There is and was some discussion about the future of the Kisslicer forumAs many probably know, this forum is set-up by me because the official forum on Kisslkicer.com was polluted by spam in absence of Jonathan; therefore the name: Kisslicer Refugee Camp.Now Jonathan has returned and is in the process to finalize the Beta, it's a good moment to discuss how we all would continue with the Kisslicer forum.It seems we have three options:
- Stay here at Google Groups
- Migrate to a new forum, already set-up by Plexuss: kisslicertalk.com
- Restore the old forum, owned by Jonathan: kisslicer.com
Some considerations I have:
- There should be only one Kisslicer forum, to have all info at one place. Jonathan has to agree it's the official forum, whether it's owned by him or not.
- To avoid the problems we had with the original forum: there should be several administrators with full access to whatever forum we choose. At the moment we have two "lonesocks', two general experienced Kisslicer users and two CubeltMod/Cube-X experts. A team like we now have -or even more- seems to me ideal.
- The Google Group possibilities are very limited: a wider range of possibilities as the old one or kisslicertalk.com would be great. More Subforums are definitely making it easier to find info. Same for search: it's not possible to search in the content of Google Groups, only in the subjects of posts (amazing limitation IMO).
- By migrating we are not 'owned' by Google anymore.
- It seems that migrating info in Google Group only is possible to another Google Group. But we can do the same when we made this forum: copy the most important info. We can lock this forum as well, so no new posting is possible, but you can still read the info.
- We now have more than 2000 members, it will be the second migration within a year, maybe we loose people by that, but OTOH, a simple redirect / new link on the Kisslicer.com side would do the trick.
- I put over 200 hours in this forum ^%#@%*((&!
- The new forum has to be backed-up to another place on daily bases. So when the owner of the place it's hosted went nuts, got a midlife crisis, or chooses to live in a better world, we are able to host the site on another place. Where do you host Kisslicertalk, Plexuss? At home or a data-centre or so?
- A considerable part of this forum is populated by Cube-x users. Do they want to migrate with Kisslicer, or do they want their own place? Or do want to stay here when the 'official' Kisslicer forum is migrating?
Please let's hear your voice, what you think about those points and whatever other consideration.
Although it's tempting, there will be no another Poll by me ;-)Thanks!Bart
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There is and was some discussion about the future of the Kisslicer forumAs many probably know, this forum is set-up by me because the official forum on Kisslkicer.com was polluted by spam in absence of Jonathan; therefore the name: Kisslicer Refugee Camp.Now Jonathan has returned and is in the process to finalize the Beta, it's a good moment to discuss how we all would continue with the Kisslicer forum.It seems we have three options:
- Stay here at Google Groups
- Migrate to a new forum, already set-up by Plexuss: kisslicertalk.com
- Restore the old forum, owned by Jonathan: kisslicer.com
Some considerations I have:
- There should be only one Kisslicer forum, to have all info at one place. Jonathan has to agree it's the official forum, whether it's owned by him or not.
- To avoid the problems we had with the original forum: there should be several administrators with full access to whatever forum we choose. At the moment we have two "lonesocks', two general experienced Kisslicer users and two CubeltMod/Cube-X experts. A team like we now have -or even more- seems to me ideal.
- The Google Group possibilities are very limited: a wider range of possibilities as the old one or kisslicertalk.com would be great. More Subforums are definitely making it easier to find info. Same for search: it's not possible to search in the content of Google Groups, only in the subjects of posts (amazing limitation IMO).
- By migrating we are not 'owned' by Google anymore.
- A lot of other 3D Printer manufacturers / users are using the well known Google Groups as well, so a lot of people are familiar with the look-and-feel.
- There has been absolute NO spam in this forum. For that aspect it's very easy to maintain. It seems other type of forums are fighting spam with much more effort.
- It seems that migrating info in Google Group only is possible to another Google Group. But we can do the same when we made this forum: copy the most important info. We can lock this forum as well, so no new posting is possible, but you can still read the info.
- We now have more than 2000 members, it will be the second migration within a year, maybe we loose people by that, but OTOH, a simple redirect / new link on the Kisslicer.com site would do the trick.
- I put over 200 hours in this forum ^%#@%*((&!
- The new forum has to be backed-up to another place on daily bases. So when the owner of the place it's hosted went nuts, got a midlife crisis, or chooses to live in a better world, we are able to host the site on another place. Where do you host Kisslicertalk, Plexuss? At home or a data-centre or so?
- A considerable part of this forum is populated by Cube-x users. Do they want to migrate with Kisslicer, or do they want their own place? Or do want to stay here when the 'official' Kisslicer forum is migrating?
Not all important points, but that's all I could think off.
Please let's hear your voice, what you think about those points and whatever other consideration.
if you ask me he even has the right to hit the master delete and leave
us behind strandeded if that pleases him.... might be an extreme
example but i hope you catch the drift....
i mostly just delete the posts from here since many of them are not
direct related to the software but rather related to different 3D
printers and kisslicer...
