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David Eagle
May 19, 2026, 7:44:09 PMMay 19
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What fresh hell is this? After managing to navigate the pit of despair that is the discord signup page, with its incongruously maddening system to select your date of birth, I finally pressed create account. But then I was presented with the question, “are you human?“ Increasingly feeling less so by the minute, my friend. I use VO navigation, I tab, I press arrow keys, I swear, I plead, but alas none of these work. Somehow I manage to find something about accessibility and a cookie, but as soon as I find it, my focus is whipped away and I’m being told to line up various photos. I then try to sign up using the website rather than the Discord app, but the exact same thing happens, except this date of birth selection system is different, but no less unfathomable. Nevertheless, fathem it I do. This image challenge winow seems marginally more accessible. After a lot of button bashing: tabbing, arrow pressing, I find that by uninteracting with the image challenge, there’s a different window that talks about accessibility. I select the option to do something with something called an accessibility cookie. Well I don’t know what it does, but it certainly lives up to its cookie status in so much as it well and truly takes the biscuit. I get told that a cooky can’t be found on my system, and so I enter on a button that says, retrieve cooky. I then have to create an account. Fortunately this is a lot simpler. I then enter on the set cooky button, and it says cooky set. But when I return to the image capture window, it still says the cooky is not set. So I try again, and exactly the same thing happens, or …doesn’t happen. I scroll down the page, and it says that if I’m using Safari, I need to click a different link. So I click that link, and it asks me to sign up. So I log back into the image capture account. And I set the cooky, and it says it’s set, but it doesn’t change a damn thing on the image capture window I’m in. After a few more tries I get a message telling me I’ve exceeded my cooky limit for the day. So that’s where I’ve left it. I’ll probably just ask my wife to do the image capture, but I’m amazed at how difficult this has been. I’m assuming it was a lot easier to sign up back in the day when you did it, but my goodness … Sorry for the rant, but since getting a Mac a month ago, I seem to have been plundged back into the dark ages in terms of accessibility and I’ve gone from feeling rather computer savvy to ineffectual.
TheOreoMonster
May 19, 2026, 10:30:00 PMMay 19
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Hey David, it’s been forever since I signed up so I don’t remember it being that difficult. I won’t say it was pleasant then, but it’s possibly gotten worst since. Have you tried on your phone as well? One of these days I should try to make a new account and see if I can’t document the process somewhat, though it seems it changes from time to time. Hopefully the cookie just takes time to propagate and tommorw you can log in as if nothing happened.
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> On May 19, 2026, at 4:43 PM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> What fresh hell is this? After managing to navigate the pit of despair that is the discord signup page, with its incongruously maddening system to select your date of birth, I finally pressed create account. But then I was presented with the question, “are you human?“ Increasingly feeling less so by the minute, my friend. I use VO navigation, I tab, I press arrow keys, I swear, I plead, but alas none of these work. Somehow I manage to find something about accessibility and a cookie, but as soon as I find it, my focus is whipped away and I’m being told to line up various photos. I then try to sign up using the website rather than the Discord app, but the exact same thing happens, except this date of birth selection system is different, but no less unfathomable. Nevertheless, fathem it I do. This image challenge winow seems marginally more accessible. After a lot of button bashing: tabbing, arrow pressing, I find that by uninteracting with the image challenge, there’s a different window that talks about accessibility. I select the option to do something with something called an accessibility cookie. Well I don’t know what it does, but it certainly lives up to its cookie status in so much as it well and truly takes the biscuit. I get told that a cooky can’t be found on my system, and so I enter on a button that says, retrieve cooky. I then have to create an account. Fortunately this is a lot simpler. I then enter on the set cooky button, and it says cooky set. But when I return to the image capture window, it still says the cooky is not set. So I try again, and exactly the same thing happens, or …doesn’t happen. I scroll down the page, and it says that if I’m using Safari, I need to click a different link. So I click that link, and it asks me to sign up. So I log back into the image capture account. And I set the cooky, and it says it’s set, but it doesn’t change a damn thing on the image capture window I’m in. After a few more tries I get a message telling me I’ve exceeded my cooky limit for the day. So that’s where I’ve left it. I’ll probably just ask my wife to do the image capture, but I’m amazed at how difficult this has been. I’m assuming it was a lot easier to sign up back in the day when you did it, but my goodness … Sorry for the rant, but since getting a Mac a month ago, I seem to have been plundged back into the dark ages in terms of accessibility and I’ve gone from feeling rather computer savvy to ineffectual.
