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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
We have an email ballot. Votes are due to the LNC Business List on this email thread by 11:59 pm Pacific Time on May 20, 2024.
Co-Sponsors: Haman, Ford, Harlos, Malagon
Motion: Appoint Adrian Malagon as LNC Credentials Committee Representative.
This motion depends upon 20240513-02
Vote Threshold Required: Majority
You can track the progress of votes here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yPeQmj1CzHh4gvSZV7ZoDfXOU3kcdgy2/edit#gid=1638016728
Please advise me of any discrepancies.
In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Aye.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
No.
This type of behavior should not be rewarded with additional roles and responsibilities. And, people who are actively challenging state delegations should not then be made a potential judge in those actions.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Mr. Hagopian,
To avoid embarrassing you further, I’ll give you this one opportunity to watch what you say to me or about me moving forward and stand down.
There won't be second.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Mr. Malagon is not challenging a state delegation. He has challenged one delegate and any credentials committee member may do so, in fact, when credentialling in making a determination that someone is not eligible, that is what is being done. This was done before any determination was made.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Several people have asked me privately for a ruling on the validity of this motion but it's very late at night. I will seek parliamentary advice in the morning.
Angela McArdle
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I can imagine what it is but one motion can be dependent on another. If the earlier does not pass, this one becomes moot by nature. It is not out of order. You can have two motions at the same time, one to accept a resignation, and one to appoint someone to a position. If the resignation is not accepted, the other motion becomes impossible and is simply moot.
Additionally, even if one were to say that were not the case, it is easily cured by simply starting a new ballot on the fully sponsored motion to expire one day later.
I look forward to the ruling of the Chair.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I'm sure Adrian threatening another member will go unpunished, again, but it is worth noting that he did so in an email motion nominating himself to be named onto a committee.
You all can't be serious - vote no on this motion
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Todd,
Apparently, asking you to take the high ground was too much of an ask. Since you were seemingly unable to purchase the ladder you would need to join me despite your newfound wealth, I suppose we shouldn’t hold our breath for that donation to make up for
all of the shortcomings we experienced as a result of your “service” on this Board.
I know you’re upset about all of the hobbit parallels, and I apologize. I didn’t realize dwarfs get so testy (or whatever your equivalent is) when they’re misidentified.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
On the subject of the ballot I welcome personal calls. Our appointees serve at our pleasure and with our vision of getting things done. I don't expect everyone to do the amount of frenetic work I do but I've been to these meetings and getting
appointed isn't a golden ticket - I've watched and talked with our appointees and been to many meetings and read every email. I apologize who this offends but it gives me some right to an opinion. Members of the public were wrongly kept out of meetings,
including myself, by our own appointees! others things I will not discuss here. We have an absolute responsibility to get this committee ruthlessly on track and second guessing from the sidelines is anyone's right I guess, but I've been there, I know what
needs to be done in the TEN DAYS prior and support these motions.
We can bicker over personalities and mean emails. I'm not. We have a job to do and someone who will help keep things on track. You don't have to like Adrian. I don't care. I care about getting this together FAST. There was literally a twenty
or more minute debate about THE ROLE OF THE COMMITTEE ten days out!!!!!!!!!! We have a responsibility in our apppointees to get the job done.
I was there. Send Adrian a severed horse head or something. But vote yes on these so we can help things move.
You also (the metaphorical you not anyone in particular) don't have to like me. But I am an LNC member who has certain expectations of our appointees and when not met, I'm going to remediate.
My phone is open.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
If you like me, send me a bottle of scotch. If you don’t like me, send me two if for no other reason than to send me to an early grave, but please…no one send me a severed horse head.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
One severed horse head on its way.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Hard no.
Mr Malagon has demonstrated a temperament and personal style that is inconsistent with service on the Credentials Committee.
He has also repeatedly indicated that he will not be present at our national convention where service on that committee is the most important.
Further, passing this motion gives additional fuel to the pending derivative lawsuit against us.
I urge my colleagues to vote no.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
Adam Haman
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Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of Nevada
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
With all due respect to my colleague Adrian, I am voting no unless I know that Adrian will be attending convention in DC, which I think is necessary for this committee especially now that we are down to the wire. I served as an alt for credentials
a few conventions ago and it was necessary to be on site.
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I was asked if this removal motion is in order, or if more explicit cause needs to be stated.
After consulting with a parliamentarian, yes, it is in order.
A few more notes:
It is a demotion to alternate, not strict removal.
I am going to reach out to Credentials Committee members to discuss this conflict at length & try to de-escalate things. I have already spoken to Jessica. I believe Mr. Malagon and our Secretary have genuine concerns about credentialing. We
need to address their concerns, and also try not to blow things up right before convention, if possible. I appreciate everyone's hard work. I know this is stressful.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
Since you did not address the specific point of order I raised (citing specific language from our policy manual), I appeal your ruling that this motion is in order.
The proposed motion continues to be in conflict with the policy manual.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I saw your point of order after I made comments here. I intended to address your point of order separately. It will probably take me a couple more hours. I'm moving as quickly as possible.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I vote yes
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
My yes vote yesterday got somehow lost in the ether.
