Re: Regarding Sadaputa Prabhu's departure:
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Melanie Nagel
Jan 15, 2013, 1:41:56 PM1/15/13
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Hare Krishna: The uninformed speculation going out on this Istagosthi over Sadaputa Prabhu’s untimely demise is really shocking. Please note: Shortly after his death, the family released a statement saying the cause of death was a heart attack (his father had died young of a heart attack). Had there been questionable circumstances, the legal authorities would most certainly have stepped in. After all, the Police are among the first responders to most 911 call’s, particularly when a death is involved. yrs, malati dd
Bhakta Mark
Jan 15, 2013, 3:38:36 PM1/15/13
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Well Melanie, if your cronies weren't so famously psychopathic in
their endeavors to justify and cover up their crimes both large and
small, there would be no need for speculation would there? I bet you
have expressed your "shock" at every one of those instances as well
right? Sure.
And you obviously did not read carefully, because the talk of guns was
unrelated to his death, it was only a device to define "so-called
suicides".
And when a rumor is called a rumor, it is not "uninformed".
From the timestamp on your post, it is possible that you read my
latest posting from today at 12:43pm, unless the moderator didn't
allow it through until much later. If you didn't, go ahead and point
out the misinformation as all I did was quote the testimonies of
1. the SMPDC from 1997
2. Carana Renu dasi
3. Sivarama Swami
And then drew my own speculative hypothesis from there. Every thing
Iskcon does deserves to be investigated. Any untimely death deserves
to be scrutinized and hypothesized about. You want to play pirate,
get ready to walk the plank.
You want to actually quell the well meaning concerns of people who are
100 times bitten, 100 times shy? Who are performing an analysis of a
questionable situation, which naturally involves some speculation?
Provide more evidence then "the family released a statement". Who is
"the family" name names.
Platitudes like "the authorities would have stepped in" are wasted on
someone who actually lived in Alachua, and knows the depth of
corruption of the local "authorities" in LE and Judiciary.
Furthermore, anyone not living under a rock knows that inducing a
heart attack is perhaps one of THE EASIEST and least expensive "causes
of death" that can be arranged for someone you "love" to hate.
Bye now.
their endeavors to justify and cover up their crimes both large and
small, there would be no need for speculation would there? I bet you
have expressed your "shock" at every one of those instances as well
right? Sure.
And you obviously did not read carefully, because the talk of guns was
unrelated to his death, it was only a device to define "so-called
suicides".
And when a rumor is called a rumor, it is not "uninformed".
From the timestamp on your post, it is possible that you read my
latest posting from today at 12:43pm, unless the moderator didn't
allow it through until much later. If you didn't, go ahead and point
out the misinformation as all I did was quote the testimonies of
1. the SMPDC from 1997
2. Carana Renu dasi
3. Sivarama Swami
And then drew my own speculative hypothesis from there. Every thing
Iskcon does deserves to be investigated. Any untimely death deserves
to be scrutinized and hypothesized about. You want to play pirate,
get ready to walk the plank.
You want to actually quell the well meaning concerns of people who are
100 times bitten, 100 times shy? Who are performing an analysis of a
questionable situation, which naturally involves some speculation?
Provide more evidence then "the family released a statement". Who is
"the family" name names.
Platitudes like "the authorities would have stepped in" are wasted on
someone who actually lived in Alachua, and knows the depth of
corruption of the local "authorities" in LE and Judiciary.
Furthermore, anyone not living under a rock knows that inducing a
heart attack is perhaps one of THE EASIEST and least expensive "causes
of death" that can be arranged for someone you "love" to hate.
Bye now.
Pratyatosa
Jul 4, 2014, 10:19:14 AM7/4/14
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Dear Bhakta Mark Prabhu, the information that you have brought to our attention on:
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me to fit the description of a psychopath!
In one of her screaming "conversations" with me in late 1996, she expressed pride that Brazilian Jews, such as herself, are even "heavier" than New York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me to fit the description of a psychopath!
In one of her screaming "conversations" with me in late 1996, she expressed pride that Brazilian Jews, such as herself, are even "heavier" than New York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
Bhakta Mark
Jan 15, 2013, 4:55:21 PM1/15/13
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Oh, sorry, I only saw the name Melanie Nagel. I didn't see that she
signed Malati dd. I should have addressed her by that name.
Now that I know who she is.
There is more to say on this "women are always innocent" rule.