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> On May 19, 2026, at 4:43 PM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> What fresh hell is this? After managing to navigate the pit of despair that is the discord signup page, with its incongruously maddening system to select your date of birth, I finally pressed create account. But then I was presented with the question, “are you human?“ Increasingly feeling less so by the minute, my friend. I use VO navigation, I tab, I press arrow keys, I swear, I plead, but alas none of these work. Somehow I manage to find something about accessibility and a cookie, but as soon as I find it, my focus is whipped away and I’m being told to line up various photos. I then try to sign up using the website rather than the Discord app, but the exact same thing happens, except this date of birth selection system is different, but no less unfathomable. Nevertheless, fathem it I do. This image challenge winow seems marginally more accessible. After a lot of button bashing: tabbing, arrow pressing, I find that by uninteracting with the image challenge, there’s a different window that talks about accessibility. I select the option to do something with something called an accessibility cookie. Well I don’t know what it does, but it certainly lives up to its cookie status in so much as it well and truly takes the biscuit. I get told that a cooky can’t be found on my system, and so I enter on a button that says, retrieve cooky. I then have to create an account. Fortunately this is a lot simpler. I then enter on the set cooky button, and it says cooky set. But when I return to the image capture window, it still says the cooky is not set. So I try again, and exactly the same thing happens, or …doesn’t happen. I scroll down the page, and it says that if I’m using Safari, I need to click a different link. So I click that link, and it asks me to sign up. So I log back into the image capture account. And I set the cooky, and it says it’s set, but it doesn’t change a damn thing on the image capture window I’m in. After a few more tries I get a message telling me I’ve exceeded my cooky limit for the day. So that’s where I’ve left it. I’ll probably just ask my wife to do the image capture, but I’m amazed at how difficult this has been. I’m assuming it was a lot easier to sign up back in the day when you did it, but my goodness … Sorry for the rant, but since getting a Mac a month ago, I seem to have been plundged back into the dark ages in terms of accessibility and I’ve gone from feeling rather computer savvy to ineffectual.
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Dan Miner
May 20, 2026, 12:17:53 AMMay 20
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I can say I had similar experience trying to sign up. I just gave up since I'm not that interested in that kind of experience.
Dan
> On May 19, 2026, at 9:30 PM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
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> Hey David, it’s been forever since I signed up so I don’t remember it being that difficult. I won’t say it was pleasant then, but it’s possibly gotten worst since. Have you tried on your phone as well? One of these days I should try to make a new account and see if I can’t document the process somewhat, though it seems it changes from time to time. Hopefully the cookie just takes time to propagate and tommorw you can log in as if nothing happened.
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Dan
> On May 19, 2026, at 9:30 PM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
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> Hey David, it’s been forever since I signed up so I don’t remember it being that difficult. I won’t say it was pleasant then, but it’s possibly gotten worst since. Have you tried on your phone as well? One of these days I should try to make a new account and see if I can’t document the process somewhat, though it seems it changes from time to time. Hopefully the cookie just takes time to propagate and tommorw you can log in as if nothing happened.