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I have been asked to bump outstanding ballots as everyone is so busy. Be sure you have voted.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
A reminder that my point of order on this motion (and by extension, related ones) has yet to be ruled on. No vote can be taken/concluded until you have ruled.
Thank you,
Mark Tuniewicz
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I saw your point of order after I made comments here. I intended to address your point of order separately. It will probably take me a couple more hours. I'm moving as quickly as possible.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
Since you did not address the specific point of order I raised (citing specific language from our policy manual), I appeal your ruling that this motion is in order.
The proposed motion continues to be in conflict with the policy manual.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I was asked if this removal motion is in order, or if more explicit cause needs to be stated.
After consulting with a parliamentarian, yes, it is in order.
A few more notes:
It is a demotion to alternate, not strict removal.
I am going to reach out to Credentials Committee members to discuss this conflict at length & try to de-escalate things. I have already spoken to Jessica. I believe Mr. Malagon and our Secretary have genuine concerns about credentialing. We
need to address their concerns, and also try not to blow things up right before convention, if possible. I appreciate everyone's hard work. I know this is stressful.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
Adam Haman
Region 1 Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of Nevada
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Hard no.
Mr Malagon has demonstrated a temperament and personal style that is inconsistent with service on the Credentials Committee.
He has also repeatedly indicated that he will not be present at our national convention where service on that committee is the most important.
Further, passing this motion gives additional fuel to the pending derivative lawsuit against us.
I urge my colleagues to vote no.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
After speaking with multiple members of the credentials committee and its chair over the course of this
week, I vote no.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
My apologies. Your point of order is not well taken. We recently appointed Scott Peterson to the COC, as well. Billy Pierce was appointed last term, too. Appointments can late and demotion from an appointed position are not the same as strict removal from an
elected position.
I know there is a desire to see this end without removal or conflict. I have suggested that all parties communicate to work things out behind the scenes and I am still making myself available to do that. I also know there are still some LNC members who have
genuine reservations about the work being finished on time, according to procedure. Let's keep trying to work everything out and let's also make sure we are being helpful. For example, if a Credentials Committee member asks you for your state bylaws, please
comply. The committee needs those bylaws and it will help concerned people feel confident that the work is getting done.
I thank the Credentials Committee members for their work. I know their job is not easy.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
I appeal the ruling of the chair. It's clear from the bylaws that appointments need to happen 6 months prior to convention for good reason. To prevent shenanigans.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Please start a new thread to ask for co-sponsors.
I will note this. I would ask the chair to not entertain the appeal as dilatory. Why? Let’s say Mr. Tuniewicz got three co-sponsors by tomorrow. Even today. With a seven day email ballot it would expire after the last credentials committee meeting. It is futile and dilatory. And I request the Chair to not entertain it. But even if she does, it in reality makes no difference. The motion is ruled in order and will take effect or not effect when it ends depending on the votes.
This is the reality of email motions.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I am going to co-sponsor.
This is not stopping work from being done. The person set to be replaced actively wants to keep serving, so there is nothing stopping the committee from meeting while we sort this out.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Of course. But if the motion passes, the positions change, the appeal cannot be heard in time to overturn. An in-order motion comes into effect upon passage. Presently the motion is in order. If the motion does not pass, the appeal is moot in practice.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Now on to a more esoteric note. Of course it doesn’t stop work from being done on the Committee. But a good chunk of us on the LNC are in fact stopped from doing other work by attending to a futile motion, particularly the Party Secretary.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Thank you for co-sponsoring my appeal of the ruling of the chair, Mr Treasurer.
Since such an appeal only needs to be seconded, we should be proceeding immediately to a vote on the appeal.
There is nothing dilatory about wanting fair treatment for our volunteers on the credentials committee.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Give it a rest. Everyone has already seen this movie and no one is interested in a sequel.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
On May 18, 2024, at 18:29, Mark Tuniewicz <mark.tu...@lp.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I vote no.
I believe this motion is out of order after re-reading associated bylaws and policy in spite of chairs rulings. In addition, Mr. Malagon left a committee for being unable to attend, so he is unable to perform duties in the upcoming week.
Respectfully,
Paul Darr, Region 7 Alternate
Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Why is an alternate voting on motions?
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
On May 19, 2024, at 16:09, Paul Darr <paul...@lp.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
When the primary member is unavailable, has a conflict, or otherwise permits it, Alternates can certainly vote. And there are other reasons, such as if the primary has some personal objection to the subject being voted on. Our Alternates are not 2nd class
citizens, it's best they are not treated as such. They are important members of the Committee with a lot to contribute.
With best wishes,
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I will co-sponsor this, if co-sponsors are needed.
