I think it's generally accepted that empty boxes can be repurposed -
we don't really want to waste expensive shelving on empty boxes.
If a box is empty and no new boxes are in stock, it's fine for someone
who requires a box to reclaim an empty one.
Space is a premium and shelving is expensive, please don't keep a box
if you have nothing stored in it.
> If a box is empty and no new boxes are in stock, it's fine for someoneSo, If somebody empties *their* labeled box in order to take the
> who requires a box to reclaim an empty one.
contents home overnight, that person could return the next day, with
the contents, only to find that *their* labeled box has been
"repurposed" -- nice.How else would you have it? If you've done something surprising, add a label (e.g "my box is only temporarily empty and will be refilled this week 31/5/2011"), and people will leave it alone.
We don't like making rules for every eventuality. The rules we do have
are here: http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Rules
It's not currently on our rules page.
I suggest that if you're looking for somewhere which strictly codifies
your means of interaction with other people, a hackerspace is not it.
I know a number of spaces only have one rule: "Don't force us to
create any rules."
Yes, this sometimes results in friction, but a lot of people find that
preferable to having pages of detailed rules.
> "If a box is empty and no new boxes are in stock, it's fine forIt's not currently on our rules page.
> who requires a box to reclaim an empty one. "
> Is this a rule?
It's just generally the advice given to people who require a box when we
run out - we do not have the resources for people to take up shelf space
unless they actually require it. This was instituted when people
complained about lack of shelving and we discovered that about an eighth
of the storage area was taken up by entirely empty boxes.
While all members are entitled to a box, you shouldn't have one sat
there empty and deprive another member who actually needs it. We have
~280 members, and if everyone claimed their right to a box we'd have to
be renamed London Storagespace.
As has been said elsewhere in the thread, if you want to make sure you
keep your box, all you have to do is leave a note in/on your box saying
"Please don't reclaim me, I'm still needed!", or alternatively just
leave something in it.
Regarding getting more boxes, I'm going to put a note in the bottom box
in the empty stack saying "This is the last box, please email the list
so we can order more".
> Is this a rule?
Has it been found yet? If not I'll try leading a expedition into unit 23 to reclaim it this evening.
Can't hurt, and might help :) Are the names familiar, or should we email both lists?
Reclaiming unused boxes is fairly straightforward - there's a slight
possibility someone will have to find a new label but there's no harm
A more difficult problem is reclaiming boxes which have contents but
have been forgotten.
It seems reasonable that if members continue to pay their subscription
they should be able to keep a box alive even if they're not actively
using it, but what happens when someone leaves ? When does the box get
recovered and the contents ditched ?
I don't consider the HackSpace to be a U-Store-IT. The boxes are not,
in my mind, a storage facility, they are a facility to allow you to
leave stuff you're work on at the space for next time, rather than
transporting it and from the space each time. If you want long term
storage, speak to Big Yellow. If you want to keep something safe, speak
to UBS in Zurich.
According to the space website memberes get a box, so it sort of follows
that non-members do not get a box. If you leave, take your sh*t with
you! If you leave it behind, expect it to get hacked/burned/eBayed*.
I'm sure we could set up the membership system to remind departing
members to empty and return their box and well as allowing a grace
period. I'm also sure anyone wanting to be an exception to the above
guidance could make a plea to the list and I'm sure we'd give it due
consideration before deciding if we should play the worlds smallest
* delete as appropriate
> I'm sure we could set up the membership system to remind departing
> members to empty and return their box and well as allowing a grace
Indeed. But at the moment, I couldn't even identify anyone as being an
ex-member (I don't think there's more than a handful anyway) let alone
find a box that could be reused. Could anyone ?