David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 6:19:23 AMMay 20
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Well I just tried on the IOS app and it felt a lot simpler. Choosing my date of birth was not a life-sapping labyrinth. But then I had to agree to their terms and conditions and privacy statement. When I double tapped on this, it wouldn’t tick the box, instead it took me into safari and to their terms and conditions and privacy statement. I closed this, and tried again, but sure enough, the same thing happened. After multiple attempts, I browsed through the 43 pages of terms and conditions and privacy statement to see if the checkbox was actually on that website, but of course it wasn't. I admit I didn’t read all that text fully, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it said in there that they don’t allow blind people into their app, and that they take privacy so seriously that they’ve taken the liberty of hiding the agree checkbox. I tried double tapping and holding, but the same thing happened. I then tried turning VoiceOver off, and putting my finger down on the bit of the screen where this supposed checkbox is meant to be. I didn’t expect this to work, but was surprised to find, upon turning VoiceOver back on, that the checkbox was now ticked. So it turns out that if you can trick them into thinking you’re not blind, you can get in.
Armed with a feeling of self-satisfied smugness I confidently hit the create an account button, and then of course I had to prove I was human. Fortunately the accessibility options were actually accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone, unlike the Mac. I selected the option to be given a text based challenge. I had to replace all the I’s in opinion with the letter l. Ah what fun. Now I don’t want to brag, but I did that without breaking a sweat, but there wasn’t a submit or complete button, instead I had to tap a button called, next challenge. I was then instructed to replace all the number 3’s in an 8 digit code with number 4’s. The fun never stops. I was half way through typing the numbers, when my focus was suddenly whipped away, and I was back in the Discord signup window, with the option to create an account. I don’t know whether there’s a ridiculously short time limit on the challenge, but whatever the reason, I was out.
So tapped on create my account again, and tried to do the text challenges again, but the same thing happened. Apparently there’s three texts challenges you have to do, before you can get in, and I kept getting kicked out before I’d typed the answer to the second one.
So I tried the accessibility cookie thing. But when I tapped on the thing that says to sign in with Google, nothing happened. So I had to give up on the phone. I could have chosen the option to type in my email address and create an image capture account that way, but by this point, I wasn’t holing out much hope on that working.
I then got back on the Mac, and tried to sign up using the Chrome browser, since the accessibility cookie image capture thing seemed to suggest that Safari wasn’t as good for accessing the cookie. The discord account creation was equally as frustrating as on Safari, but once I’d managed to do the song and dance with the date of birth selection, I clicked create account.
And then I get the image capture thing, and this time I can’t find the accessibility bit. VoiceOver reads it at one point, but I can’t access it. The accessibility bit is inaccessible.
Tabbing, arrowing, but nothing. So I give up, write this email, and try and move on with my life.
I’ll ask my wife to sign up for me later, but I’m now very much behind on my day, so alas it may not be for a couple of days.
I’d say I’ve spent about two hours trying to sign up to Discord, and I reckon if you’re sighted it would take you a minute.
I’ll try and streamline these emails into a shorter and more conducive feedback message to send to Discord support, but that’s another thing to add to my to-do list. But I think my advice for anyone else wanting to join Discord, just ask someone sighted. Sorry I can’t be here with better news.
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Armed with a feeling of self-satisfied smugness I confidently hit the create an account button, and then of course I had to prove I was human. Fortunately the accessibility options were actually accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone, unlike the Mac. I selected the option to be given a text based challenge. I had to replace all the I’s in opinion with the letter l. Ah what fun. Now I don’t want to brag, but I did that without breaking a sweat, but there wasn’t a submit or complete button, instead I had to tap a button called, next challenge. I was then instructed to replace all the number 3’s in an 8 digit code with number 4’s. The fun never stops. I was half way through typing the numbers, when my focus was suddenly whipped away, and I was back in the Discord signup window, with the option to create an account. I don’t know whether there’s a ridiculously short time limit on the challenge, but whatever the reason, I was out.
So tapped on create my account again, and tried to do the text challenges again, but the same thing happened. Apparently there’s three texts challenges you have to do, before you can get in, and I kept getting kicked out before I’d typed the answer to the second one.
So I tried the accessibility cookie thing. But when I tapped on the thing that says to sign in with Google, nothing happened. So I had to give up on the phone. I could have chosen the option to type in my email address and create an image capture account that way, but by this point, I wasn’t holing out much hope on that working.
