Error on Rocana's website

[Pratyatosa]

Dear Rocana Prabhu, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Your web pages:

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6417.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-12/editorials9266.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-12/editorials9209.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/vada/writings/church_of_rtvik.htm

... all quote: "This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say, 'There is no sad-guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future', is an atheistic opinion."

... and they all attribute the quote to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada. This quote was copy/pasted from a book called "True Conception of Sri Guru Tattva." According to:

http://www.purebhakti.com/events/bhakti-news-mainmenu-65/624-the-true-conception-of-sri-guru-tattva.html

... "True Conception of Sri Guru Tattva" was written by BV Narayana Maharaja, who is infamous for writing/speaking offensive nonsense.

It's common knowledge that there are huge gaps in the disciplic succession.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi>, <http://causelessmercy.com/>, <http://rtvik.com/>, <http://pratyatosa.com/>, <http://feedacow.com/>, <http://llbest.com/>

[Ron P Conroy]

so what exactly is your point Pratyatosa prabhu 

please state it 

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[Pratyatosa]

If you do a Google search for "This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break" (including the quotes), you will see that this bogus quote has been used for years by the worst of the ritvik bashers. You will also see that no member of ISKCON has stooped so low as to use this bogus quote.

They are claiming that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada said that anyone who does not accept Narayana Maharaja, Rocana Dasa, George A. Smith or Santa Claus as the new Acharya of ISKCON is an atheist! Indirectly, they are saying that he said that Srila Prabhupada is an atheist for not appointing Narayana Maharaja, Rocana Dasa, George A. Smith or Santa Claus as the successor Acharya of ISKCON!

Therefore, this concocted quote is extremely offensive!

Ys, Ptd

References:

http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/?p=32595

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/12/rocanas-web-site-mistakes-sst-and-nm.html

[Ron P Conroy]

thank you 

as we have told, through Cyavana swami , (Camp Garuda FL ), he said that after initiating for Srila Prabhupada for years on his behalf, he asked Srila Prabhupada , what do we do when you are no longer physically with us ? Srila Prabhupada said "same thing".  I told that to Rocana but he did not believe it. we see Cyavana swami weekly , the story foes not change . 

when he was told that some say , why didn't Srila Prabhupada initiate on behalf of his guru, Cyavana swami became very strongly animated explaining that Srila Prabhupada is on the level of the six goswamis, (gopis), and so fits the description of guru given in the samsara prayers we sing daily. The samsara prayer describes the spiritual nature of a true guru.   Anything less than that is not within the mood of the devotional service  program given to us, bestowed upon us, by Srila Prabhupada ..That is why over 50% of Srila Prabhupada's disciples left iskcon when the cheater guru's took over the hare krsna movement. The mood was no longer Srila Prabhupada's . The original infamous 11 bogus zonal acharya's could easily have continued initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, and still they would have remained in control and still taken some adoration, but that was not enough for them.  They were compelled to take on the post of full guru on the level of Srila Prabhupada and they demanded worship of themselves on the same level as was,and still does,  Srila Prabhupada receive. 

They even went so far as to demand the same exalted level of worship from their own  god brothers and sisters, which was a brand new height of ignorance, greed, and perverted lust, thus assisting Kali in bringing down real religion.  At that time these 11 became the promoters of anti religious principles by demanding worship of regular  conditioned souls.. They became friends of Kali instead of Krsna. 

                   I was shocked to see the credits on Sadaputa's CD ROM explaining the vedic nature of the universe . The credit for translating sanskrit was given to one of the original infamous iskcon guru's ,Hrydayananda swami, and Srila Prabhupada is not even mentioned although it was he, Srila Prabhupada, who translated the 5th canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam!  HG, once said to the assembled devotee's ,"i'll take what ever i can get", and he sure did. I personally listened to him say on tape that Pradyumna prabhu is a demon for writing his famous letter to Satsvarupa g.  At Saranagati BC during a meeting wherein 30 or so devotee's all expressed concerns to HG, he flatly denied having said so . These people are like well spoken actors on the level of ex president Bush, who are expert in saying anything that suits their personal goals . Satsvarupa g?, was found out to have had a girlfriend for many years , but still he posted himself as a guru on Srila Prabhupada's level and accepted supreme adoration as good as God.  Others, of the original 11 simply left iskcon, when they had accumulated enough money. 

Still now they are wealthy from this misdeed.. One became murdered, (stabbed to death and de capitated), by his own 

 disciple. Another died violently by crashing into a tree.  Many of us Srila Prabhupada disciples dislike these original 11 immensely for what they did after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance . Others work closely with them for material gain since they are still adored within iskcon. And then other devotee's still look up to them, those that are left, as great devotee's. 

           When intelligent persons study and examine what ocured in iskcon after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, they dismiss iskcon as being a corrupt religious institution. Now, many years later it is doing better , but still vestiges of the infamous past remain. ie worship of non fully self realized persons.                      

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