It means when you come upon a woman making a mistake, you consider her
naively misled and automatically forgive her. And then inform her of
her mistake and give her a second chance. And if she is being
overlorded by some more powerful man, you consider that being of the
weaker sex, all the sins she commits are done to save her body from
death just like a child would. In which case you gauge whether she is
capable of reform, and if so try to extricate her from her abusive
relationship and give her shelter.
This rule is not license, as some people seem to think, to allow some
uppity woman to repeatedly shove crap in your face while telling you
it is good for your complexion.
Putana like souls who inhabit women's bodies love to take advantage of
men of weak sentiment, putting on a woe as me face one minute, then
laughing behind their backs while enjoying the fruits of an ill gotten
manly position.
I get the sense this soul is such a double agent, and that is not just
"speculation".
And as far as making my case, who am I making it to? I am just
exercising my brain here, no one with any authority will ever follow
up on my speculative ramblings. And if someone SERIOUS were to by
happenstance, they would not discount any facts I may have dredged up
due to a perceived formal disrespect of a woman.
Of course, you may be planning to utilize my findings to bring to your
friends in the GBC or someone who is looking to create some leverage
against someone for some reason, and wish to present me as a credible
devotee. Sorry to disappoint you. LOL. I plead the 5th on that. Do
as you will, but don't expect me to play along precisely. I can't
stand Feminazis, and am not at the point of being able to offer
respect out of formality to my enemies. Maybe next lifetime.
That aside,
Sounds to me like this wife of Sadaputa you met was a real charmer.
Did Padmagarba das ever tell you what one of the local P.V. ACBSP
"Jewish first" mataji disciples blurted to him once in a fit of
prideful rage? (notice I didn't name her) She said (paraphrased). "
We are always JEWS FIRST!"
Anyway, this whole affair is so sordid, it is making me a bit ill to
keep talking about it. Believe it or not I HATE POLITICAL INTRIGUE.
Just because I can perceive it does not mean I enjoy rubbing my nose
in it, nor contemplating the foul fiendish characters who revel in
it. Especially Feminazis and Male Pedophile tyrants. YUCK PUKE
SPIT. Time for a bath.
Hare Krsna
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
On Jan 15, 4:22 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bhakta Mark Prabhu, the information that you have brought to our
> attention on:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
>
> ... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a
> senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does
> not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
>
> One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
>
> In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her
> "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa
> Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me
> to fit the description of a psychopath!
>
> In one her screaming "conversations" with me in late 1996, she expressed
signed Malati dd. I should have addressed her by that name.
Now that I know who she is.
There is more to say on this "women are always innocent" rule.
It means when you come upon a woman making a mistake, you consider her
naively misled and automatically forgive her. And then inform her of
her mistake and give her a second chance. And if she is being
overlorded by some more powerful man, you consider that being of the
weaker sex, all the sins she commits are done to save her body from
death just like a child would. In which case you gauge whether she is
capable of reform, and if so try to extricate her from her abusive
relationship and give her shelter.
This rule is not license, as some people seem to think, to allow some
uppity woman to repeatedly shove crap in your face while telling you
it is good for your complexion.
Putana like souls who inhabit women's bodies love to take advantage of
men of weak sentiment, putting on a woe as me face one minute, then
laughing behind their backs while enjoying the fruits of an ill gotten
manly position.
I get the sense this soul is such a double agent, and that is not just
"speculation".
And as far as making my case, who am I making it to? I am just
exercising my brain here, no one with any authority will ever follow
up on my speculative ramblings. And if someone SERIOUS were to by
happenstance, they would not discount any facts I may have dredged up
due to a perceived formal disrespect of a woman.
Of course, you may be planning to utilize my findings to bring to your
friends in the GBC or someone who is looking to create some leverage
against someone for some reason, and wish to present me as a credible
devotee. Sorry to disappoint you. LOL. I plead the 5th on that. Do
as you will, but don't expect me to play along precisely. I can't
stand Feminazis, and am not at the point of being able to offer
respect out of formality to my enemies. Maybe next lifetime.
That aside,
Sounds to me like this wife of Sadaputa you met was a real charmer.
Did Padmagarba das ever tell you what one of the local P.V. ACBSP
"Jewish first" mataji disciples blurted to him once in a fit of
prideful rage? (notice I didn't name her) She said (paraphrased). "
We are always JEWS FIRST!"
Anyway, this whole affair is so sordid, it is making me a bit ill to
keep talking about it. Believe it or not I HATE POLITICAL INTRIGUE.