I then got back on the Mac, and tried to sign up using the Chrome browser, since the accessibility cookie image capture thing seemed to suggest that Safari wasn’t as good for accessing the cookie. The discord account creation was equally as frustrating as on Safari, but once I’d managed to do the song and dance with the date of birth selection, I clicked create account.
And then I get the image capture thing, and this time I can’t find the accessibility bit. VoiceOver reads it at one point, but I can’t access it. The accessibility bit is inaccessible.
Tabbing, arrowing, but nothing. So I give up, write this email, and try and move on with my life.
I’ll ask my wife to sign up for me later, but I’m now very much behind on my day, so alas it may not be for a couple of days.
I’d say I’ve spent about two hours trying to sign up to Discord, and I reckon if you’re sighted it would take you a minute.
I’ll try and streamline these emails into a shorter and more conducive feedback message to send to Discord support, but that’s another thing to add to my to-do list. But I think my advice for anyone else wanting to join Discord, just ask someone sighted. Sorry I can’t be here with better news.
David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 8:49:11 AMMay 20
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I’m in. It took my wife a grand total of one minute. It turns out there’s a lot to be said for this being sighted lark.
Bruce Harrell
May 20, 2026, 8:51:36 AMMay 20
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Hey David,
Good news and bad news. The good news is that there are 2 free(?) apps you might want to install. The first handles that I am not a robot automatically for you, at least most of the time, so you can breeze right past it.
The second app automatically fills out cookie preferences according to your standing preferences and does cookie consents for you without you noticing, or hardly noticing. These two apps have been discussed in applevis.
The bad news is that I can't remember their names right this second. If I do, I'll let you know. Surely though, steve will tell you. Right Steve?
Good luck Dave! smile
Bruce
install
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Good news and bad news. The good news is that there are 2 free(?) apps you might want to install. The first handles that I am not a robot automatically for you, at least most of the time, so you can breeze right past it.
The second app automatically fills out cookie preferences according to your standing preferences and does cookie consents for you without you noticing, or hardly noticing. These two apps have been discussed in applevis.
The bad news is that I can't remember their names right this second. If I do, I'll let you know. Surely though, steve will tell you. Right Steve?
Good luck Dave! smile
Bruce
install
David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 8:54:01 AMMay 20
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Hi Dan, if you want help creating an account, let me know, and I can do it for you. Or my wife can, at least. I don’t feel great about using a service with such an inaccessible sign-up process. But this is where we seem to be.
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Bruce Harrell
May 20, 2026, 8:56:35 AMMay 20
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Definitely wastes time, although the messaging can be productive if you put up with all the time wasting, but no question the designers could have done better.
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David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 9:08:29 AMMay 20
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Ah, thanks Bruce. I can look into that at some point. My wife asked me why I didn’t just ask her straight away. A good point as it would have saved me lots of time and energy, but often the trouble is you don’t really know that something is going to be ridiculously inaccessible until you spend minutes trying every navigation trick in the book you know and failing. Plus you want to try and do it for yourself, and you want to be able to report back to the community about the process, to help other people. Unfortunately sometimes it is just easier to ask for sighted help, because otherwise you end up achieving nothing with your day.
Maybe I’m missing some advanced navigation techniques with Voice Over, but I’m not aware of anything equivalent to NVDA’s object navigation, which often makes these inaccessibility issues a little more surmountable. I think Windows strikes me as a lot easier and more accessible, especially when using NVDA. If you have any go-to resources to help with VoiceOver then do feel free to let me know, as I am prepared to admit that some of this might be down to my own inexperience and user error, and that I’ve been using Windows for most of my life.
Thanks.
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Maybe I’m missing some advanced navigation techniques with Voice Over, but I’m not aware of anything equivalent to NVDA’s object navigation, which often makes these inaccessibility issues a little more surmountable. I think Windows strikes me as a lot easier and more accessible, especially when using NVDA. If you have any go-to resources to help with VoiceOver then do feel free to let me know, as I am prepared to admit that some of this might be down to my own inexperience and user error, and that I’ve been using Windows for most of my life.