Thanks admin for your works !
Maybe impose a deadline: If the kisslicer.com forum is not up and running by <enter date> then lets start using kisslicertalk.com
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Oops, sorry! I have been reading this thread occasionally, but not really focusing on it. I did not mean to be ignoring everyone! So, I will weigh in here:
- I have 0 knowledge about running a forum (yes, it shows!).
- I would love to move to a dedicated forum...as much as Google does some things really well, Groups isn't on my list of top 42 favorite forum options.
- My first preference is to go back to the original forum.
- the KISSlicerTalk.com forum is a great idea too, and if I can't get the original KS forum back up I would be totally comfortable going this route.
- No matter which forum we move to, we will need multiple moderators.
- If we go back to the old forum I am happy to give admin rights to some of you! Note that I feel bad asking for volunteers, but really do appreciate the offers!
- Sub-forums for specific printers / firmware / whatever is fine also.
- The old forum was over-run with SPAM and the forum page (and database?) was locked. I think I need to petition the hosting sysadmins about restoring it. I am further guessing that I will need to purge the SPAM before they let it back up, and I have no idea how to do that!! THIS IS MY CRY FOR HELP!
- I also have no idea how to try to import the info from *this* forum into whichever we decide to use. Are there tools for that?
- Btw, I absolutely love the name "KISSlicer Refuge Camp". Even for the official forum, I am tempted to keep the name. [8^)
So, the upshot is, I would like to go back if it is feasible, but I will need help! Can you guys advise me on what I should do next?
P.S. I was out of touch for the last week or so because it was my wife's and my 8th anniversary. [8^)
- I also have no idea how to try to import the info from *this* forum into whichever we decide to use. Are there tools for that?
Bart would know better than I.
Thanks, that makes about four moderators at least. About the decision date: I know it's arbitrary, but it's about a year ago I made this forum. As everyone doubted that Jonathan ever would return, I decided to make a forum the easiest way I could find, so we could at least find each other.Looking back, it would have been better to make a real forum and host it myself. But I think that we have to decide now the same way: on the information we have today, as Jonathan wasn't able to revive the old forum the last half year, and I don't got the impression it will be on line on a short notice.
Also: I think it's very rude to keep Brett (Plexuss) hanging, just because we all think it would be the best to go back to the old forum, but forced to wait until 'something magical' will happen. It will not.It's simply not a good idea anymore to go back to the old forum, as it's obviously not a priority for Jonathan. He has pointed out as well that he hasn't got enough expertise to revive and clean-up the old forum.I think it was very generous and -even more- great of Brett he was willing to wait after he took the initiative to make a new forum. In his place, I would already have taken it down with a big notice: Screw You Guys!So, I would suggest we will start to think about the layout / sections etc. of the Kisslicertalk forum with Brett, and have some moderators added.
There are four for now, as I'm aware off:
Brett (plexuss)Massimo (max72)Ken (3D_er)
Bart (funBart)We can add Jonathan too, but only after he has finished his official release ;-) Maybe Cheryl (mrs. Lonesock) is willing to be a mod too again.Bart
On Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:06:28 UTC+1, max72 wrote:
But I think that we have to decide now the same way: on the information we have today, as Jonathan wasn't able to revive the old forum the last half year, and I don't got the impression it will be on line on a short notice.
Also: I think it's very rude to keep Brett (Plexuss) hanging, just because we all think it would be the best to go back to the old forum, but forced to wait until 'something magical' will happen. It will not.
I think it was very generous and -even more- great of Brett he was willing to wait after he took the initiative to make a new forum. In his place, I would already have taken it down with a big notice: Screw You Guys!
It's simply not a good idea anymore to go back to the old forum, as it's obviously not a priority for Jonathan. He has pointed out as well that he hasn't got enough expertise to revive and clean-up the old forum.
IMHO path is quite clear: move away from this buggy motel back to a cleaner home.
Give keys of the main door to the few reputable guys around here.
Jonathan will be relieved from the burden, newcomers will get a reassuring picture, and we all will get better way of user-knowledge-sharing.
Yes, but the point I tried to make was: We asked repeatedly for the keys of he forum of Kisslicer.com, but never received them, that way we won't be able to open the door to start cleaning up.
As I understood, it's not only the database to clean up for Kisslicer.com, but to make the hosting-company to release the 'shut-down' of the forum domain as well.
As for Brett's initiative: we maybe didn't ask for it, but with only a few active members, we should be thankful and supportive for those who take initiative.
On Oct 31, 2014 3:51 AM, "PenskeGuy" <bj-g...@imperialearth.com> wrote:
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> Yes, we should, but, to call our hesitance to adopt re-inventing the wheel "rude" just rubbed the wrong way. Heck, I offered to host it a long number of months ago. Didn't go ahead on my own, because it didn't get any traction beyond a few coments, so just let it drop for perhaps a later date.
