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Subject: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
LNC Motion: Rescind the Libertarian National Convention Speaking slots offered to any declared candidates seeking the Presidential nomination of any U.S. Political Party other than the Libertarian Party.
Seeking co-sponsors
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Grow a pair, Todd.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Co-sponsor.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Region 7 co-sponsors.
Beth Vest, J.D.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
For those interested, I'll share my thoughts on this matter:
Naturally,
Adam Haman
Region 1 Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of Nevada
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
The speakers, schedule, and other items need to be ratified through the LNC. We need to hold a meeting; I have been wanting to talk finances both for convention and in general. Do we have interest in doing so now?
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
The fact is that with one exception I can remember last term the LNC never has approved every speaker. That provision has been routinely ignored. That certainly is unfortunate and that passage of PM should be revisited. However contracts have
already been signed with speakers and announced long ago so the LNC has effectively acquiesced.
The one exception is in this thread. That speaker did not come through CoC as described in that PM provision, it came through Chair acting as CEO and thus does not fall under that provision. It properly falls under rescission which is the subject
here.
If someone wishes to try to rescind other speakers they may get co-sponsors if they can.
tldr; it is being addressed already through this thread as all others already contracted.
I will be making a motion to amend that PM section. It's been routinely ignored for multiple terms and should reflect actual practice.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Actually I was incorrect - at least for 2022 all speakers from CoC were approved. My faulty memory. I went and found the voting records. The ones that came out CoC could be ratified at this time if someone wish to make that motion.
The speaker in this thread did not come from CoC.
Apologies for faulty memory. But that PM still needs to be changed as "convention program" has never been approved which includes far more than speakers
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And actually specific apologies to all members of prior fine CoC as I incorrectly stated they did not ask for approval when they did. That error is entirely mine, and I ask their forgiveness.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
2 of my chairs are in favor of rescinding outright and 1 more would like the policy manual to be satisfied so based on that I am cosponsoring this motion.
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What a bloody joke.
Todd,
Instead of wasting our time with this pathetic attempt at appeasing our lessers who do nothing but seek to destroy the efforts of others, stay in the Shire after second breakfast, where you’ve seemingly been for months instead of doing your job.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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2 of my chairs are in favor of rescinding outright and 1 more would like the policy manual to be satisfied so based on that I am cosponsoring this motion.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Point of Order:
The Policy Manual does not require approval for after-hours speakers. Therefore, the Chair acted within her authority as CEO of the Party and entered into, at a minimum, an oral contract with President Trump that has at least already been partially executed,
and this motion does not specify what unexecuted portions are to be rescinded.
Furthermore, based on Convention sales, third parties have invested money and perhaps made travel plans in reasonable reliance upon this contract, especially here in California.
Adrian F Malagon
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Madame Chair,
Enough is enough.
I ask that you act NOW to sanction Mr. Malagon, for repeated cause.
He has repeatedly demeaned, in the most unprofessional way, officers and members of this board, other party leaders, and members who contact him.
His comments directed to the treasurer today are once again beyond the pale. They're outside of what is permissible in any professional organization. It is your responsibility to stop it.
Sanction him now, please, or step aside immediately for someone who will (Andrew, Steven, Kathy, anyone!).
You are enabling this, Madam Chair, by not taking action. It's not just because we're near the convention. It's been going on for months.
Please take action. Sanction Mr. Malagon, propose a censure motion, whatever comes to mind. But do something, please.
Sincerely,
Mark Tuniewicz
Adrian Malagon Thursday, May 2 at 4:24 PMWhat a bloody joke.<br><br><br>Todd,<br><br><br>Instead of wasting our time with this pathetic attempt at appeasing our lessers who do nothing but seek to destroy the efforts of others, stay in the Shire after second breakfast, where you’ve seemingly been for months instead of doing your job.<br><br><br><br><br>Adrian F Malagon<br>At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Mark,
Choke on your words or whatever thing in a red dress you fancy.
