurance (1 year) £120

Gold licence, all rivers and canals (1y) £643 (less for only rivers or canals)

Red diesel Propulsion is about 0.75ppl (need to update this)

Licence initially would be continues cruising - Optional cost Mooring £1000-5000 (1y)

Here is the law on continues cruising – you can stay for two weeks in many spots.

http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/633.pdf

Here is the width of canals - Red and blue are good for the lifeboat size wise - Gray likely not.

http://www.jim-shead.com/waterways/mwp.php?wpage=Inland-Waterways-of-England.htm

Bout/Bridge height will also be an issue – I need to look into.

[Monty]

While this sounds like an awesome project, I'm concerned it will end up a white elephant that the Hackspace will end up having to deal with. Perhaps you could elaborate further on all your planning and budgeting because at the moment it comes across as you spending all your money to get the boat, then relying on wombling to provide the materials, relying on volunteers to provide any skillset and labour shortfalls, expecting people are going to want your generated waste, and then relying on being able to find last minute cheap transport and moorings once completed. Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical but given how hard and costly it can be to dispose of even the most simple and small projects/items that have outstayed their welcome in the space I would like to see something more thoroughly planned and confirmed so, if things do go completely wrong, you have a safety net and the space doesn't need to get involved or get stung by it.

Good luck!

On Saturday, 18 May 2013 20:50:03 UTC+1, hamish campbell wrote:

How would the members feel to have a large orange water blimp in the
yard for a month
http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0008/158741/mj20040601_87.jpg

Am thinking about getting one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTxNrfHDJw&NR=1&feature=endscreen to
covert into a live-in open media centre. They vary from 7-9m in length
and have seating (like sardines) for 30-60 people.

Proposed mission at Hackspace would be to:

* remove most of the seats to open the space up

* paint it so it wasn�t bright orange (need a good weeks dry weather to

do this)
* put in some very basic live in space, bed, table etc.

* fit some basic solar panels, battery�s etc.

* steam punk it up a bit.

This would be done wombling style if anyone wont's to help.

They are fresh off oil rigs so should be in working condition with all
survival gear in them. Am going up to Scotland to have a look (and maybe
buy) end of the week.

Then put it on the river lee/canal to do the rest of the fitting out
over the summer on the Lee. Other option is in to the lee and do the

fitting out on water if hackspace doesn�t wont it - but hard to paint it

so would stay bright orange!

[wyan std]

How about having a hard dead line and putting in escrow however much it'd cost the space to remove it from the car park should it not be finished on time, plus skipping costs for the waste?