Sorry BJ, Now I understand your point. I never realized you were offering to host the site yourself a while ago, but had reasons not to yet.
It seems I have used the word 'rude' not in the right context. Apparently it has a much stronger connotation than I'm aware off. Sorry about that.
I'm a little snarky probably because of the effort/response ratio of Jonathan.
But it seems we got about the same idea how it ought to be. I hope it will turn out to all the members satisfaction.
All we need at the end is the ISP name / login / phone number and the admin login for the forum.
Bart
Sorry BJ, Now I understand your point. I never realized you were offering to host the site yourself a while ago, but had reasons not to yet.
It seems I have used the word 'rude' not in the right context. Apparently it has a much stronger connotation than I'm aware off. Sorry about that.
I'm a little snarky probably because of the effort/response ratio of Jonathan.
But it seems we got about the same idea how it ought to be. I hope it will turn out to all the members satisfaction.
All we need at the end is the ISP name / login / phone number and the admin login for the forum.
Please forgive me but I wonder why there is no KISSlicer section on forums.reprap.org? Slic3r and Skeinforge have a section so it feels logical KISSlicer should have a spot there too. It would surely add good exposure to KISSlicer.
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On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:31:30 PM UTC-7, funBart wrote:Sorry BJ, Now I understand your point. I never realized you were offering to host the site yourself a while ago, but had reasons not to yet.
It seems I have used the word 'rude' not in the right context. Apparently it has a much stronger connotation than I'm aware off. Sorry about that.
No problem. We can always talk. :-)
I'm a little snarky probably because of the effort/response ratio of Jonathan.
I hear that!
But it seems we got about the same idea how it ought to be. I hope it will turn out to all the members satisfaction.
Yes. Me, too.
All we need at the end is the ISP name / login / phone number and the admin login for the forum.
--When I tried to contact the ISP/NOC: 1&1 where the domain is hosted, so that we could keep things running, I got a response that said that they didn't host the domain; even though that's what whois reports. Not getting anyone there to assist, I gave up.
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It wasn't meant to be a deadline for Jonathan, but for us ;-)
Just go use the forum. if anyone else wants to put up a forum then deal with it at that time. Jon can put up an official forum at some point if he wants to and the two will work together in a positive way.
Thanks Brett.I suggest we copy the 'alive topics' to Kisslicertalk. In the meanwhile, I lock the topics at the Refugee Camp and change the welcome message to point everyone to the new site as well.I was planning to open the Google Group after that as well, so there is no need to become a member to view the content.Brett, are you Canadian or American?Bart
2014-11-07 19:04 GMT+01:00 Davide Ardizzoia <ardizzo...@gmail.com>:
IMHO,
all it takes now it's Jonathan to change the link on his webpage(s): newcomers will get an "official" entry point, yet Plexxus will be able to volunteer and mantain site (with the help of willing people around here).
Plexxus: virtual beer paid!
Best Regards
Davide Ardizzoia
Il giorno venerdì 7 novembre 2014 16:33:19 UTC+1, plexuss ha scritto:Kisslicertalk.com is now active and anyone that wants to make an account and start posting feel free to do so. there is no need to wait for a real forum to come about. and if there is an "official" forum, then great. the more the merrier. if kisslicertalk.com doesn't appeal to anyone that will be reflected in the lack of posting and so be it. enjoy.I have implemented recaptcha to keep spam down. I also deleted some spam and spam users. if the forum becomes active I will add people as mods to help with spam etc. we'll talk about how that will happen (nomination, obvious people, etc). also i would want to give a couple people the "keys" to the forum so that it's not tied to one person (me). this may be tricky but I am sure we can figure it out.It doesn't really matter where the forum lives. jon can have his own forum or whatever he feels is appropriate from an "official" standpoint. but we need a more effective way to share and communicate as end users. having a discrete forum is not a bad thing. anything that helps people and is useful is a good thing. I don't think there is any need to argue about it really.When I started printrbottalk.com there was some grumbling about it not being "official". in the end, PB themselves put customer support as a low priority especially in the beginning. this makes sense because with limited resources you want to put more effort on fulfilling orders in a timely fashion with a quality product. eventually PB saw that PBtalk was the go-to place for end user help. we had discussions about how to fold PBtalk into PB officially but I think in the end PB realized that it was better to have other people do the work and really PBtalk was only helping PB be successful. I pretty much expect the same thing will happen with kisslicertalk.com if people start using. KISStalk!
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What you call good etiquette doesn't make any more sense to him than his computer algorithms do to you
Jonathan does a great job with his software.
he owes us nothing. he has no responsibility to anything he doesn't care to take responsibility for.
it makes sense that a forum or whatever is not a priority for him - it wouldn't be for me if I was a dev. my priority would be the software. it seems to me that Jonathan is most engaged when he is solving problems and bugs in his software. thats what makes him a good dev and makes Kisslicer so good.