Adrian F Malagon
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Mr. Malagon,
This is either an after hours event which needs no permission or consideration by the entire committee, or it is "... based on Convention sales, third parties have invested money and perhaps made travel plans in reasonable reliance upon this contract, especially
here in California."
I cannot be both. Which do you prefer?
Beth Vest, J.D.
Region 7 Representative - Libertarian National Committee
Treasurer - Libertarian Party of Louisiana
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I prefer that you not cosplay as someone who has an IQ of above 70.
Adrian F Malagon
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I await the ruling of the Chair. Per the Policy Manual I have two days to start a ballot (i.e., by Saturday), and I am giving the Chair that time.
In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250
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What ruling are we waiting on?
Regardless of whether her action violated the PM, the LNC can vote to undo an invitation. Correct?
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My motion does not reference the Policy Manual
It is simply an LNC vote to rescind an invitation
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Mr. Malagon raised a point of order. I am awaiting the ruling of the Chair.
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You’ll have to forgive Todd, he’s checked out again.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Mr. Hagopian, I am not the Chair, and the Chair needs to rule on Mr. Malagon’s Point of Order which he has every right to make. I await her ruling, and until then I am bowing out of naked game of political theatre.
In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
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Todd Hagopian <todd.h...@lp.org>
Date: Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
My motion does not reference the Policy Manual
It is simply an LNC vote to rescind an invitation
What ruling are we waiting on?
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
This thread is obnoxious
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Implying that I engage in political theater is rich. I will wait the ruling of the chair on the point of order that did not bring up any issue in which to be ruled on.
Thank you.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
You’re not qualified to understand the meaning of the word “rich.” Your financial track record here shows as much.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
On May 2, 2024, at 18:34, Todd Hagopian <todd.h...@lp.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Interesting day to make that comment, given the seven figures that hit my bank account around 2pm.
Have a blessed day, Adrian.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
That’s great! I look forward to a massive donation to the LNC then to help offset some of your failures here.
Best wishes.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
On May 2, 2024, at 18:48, Todd Hagopian <todd.h...@lp.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Against my better judgment, Mr. Malagon’s Point of Order was not based on the Policy Manual. He mentioned the Policy Manual as I understand it to address comments made in public by members. His point of order that the invitation cannot be rescinded in full and there are financial costs to the party that were not addressed in the motion which is part of the whole procedure of rescission and did not address the liability to the Party from third parties.
It is ironic that some did not want to vote for a Line of Credit without knowing all the details but are fine with malformed motion that I do not believe is in order as written (I made the same point of order before) with catastrophic financial implications. Further anyone can read the room and know this will not pass. That is why I called it political theater. Being on the losing side of an issue, knowing one will remain on the losing side with a motion to rescind, is deeply inconsiderate of the time and emotional cost on fellow LNC members. I stand by that statement. With that, I am out.
Mr. Malagon’s Point of Order is being misrepresented.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
The minority should not speak up if they are likely to lose a vote?
Perhaps we should stop running candidates?
Sorry, I rarely engage in debate on non-debate threads, but that was a ridiculous post. I have voted, on principle, on the losing side of dozens of issues this term. I never read the riot act afterwards, but I have the right to vote my conscience, and “wasting
people’s time” on an email ballot is the least we can do when over half of the membership is up in arms surrounding an issue.
I will be done for the night, and await whatever ruling the chair believes she has to make on the point of order
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Im in the middle of late night trial prep. I will catch up fully on the thread once I'm finished.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Mr. Hagopian that was not a fair characterization of my point. Any minority voice (I'm often that voice) is free to express their disagreement in an email and ask others to join with their disagreement. At less hectic times even do a futile
motion. But at a time when a handful of us are truly sacrificing every waking moment to make this a success forcing a futile vote is political theater. That's my opinion. I take no offense if you think it's ridiculous as you stated. I honestly don't. We
are both adults and have always stated our opinions freely to each other.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
I'm just catching up. I will research the point of order in the morning and try to rule quickly. Convention sales skyrocketed today and people did make purchases based on the news, but I'll hold off on ruling based on that til I get a solid
understanding.