Just because I can perceive it does not mean I enjoy rubbing my nose
in it, nor contemplating the foul fiendish characters who revel in
it. Especially Feminazis and Male Pedophile tyrants. YUCK PUKE
SPIT. Time for a bath.
Hare Krsna
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
On Jan 15, 4:22 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bhakta Mark Prabhu, the information that you have brought to our
> attention on:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
>
> ... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a
> senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does
> not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
>
> One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
>
> In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her
> "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa
> Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me
> to fit the description of a psychopath!
>
> pride that Brazilian Jews, such as herself, are even "heavier" than New
> York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
>
> Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
>
> Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
>
>
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>
>
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>
Mario Pineda
Jan 16, 2013, 1:46:55 AM1/16/13
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Hare Krishna. For a person with a weak heart, I have read or heard, that it only takes inhaling a particular element in the air to cause a heart attack. This element is known to trigger heart attacks in those with a cardiac condition. Gaura Govinda Maharaja may have also been a victim of such element. Many think he was also murdered, including or perhaps most, his close followers.
MD
MD
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Melanie Nagel <malat...@aol.com> wrote:
Hare Krishna: The uninformed speculation going out on this Istagosthi over Sadaputa Prabhu’s untimely demise is really shocking. Please note: Shortly after his death, the family released a statement saying the cause of death was a heart attack (his father had died young of a heart attack). Had there been questionable circumstances, the legal authorities would most certainly have stepped in. After all, the Police are among the first responders to most 911 call’s, particularly when a death is involved. yrs, malati dd
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Ron P Conroy
Jan 16, 2013, 6:09:24 AM1/16/13
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I am interested to see Sadaputa prabhu's 13 page description of the chandelier that was to hang from the dome, and any other of his studies on completing the vedic planetarium.
satyahit das ...
On 15 January 2013 13:41, Melanie Nagel <malat...@aol.com> wrote:
Hare Krishna: The uninformed speculation going out on this Istagosthi over Sadaputa Prabhu’s untimely demise is really shocking. Please note: Shortly after his death, the family released a statement saying the cause of death was a heart attack (his father had died young of a heart attack). Had there been questionable circumstances, the legal authorities would most certainly have stepped in. After all, the Police are among the first responders to most 911 call’s, particularly when a death is involved. yrs, malati dd
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Bhakta Mark
Jan 17, 2013, 12:42:10 PM1/17/13
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You might be on to something Pratyatosa das.
According to Satyahit das
"I was shocked to see on the credits of Sadaputa's CD ROM explaining
the Vedic nature of the universe, the credit for translating the
sanskrit was given to one of the original infamous iskcon guru's,
Hrydayananda swami. And Srila Prabhupada is not even mentioned
although it was he, Srila Prabhupada, who translated the 5th canto of
the Srimad Bhagavatam! "
https://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/aad460f9909e532f?hl=en
On Jan 15, 4:22 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bhakta Mark Prabhu, the information that you have brought to our
> attention on:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
>
> ... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a
> senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does
> not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
>
> One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
>
> In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her
> "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa
> Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me
> to fit the description of a psychopath!
>
> In one her screaming "conversations" with me in late 1996, she expressed
> pride that Brazilian Jews, such as herself, are even "heavier" than New
> York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
>
> Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Bhakta Mark <markmac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to Satyahit das
"I was shocked to see on the credits of Sadaputa's CD ROM explaining
the Vedic nature of the universe, the credit for translating the
sanskrit was given to one of the original infamous iskcon guru's,
Hrydayananda swami. And Srila Prabhupada is not even mentioned
although it was he, Srila Prabhupada, who translated the 5th canto of
the Srimad Bhagavatam! "
https://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/aad460f9909e532f?hl=en
On Jan 15, 4:22 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bhakta Mark Prabhu, the information that you have brought to our
> attention on:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/a4e1866cbb41678e
>
> ... is extremely interesting, but disrespecting a woman, especially a
> senior Vaisnava woman such as ISKCON GBC member Mother Malati Prabhu, does
> not strengthen your case, but only weakens it.
>
> One key fact we need to know is "Did Sadaputa's wife have an alibi?"
>
> In view of her improper or even possibly illicit relationship with her
> "guru," Hridayananada "Swami," prior to her successfully seducing Sadaputa
> Prabhu, she is certainly a prime suspect, especially since she seemed to me
> to fit the description of a psychopath!
>
> In one her screaming "conversations" with me in late 1996, she expressed
> pride that Brazilian Jews, such as herself, are even "heavier" than New
> York City Jews, such as my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi!
