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vivekmail

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Jun 26, 2008, 8:46:54 AM6/26/08
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this flower has been named 'muchakunda'. can someone confirm?
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Neil Soares

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Jun 26, 2008, 9:00:32 AM6/26/08
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Hi Vivek,
They are the flowers of Maple Twist [Pterospermum acerofolium] locally called Kanak Champa or Muchkunda.
With regards,
Neil Soares.

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Madhuri Pejaver

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Jun 26, 2008, 9:13:32 AM6/26/08
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i feel it is correct, but other possibility is kanakchampa.
what is the size of flower/
pejaver


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> Subject: [Indiantreepix] re:muchakunda
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> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:16 PM

J.M. Garg

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Jun 26, 2008, 9:23:47 AM6/26/08
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Oh!!! Was a bit confused as the picture is of a fallen flower.
Here are the links & Data from Indiantreepix Database:
Pterospermum acerifolium (Syn. P. aceroides) Malvaceae Kanak Champa, Moochukund, Bayur tree, Dinner Plate Tree  Flowering now in Kolkata- 8/3/08- J.M.Garg. Flowering at Noida on 13.4.08- Vinod ji. It's flowering is almost over in Kolkata- 23/4/08- J.M.Garg. At Noida on 13.4.08- Vinod ji. Trees of Delhi- Flowers appear in March, with some trees still in flower at the end of April. Beautiful Trees & Shrubs of Calcutta- Flowers in early spring (Feb.- March) & continues up to early summer (Feb.- April)
Pterospermum acerifolium Pterospermum acerifolium- Kanak Champa, Moochukund, Bayur tree or Dinner Plate Tree - indiantreepix | Google Groups Plant for ID..... 21042008SV1 - indiantreepix | Google Groups http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/c2f1a5704f407127 Flowering trees in delhi--Kanak champa - indiantreepix | Google Groups


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Madhuri Pejaver

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Jun 26, 2008, 9:24:32 AM6/26/08
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kanakchampa and muchkund are two dfferent trees. muchkund flowers are smaller while kanakchampa larger. kanakchmpa has yellow colour.
scientific names i will inform
pejaver


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J.M. Garg

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Jun 26, 2008, 9:42:27 AM6/26/08
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Hi, Madhuri ji,
As you must be aware, sometimes the same common name is used for many trees & plants. In that way,
you may be right if some other plant/ tree has the same name.
As per the books like Trees of Delhi & Beautiful Trees & Shrubs of Kolkata, both Kanak Champa & Muchkund, are common names for the posted flower, in Hindi & Bengali.
 

Madhuri Pejaver

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Jun 26, 2008, 10:25:48 AM6/26/08
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what you say i accept, but related to the posted flower even me and my friend were also of the same opinion as it is the same tree . but latter when we refered the books we found that they r two different , as i receive the mail of my friend i will send you both the names.
i am little poor in remembering scientific name.
and though entire college library is at my disposal i cannot find time to go through books, as my office work ends at 9pm.
so waiting for reply from my friend
madhuri

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Madhuri Pejaver

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Jun 26, 2008, 10:32:20 AM6/26/08
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yes Gargji
Muchkund is Pterospermum suberifolium
kanakchampa is Pterospermum aserifolium
family Sterculiaceae
madhuri


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satish phadke

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Jun 26, 2008, 11:21:49 AM6/26/08
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As per Flora of Maharashtra state Dicotyledons Vol 1(BSI) Family:Sterculiaceae
Pterospermum acerifolium:Flower size 12-15 cm across Fls.Frts.:Dec.-Jun
Names:'Kanak champa', 'Karnihar', 'Karnikar', 'Muchkund'  (Muchkund in Marathi);

Pterospermum xylocarpum :Flower size is 5 cm across Fls.Frts.:Dec-Feb.
Syn.Pterospermum suberifolium.Pterospermum heyneaum. No local name mentioned.

Local names are used for a wide range of spectrum of flowers which even range across the families so no point in discussing them to a large extent. Even the names are different according to region and language.That is the reason botanical nomenclature is important.Though one must know the local name in his or her region.
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J.M. Garg

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Jun 26, 2008, 12:25:02 PM6/26/08
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I think Madhuri ji also has a point as Pterospermum suberifolium is also called Muchkund in Sanskrit as per the following links:
http://chennaionline.com/columns/chennaitrees/2004/trees36.asp
but saying "kanakchampa and muchkund are two dfferent trees'' may not be appropriate with lots of common names being widely used for more than one tree.
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