Censure:
No, I'm not moving to censure anyone with less than a month left in the term. Yes, Mr. Malagon's list behavior is atrocious. Yes, I have publicly and privately reprimanded him multiple times.
Notably, Mark saves his awful behavior for Facebook where he frequently accuses me of stealing/fraud/getting paid, and plenty of other demonstrably false lies. I guess that's politics, and it's what political opposition
does.
As chair, I am unilaterally instructing everyone to touch grass.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Madame Chair,
It was 85 degrees outside in Ohio today. My northern blood would curdle if I attempted to touch grass. Tomorrow looks more promising.
In all serious, thank you for taking the time to let us know you're looking into it.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
If saying out loud what everyone else on this list is thinking is “atrocious,” so be it.
I believe in transparency which is why I do it here instead of in a social media circle jerk a coward.
I stand by everything I’ve said, because it’s true.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Mr. Malagon,
Please refrain from levying the personal insults against the member of my Region and State. While that may be a representation of your feelings, they are not accurate of the person nor appropriate.
I also believe in transparency, but we are already well aware of your position and character.
Respectfully,
Paul Darr, Region 7 Alternate
Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Mr. Darr,
While we’re on the topic of character, please refrain from leaking anymore confidential information. Thank you.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Sorry for the delay. I've consulted 3 different parliamentarians and my ruling is as follows:
The point of order is well taken for two reasons:
Mr. Hagopian's motion is procedurally incorrect. The LNC cannot rescind something they have not voted on. As the Chair, I made the invitation to Donald Trump. The correct motion would be to direct me to rescind my invitation to him, and to rescind any and all
other invitations to other presidential candidates who are not seeking our nomination. I have extended the invite to three other candidates.
The motion is also out of order because we have already entered into financial contracts regarding Donald Trump's appearance. Ticket sales jumped up considerably, we sold debate topic questions, and people have begun to arrange travel, including media.
Additional, relevant information: I extended the invite to other candidates, including Afroman, who is performing for us at an afterparty event. He's been a guest at state conventions in the past. It would be tacky and classless and to now turn him away. While
Rich Bowen was COC Chair, he and the committee agreed to let me select all the convention speakers, so I have done that. I kept two of the officers and one COC member in confidence regarding the invitation to Pres. Trump because I wanted some feedback and
support before arranging his appearance officially. I did not inform the entire COC or LNC because we have an obvious history of leaks and violations of confidentiality. That's still an ongoing concern.
You can appeal my ruling, if you want. If you make a separate motion on the same topic, I'm going to rule it out of order for the same contractual reasons, but you can appeal that and we can start the appeal/overturn process.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
I appeal the ruling of the chair
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
My appeal is because this point of order was ruled on based on things that were not in the point of order at all.
The point of order never clamed my motion to be out of order, nor did the point of order reference my motion being procedurally incorrect. It referenced the policy manual, which my motion never referenced, so is moot. It referenced individuals making financial
arrangements based on the announcement, which does not rise to the level of "contracts"
My original motion never asked to rescind an LNC action, it asked to rescind invitations. This is absolutely in order, just as the LNC could order the Chair/Staff not to spend money on a certain thing that was never voted on, but that they were normally allowed
to spend money on within the typical rules.
Donations can be refunded, those are not contracts. Has Trump been paid? Have we been paid? As Treasurer, if either of these things have happened, I am unaware.
Part of extending a controversial invitation, without a vote, is the risk that people would want to rescind it. The Chair knowingly took this risk, despite this exact same thing happening earlier in the term.
Point: Nothing in the Chair's ruling addresses the point of order. My motion has received the correct amount of sponsors. There is no need to stifle debate on important issues. The next step should be a vote. If you don't like the motion, vote against
it, but this LNC has had a terrible history of stifling debate, and this would be an egregious example of that again.
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Appeal - Defense
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Subject: Re: LNC Motion - Seeking co-sponsors
Mr. Hagopian, please request co-sponsors for your appeal in a new thread. I cannot possibly keep track of things in multiple threads with the amount of emails I get. Thank you so very much.
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