>
> Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Bhakta Mark <markmac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pratyatosa
Jan 17, 2013, 1:02:54 PM1/17/13
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Astute observation, Bhakta Mark Prabhu. I hadn't picked up on that. "There's something rotten in Denmark."
According to:
http://fathersforlife.org/fv/fbi_spousal_murder_stats.htm
... "3 percent of the male [murder] victims were slain by wives or girlfriends."
3% of all murders of males is certainly nothing to sneeze at.
Ys, Ptd
According to:
http://fathersforlife.org/fv/fbi_spousal_murder_stats.htm
... "3 percent of the male [murder] victims were slain by wives or girlfriends."
3% of all murders of males is certainly nothing to sneeze at.
Ys, Ptd
Marc Sainte-Marie
Jul 4, 2015, 11:00:27 PM7/4/15
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Great show Mark, right on the money, some dont know Malati history, and regarding GBC.... well lets pass. Pure nonesense naive reasoning she posted, those crooks are expert at being shocked.... disgusting!
Pratyatosa
May 5, 2017, 10:02:17 PM5/5/17
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Nityananda Dasa's high quality video about Srila Prabhupada's possibly having been poisoned, has also sparked some renewed interest in Sadaputa's untimely death.
tim lee
May 5, 2017, 11:29:23 PM5/5/17
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Story I heard was there was a love triangle, and he was tasered in the pool, which would leave no marks? I dunno, but it is suspicious.
Nityananda Dasa's high quality video about Srila Prabhupada's possibly having been poisoned, has also sparked some renewed interest in Sadaputa's untimely death.
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Pratyatosa
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What happened to Sadaputa's wife? If she simply disappeared after Sadaputa's death, that would also be suspicious.
tim lee
May 6, 2017, 12:46:50 AM5/6/17
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Not sure, but she was apparently not happy because of the alleged paramour situation ...
Alex Georgiadis
May 6, 2017, 10:47:49 AM5/6/17
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This page, which was referred to by Bhakta Mark prabhu, can now only be accessed through The Wayback Machine:
On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 1:03 AM, 'tim lee' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Not sure, but she was apparently not happy because of the alleged paramour situation ...
What happened to Sadaputa's wife? If she simply disappeared after Sadaputa's death, that would also be suspicious.On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:54 PM, 'tim lee' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com> wrote:Story I heard was there was a love triangle, and he was tasered in the pool, which would leave no marks? I dunno, but it is suspicious.
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Citralekha Dasi
May 14, 2017, 10:02:38 AM5/14/17
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On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 at 3:25:21 AM UTC+5:30, Bhakta Mark wrote:
There is more to say on this "women are always innocent" rule.
You are right on that one. This is started by some softheaded men who do not understand Vedic culture. It is not as if women are always innocent and can do no wrong and that men should always take the blame. You want a little proof - just do a search on Youtube for "wives beat up husband's girl friend." The wives certainly don't think the girl involved was innocent and that the man took advantage and only he is to blame. If women were always innocent then they would be no better than animals. Animals are always innocent and do not get karmik reactions for what they do but they just wear off karma. However, women do in fact suffer karmaik reactions for their misdeeds. They must be held accountable for everything they say and do. They are not innocent, especially in this day and age when they want to feminism and egalitarianism.
Even in Manu there are specified punishments for women doing various unlawful behavior.
So I applaud you for not being a soft headed, stupid, henpecked idiot who is easily manipulated by women who try to use emotional blackmail on you.
And the next time some mangina tells you women are always innocent spit in his face at least metaphorically.
Citralekha Dasi
May 14, 2017, 10:02:39 AM5/14/17
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tim lee
May 14, 2017, 11:50:16 PM5/14/17
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The rumor I heard is that a taser gun used on a wet person in a pool will simulate a heart attack and not leave marks due to the wetness. Some devotees have said that is what happened, who knows, of course we do not usually accept the official version from Malati as a matter of course. ys pd
On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 at 12:11:56 AM UTC+5:30, Malati Devi Dasi wrote:
Hare Krishna: The uninformed speculation going out on this Istagosthi over Sadaputa Prabhu’s untimely demise is really shocking. Please note: Shortly after his death, the family released a statement saying the cause of death was a heart attack (his father had died young of a heart attack). Had there been questionable circumstances, the legal authorities would most certainly have stepped in. After all, the Police are among the first responders to most 911 call’s, particularly when a death is involved. yrs, malati dd
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