Thanks.
TheOreoMonster
May 20, 2026, 10:14:02 AMMay 20
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There are a few things on the iOS app I noticed that requires the use of Screen Recognition mode to get past, its possible the terms of services is one of them. I signed up on the Mac probably a decade ago now give or take and only installed the iOS app years later when I started to actually used discord day to day, so I only had to sign in then and didn’t encounter the terms of service.
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May 20, 2026, 10:16:30 AMMay 20
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All of you having issues with signing up to the discord, the best thing you can do is to write to discord team about that shit expirience.
Whether someone likes it or not, technologies evolve and change pretty fast, and accessibility out of the box expirience is rarely the case, and always requires special care.
Beside, all these apps which use web like views simply run automated accessibility checks which run based on web accessibility guidelines, and it often gives all green lights for accessibility even accessibility is shit.
I spent years in accessibility consulting and testing world, and guys, there's no 100% prooven way to achieve good accessibility, beside the guidelines and development best practices. It often requires user feedback to be right. All of those guidelines and best practices are general, and there is endless amount of different UI designs, it's impossible to cover them all with guidelines or rules.
So, any kind of accessibility issues you face, always write to the company or devs which make that piece of software or webpage.
If you don't complain, the easiest thing for them to do is simply assume that everything is right and no need to work further on accessibility.
Accessibility will never be priority, and you simply need to accept that. Even nowadays, there are planty of companies or developers who simply don't care about their products to be inaccessible. Honestly, I even don't blame them, it's calculated decision, and alternatives always exist.
Mac with voiceover, and windows with NVDA are just flavours, someone likes one better then the other. I was windows user for 15 years at least, and mac user for like 5 years but would never go back to the windows. Still there are surely people with completely different view, and the best part, we're all right.
It's rarely the voiceover vs NVDA case, then simply app design and what team behind it did to make it accessible to everyone.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/logic-accessibility/A00839E0-23E8-41DF-95C6-04A67614977A%40googlemail.com.
Whether someone likes it or not, technologies evolve and change pretty fast, and accessibility out of the box expirience is rarely the case, and always requires special care.
Beside, all these apps which use web like views simply run automated accessibility checks which run based on web accessibility guidelines, and it often gives all green lights for accessibility even accessibility is shit.
I spent years in accessibility consulting and testing world, and guys, there's no 100% prooven way to achieve good accessibility, beside the guidelines and development best practices. It often requires user feedback to be right. All of those guidelines and best practices are general, and there is endless amount of different UI designs, it's impossible to cover them all with guidelines or rules.
So, any kind of accessibility issues you face, always write to the company or devs which make that piece of software or webpage.
If you don't complain, the easiest thing for them to do is simply assume that everything is right and no need to work further on accessibility.
Accessibility will never be priority, and you simply need to accept that. Even nowadays, there are planty of companies or developers who simply don't care about their products to be inaccessible. Honestly, I even don't blame them, it's calculated decision, and alternatives always exist.
Mac with voiceover, and windows with NVDA are just flavours, someone likes one better then the other. I was windows user for 15 years at least, and mac user for like 5 years but would never go back to the windows. Still there are surely people with completely different view, and the best part, we're all right.
It's rarely the voiceover vs NVDA case, then simply app design and what team behind it did to make it accessible to everyone.
TheOreoMonster
May 20, 2026, 10:24:27 AMMay 20
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Like windows, the longer you are at this the more of the tricks you learn to combine in specific order to get things done. Like windows sometimes switching browsers make all the difference. Chrome and Firefox are accessible as well as brave last time I checked on Mac OS. Things like item chooser, TAB and in the case of some apps like discord F6 are also useful ways to navigate around and get yourself out of some sticky situations. QuickNav, and more specifically single letter quick nav is useful in more places than just web browsers as you can use it to jump by buttons, headings etc in other places and apps as well. In fact I separate arrow key quick nav and single key quick nav for this reason and set it so pressing left and right arrows together only turns on arrow key quick nav, as there are alot of time I just want single key quick nav on without arrow key quick nav being on as well.
