Fwd: [efloraofindia:218193] Acanthaceae Fortnight: Barleria prionitis from Delhi-GSMAR07/08- 4

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

"Gurcharan ji, these are just my thoughts ...

Barleria-prionitis-flower-herbal-gard-Delhi-2 and Barleria-prionitis-Ridge-Delhi-1 seem typically B. cuspidata - the upper lip with the 4 lobes recurved to a great extent, with their lobes not ending in a point, they are blunt at their ends, and the lower lip aloof from the upper. 

In cuspidata, the corolla tube is bent (relatively more than prionitis). There are thorns at all nodes.

 

Not sure about Barleria-prionitis-Herbal-gdn-Delhi-3.

In case of B. prionitis, all the lobes seem to be equal and overlapping, the lower lip tends to overlap the adjacent upper lobes, all of them end to a point. Upper and lower lobes appear to recurve to equal extent. The corolla tube is not as bent as in B. cuspidata ... the tube looks fairly straight.

Let us wait for validations; my observations are not scientific.

I hope Shrikant ji helps here.

Regards.

Dinesh"

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Date: 16 March 2015 at 22:33
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:218193] Acanthaceae Fortnight: Barleria prionitis from Delhi-GSMAR07/08
To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Shrikant Ingalhalikar <shrikant.i...@gmail.com>

A 4th one from Ridge in March

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Third population from Ridge  16 November

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is second from Herbal Garden clicked in April

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Dinesh ji

I have three distinct populations in my collection, but not able to fix them. This is the first one from Herbal Garden photographed on November 10. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please ignore the truncated line * looks to be B. cuspidata *.

Regards.

Dinesh

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gurcharan ji, these are just my thoughts ...

Barleria-prionitis-flower-herbal-gard-Delhi-2 and Barleria-prionitis-Ridge-Delhi-1 seem typically B. cuspidata - the upper lip with the 4 lobes recurved to a great extent, with their lobes not ending in a point, they are blunt at their ends, and the lower lip aloof from the upper. 

In cuspidata, the corolla tube is bent (relatively more than prionitis). There are thorns at all nodes.

 looks to be B. cuspidata.

Not sure about Barleria-prionitis-Herbal-gdn-Delhi-3.

In case of B. prionitis, all the lobes seem to be equal and overlapping, the lower lip tends to overlap the adjacent upper lobes, all of them end to a point. Upper and lower lobes appear to recurve to equal extent. The corolla tube is not as bent as in B. cuspidata ... the tube looks fairly straight.

Let us wait for validations; my observations are not scientific.

I hope Shrikant ji helps here.

Regards.

Dinesh

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

Barleria prionitis L., Sp. Pl. 636 1753.

syn: Barleria coriacea Oberm.; Barleria echinata St.-Lag.; Barleria spicata Roxb.

A bushy prickly shrub with 3-4 spines in leaf axils; leaves elliptic-ovate, up to 10 cm long, tapering at ends; flowers orange-yellow in terminal spikes; calyx spine-tipped. Photographed from Herbal garden, Rajouri Garden and Ridge in Delhi. 

Common name: porcupine-flower 

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Distributed as Barleria prionitis ?

Thanks Dinesh ji for prompting me for re-look. When in doubt I always fall back on FBI. Though two species B. prionitis and B. cuspidata look similar, the deciding factor is leaves subsessile narrowly oblong lanceolate, not more than 8 mm broad in B. cuspidata; distinctly petiolate (petiole 12-25 mm long), elliptic, 2-4 cm broad; Also bracts of B. cuspidata are narrowly lanceolate smaller; larger, foliaceous and elliptic in B. prionitis. This clearly identifies my plant with B. prionitis. They are corroborated by images at Flowers of India.

This image of same population should help further.

Group discussion at

Fwd: [efloraofindia:218193] Acanthaceae Fortnight: Barleria prionitis from Delhi-GSMAR07/08- 4 (google.com)  

[Gurcharan Singh]

Distributed as Barleria prionitis ?

Thanks Dinesh ji for prompting me for re-look. When in doubt I always fall back on FBI. Though two species B. prionitis and B. cuspidata look similar, the deciding factor is leaves subsessile narrowly oblong lanceolate, not more than 8 mm broad in B. cuspidata; distinctly petiolate (petiole 12-25 mm long), elliptic, 2-4 cm broad; Also bracts of B. cuspidata are narrowly lanceolate smaller; larger, foliaceous and elliptic in B. prionitis. This clearly identifies my plant with B. prionitis. They are corroborated by images at Flowers of India.

This image of same population should help further.

Group discussion at

Fwd: [efloraofindia:218193] Acanthaceae Fortnight: Barleria prionitis from Delhi-GSMAR07/08- 4 (google.com)  

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Date: Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 1:23:41 PM UTC+5:30
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:218193] Acanthaceae Fortnight: Barleria prionitis from Delhi-GSMAR07/08- 4
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>

[Dinesh Valke]

Yes Guracharan ji, I agree with your thoughts.

I have always got confused between the two species !

Regards.

Dinesh