From: Mark Tuniewicz <mark.tu...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
I appeal the ruling of the chair. It's clear from the bylaws that appointments need to happen 6 months prior to convention for good reason. To prevent shenanigans.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
To: Dustin Blankenship <dustin.bl...@lp.org>; Mark Tuniewicz <mark.tu...@lp.org>; Adam Haman <adam....@lp.org>; LP Secretary <secr...@lp.org>; LNC Business <lnc-bu...@lp.org>; 4eb01eb...@amer.teams.ms <4eb01eb...@amer.teams.ms>;
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
My apologies. Your point of order is not well taken. We recently appointed Scott Peterson to the COC, as well. Billy Pierce was appointed last term, too. Appointments can late and demotion from an appointed position are not the same as strict removal from an
elected position.
I know there is a desire to see this end without removal or conflict. I have suggested that all parties communicate to work things out behind the scenes and I am still making myself available to do that. I also know there are still some LNC members who have
genuine reservations about the work being finished on time, according to procedure. Let's keep trying to work everything out and let's also make sure we are being helpful. For example, if a Credentials Committee member asks you for your state bylaws, please
comply. The committee needs those bylaws and it will help concerned people feel confident that the work is getting done.
I thank the Credentials Committee members for their work. I know their job is not easy.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
After speaking with multiple members of the credentials committee and its chair over the course of this
week, I vote no.
From: Mark Tuniewicz <mark.tu...@lp.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 3:04:03 PM
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
A reminder that my point of order on this motion (and by extension, related ones) has yet to be ruled on. No vote can be taken/concluded until you have ruled.
Thank you,
Mark Tuniewicz
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I saw your point of order after I made comments here. I intended to address your point of order separately. It will probably take me a couple more hours. I'm moving as quickly as possible.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Madame Chair,
Since you did not address the specific point of order I raised (citing specific language from our policy manual), I appeal your ruling that this motion is in order.
The proposed motion continues to be in conflict with the policy manual.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I was asked if this removal motion is in order, or if more explicit cause needs to be stated.
After consulting with a parliamentarian, yes, it is in order.
A few more notes:
It is a demotion to alternate, not strict removal.
I am going to reach out to Credentials Committee members to discuss this conflict at length & try to de-escalate things. I have already spoken to Jessica. I believe Mr. Malagon and our Secretary have genuine concerns about credentialing. We
need to address their concerns, and also try not to blow things up right before convention, if possible. I appreciate everyone's hard work. I know this is stressful.
Angela McArdle
LNC Chair
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
Adam Haman
Region 1 Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of Nevada
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Hard no.
Mr Malagon has demonstrated a temperament and personal style that is inconsistent with service on the Credentials Committee.
He has also repeatedly indicated that he will not be present at our national convention where service on that committee is the most important.
Further, passing this motion gives additional fuel to the pending derivative lawsuit against us.
I urge my colleagues to vote no.
With best wishes
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Mr. Darr may vote at any time we decide he can vote and I don't need a note from the principle for the committee, nor permission before he does so.
But just in case, Region 7 votes NO.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
When the primary member is unavailable, has a conflict, or otherwise permits it, Alternates can certainly vote. And there are other reasons, such as if the primary has some personal objection to the subject being voted on. Our Alternates are not 2nd class
citizens, it's best they are not treated as such. They are important members of the Committee with a lot to contribute.
With best wishes,
Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Representative
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Why is an alternate voting on motions?
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
On May 19, 2024, at 16:09, Paul Darr <paul...@lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I believe this motion is out of order after re-reading associated bylaws and policy in spite of chairs rulings. In addition, Mr. Malagon left a committee for being unable to attend, so he is unable to perform duties in the upcoming week.
Respectfully,
Paul Darr, Region 7 Alternate
Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Because he can.
Beth Vest, J.D.
Region 7 Representative - Libertarian National Committee
Treasurer - Libertarian Party of Louisiana
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I just assumed maybe you actually felt some shame for your stupid lawsuit, but it’s good to know you have none.
Adrian F Malagon
At-Large Rep, Libertarian National Committee
Chair, Libertarian Party of California
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Yes
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Subject: FW: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Pat voted yes and sent to me accidentally.
In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250
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Pat Ford <pat....@lp.org>
Date: Monday, May 20, 2024 at 5:24 PM
To: LP Secretary <secr...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
I would like to take a moment to thank all of the folks, regardless of their thoughts on anyone of a number of subjects, for reaching out these past few weeks. The emails, letters, texts & phone calls were thoughtful, reasoned, and well considered.
As an LNC Regional Representative, I represent the interest of the Affiliates in Region 8, as represented by the Chairs of each State Affiliate. In each of the 3 Motions voted on tonight, the State Affiliates Voted Aye, unanimously. Accordingly. I vote in the Affirmative.
Respectfully
Pat Ford
LNC Region 8 Representative
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credentials Rep
Voting has ended for EMAIL BALLOT 20240513-03 Appoint new LNC Credential Rep
The Motion PASSED with a vote count of 10-6-0-1.
Voting Aye: Benner, Dassing, Ford, Haman, Haman, Hays, Malagon, Rufo, Yeniscavich, Watkins
Voting No: Blankenship, Darr, Hagopian, Nanna, Nekhaila, Tuniewicz
Express Abstentions: None
No Vote Recorded: McArdle
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