I generally try to avoid the OS/Screen Reader religious wars, but the thing you know the longest will usually seem better as you are familiar with all its tricks. Truth is they both have pros and cons, strength and weaknesses. Voiceover much like Logic doesn’t have a lot of the built in behaviour of other screen readers similar to how Logic doesn’t approach editing like most other DAWs do from a keyboard, so its a total mindset shift to become familiar with their work flows. The differences can lead to a more efficient workflow in cases but multi year or multi decade habits and behaviors are often very hard to break especially at first.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/logic-accessibility/A00839E0-23E8-41DF-95C6-04A67614977A%40googlemail.com.
I generally try to avoid the OS/Screen Reader religious wars, but the thing you know the longest will usually seem better as you are familiar with all its tricks. Truth is they both have pros and cons, strength and weaknesses. Voiceover much like Logic doesn’t have a lot of the built in behaviour of other screen readers similar to how Logic doesn’t approach editing like most other DAWs do from a keyboard, so its a total mindset shift to become familiar with their work flows. The differences can lead to a more efficient workflow in cases but multi year or multi decade habits and behaviors are often very hard to break especially at first.
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Kevin Gibbs
May 20, 2026, 10:50:00 AMMay 20
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Steve,
I didn’t there was more than one Quick Nav. Could you explain how you separate them?
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> On May 20, 2026, at 9:24 AM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
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> Like windows, the longer you are at this the more of the tricks you learn to combine in specific order to get things done. Like windows sometimes switching browsers make all the difference. Chrome and Firefox are accessible as well as brave last time I checked on Mac OS. Things like item chooser, TAB and in the case of some apps like discord F6 are also useful ways to navigate around and get yourself out of some sticky situations. QuickNav, and more specifically single letter quick nav is useful in more places than just web browsers as you can use it to jump by buttons, headings etc in other places and apps as well. In fact I separate arrow key quick nav and single key quick nav for this reason and set it so pressing left and right arrows together only turns on arrow key quick nav, as there are alot of time I just want single key quick nav on without arrow key quick nav being on as well.
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I didn’t there was more than one Quick Nav. Could you explain how you separate them?
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2026, at 9:24 AM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
>
> Like windows, the longer you are at this the more of the tricks you learn to combine in specific order to get things done. Like windows sometimes switching browsers make all the difference. Chrome and Firefox are accessible as well as brave last time I checked on Mac OS. Things like item chooser, TAB and in the case of some apps like discord F6 are also useful ways to navigate around and get yourself out of some sticky situations. QuickNav, and more specifically single letter quick nav is useful in more places than just web browsers as you can use it to jump by buttons, headings etc in other places and apps as well. In fact I separate arrow key quick nav and single key quick nav for this reason and set it so pressing left and right arrows together only turns on arrow key quick nav, as there are alot of time I just want single key quick nav on without arrow key quick nav being on as well.
David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 11:48:55 AMMay 20
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Great points Steve and Laid, and thanks for indulging me on the Windows Mac comparison. They were really useful perspectives. And yes, I agree with your point, Laid, regarding feeding back on accessibility. I do try, and I promise that on those occasions I do not rant, despite what my last few emails may lead you to believe. Often such communications are seemingly ignored, but I know that there are remarkable champions of accessibility advocacy in the blind world and that change does and can happen. Thanks as ever for your patients and assistance.
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Bruce Harrell
May 20, 2026, 12:40:16 PMMay 20
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True!
Hey, I don't suppose there's any chance I could borrow your wife from time to time? My own wife is very allergic to computers, unfortunately.
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Hey, I don't suppose there's any chance I could borrow your wife from time to time? My own wife is very allergic to computers, unfortunately.
David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 2:29:50 PMMay 20
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I do sometimes think it would be good to have a service where you can make a call on your computer, which connects you to a volunteer who can remotely access any app of your choosing for you. Kind of Like a computer-based version of the Be My Eyes app.
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TheOreoMonster
May 20, 2026, 2:38:12 PMMay 20
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AIRA has a desktop app via the web browser or you can call from your phone and have them remote in through RIM or Team Viewer or etc. and talk to them on the phone while they are in the computer.
Personally speaking, I’d rather a paid employee with systems in place to have any images or etc they took for me wiped after than a volunteer for certain tasks. Yes there is an expense to AIRA which unfortunately means it can be a luxury option, but I’d argue more peace of mind/security as well, especially where certain task are concerned.
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Personally speaking, I’d rather a paid employee with systems in place to have any images or etc they took for me wiped after than a volunteer for certain tasks. Yes there is an expense to AIRA which unfortunately means it can be a luxury option, but I’d argue more peace of mind/security as well, especially where certain task are concerned.
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David Eagle
May 20, 2026, 3:33:25 PM (14 days ago) May 20
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Ah, OK, I had no idea that existed. Thanks Steve.
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Ramy Moustafa Saber
May 20, 2026, 3:37:30 PM (14 days ago) May 20
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Does this service available for non american people?
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Dan Miner
May 20, 2026, 5:12:26 PM (14 days ago) May 20
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I just tried again, and it is still doing the same thing. I choose a username and password on registration. The create account prompt if I am not a robot. I switch to the accessibility version where you have to enter a word with a letter removed from it. At this point, there is no verify button and return just loops it. After about 2-3 attempts it aborts and return to the create account screen. I'm doing this on an iPhone with the app.
I used to have an account but the password reset suffers the same issues.
Honestly, there is so many other chat services and a few are quite accessible too. I don't understand why this chat service when it has been hard to use from the
Dan
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> On May 20, 2026, at 7:54 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Dan, if you want help creating an account, let me know, and I can do it for you. Or my wife can, at least. I don’t feel great about using a service with such an inaccessible sign-up process. But this is where we seem to be.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/logic-accessibility/E08EDC8E-C3FE-4ADC-B923-7CCF54D1F4C7%40googlemail.com.
I used to have an account but the password reset suffers the same issues.
Honestly, there is so many other chat services and a few are quite accessible too. I don't understand why this chat service when it has been hard to use from the
Dan
start.
> On May 20, 2026, at 7:54 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan, if you want help creating an account, let me know, and I can do it for you. Or my wife can, at least. I don’t feel great about using a service with such an inaccessible sign-up process. But this is where we seem to be.
Blake Sinnett
May 20, 2026, 6:01:09 PM (14 days ago) May 20
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Hi,
I just wanted to chime in. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. I haven't been following this thread that closely.
There is a service from the CAPTCHA provider that may help:
https://dashboard.hcaptcha.com/welcome_accessibility
If you set a cookie, it makes the checkbox work far more reliably. You'll have to use a browser to sign up and take actions that require CAPTCHA, but you can sign in with the app just fine after that.
Thanks,
Blake
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I just wanted to chime in. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. I haven't been following this thread that closely.
There is a service from the CAPTCHA provider that may help:
https://dashboard.hcaptcha.com/welcome_accessibility
If you set a cookie, it makes the checkbox work far more reliably. You'll have to use a browser to sign up and take actions that require CAPTCHA, but you can sign in with the app just fine after that.
Thanks,
Blake
TheOreoMonster
Jun 2, 2026, 1:59:15 PM (yesterday) Jun 2
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Hey Kevin,
Sorry it took a while to get back to you on this. Hopefully this explains things well for you.
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-T.O.M
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Kevin Gibbs
Jun 2, 2026, 2:49:28 PM (24 hours ago) Jun 2
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Steve,
Frankly, I’d completely forgotten my inquiry. This is truly inspired stuff. I’ve put this video on my Chrome Bookmarks bar.
Thanks again,
Kevin
On Jun 2, 2026, at 12:58 PM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
Hey Kevin,Sorry it took a while to get back to you on this. Hopefully this explains things well for you.
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