Ornamental Plant For ID : Small White Flowers : Mumbai : 05JUN15 : AK-2 : 02/02

[Aarti S. Khale]

Cultivated plant with small white flowers seen in a garden.

Aarti 

[Mahadeswara]

Flowers have a resemblance to Cerbera .

[Aarti S. Khale]

Mahadeswara Ji,

Yes, but much smaller in size.

Does look like from the Apocynaceae family.  

Regards,

Aarti

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Flowers have a resemblance to Cerbera- from Mahadeswara ji.

Yes, but much smaller in size. Does look like from the Apocynaceae family.   Regards, Aarti

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Thanks, Nagesh ji.

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From: Dr.Nagesh Tekale
Date: 11 June 2015 at 18:41
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:225513] Ornamental Plant For ID : Small White Flowers : Mumbai : 05JUN15 : AK-2 : 02/02
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Its Apocynaceae member.Considering leaf characters it appears to be Plumeria

Dr Nagesh Tekale

[Pudji Widodo]

Looks like Cerbera odollam

Pudji Widodo

[M Swamy]

Certainly not Plumeria species.

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Agfree with m swamy

from the beginning i have thought this in not plumeria

also aarti by now you know we will need side views

please provide them

and full face of the leaf

and the plant itself?

its trunk?

bark?

usha di

Usha di
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[Aarti S. Khale]

Garg Ji, Mahadeswara Ji,

Sorry for the delay in responding since I was very busy with my family and other engagements.

I agree with Mahadeswara Ji that this is not Plumeria.

Adding a few pictures taken when I revisited the place with Shubhada.

Thick dark green leaves, flowers small approx the size of Ixora.

Pudji Ji, Cerbera odollam flowers are bigger. They are known to me. It is a tree.

Aarti

[Promila Chaturvedi]

Though Dwarf Plumeria vars. have come in the market, but the branching pattern of the pant in question is totally different. so it should not be Plumeria.

Promila

[Aarti S. Khale]

Promila Ji,

No, these are not Plumeria.

I agree with Mahadeswara Ji and Pudji Ji that the flowers have a resemblance to Cerbera.

But they are smaller.

Not C. odollam or C. manghas since I am familiar with both.

Experts any other Species?

Aarti

[Ushadi Micromini]

this is now becoming a bit hilarious

and a prime example of arguments in the vacuo...

no data

no diagnosis

=

my earlier request still stands

is this plant still in your visiting area?

can you take all those few pictures I asked for?

usha di

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[surajitkoley]

Aarti Ji, a wild guess - http://www.plantillustrations.org/taxa.php?id_taxon=914&lay_out=0&hd=0&group=1

Thank you

Regards

[Aarti S. Khale]

Surajit Ji,

Thanks for the link and efforts taken.

Hope to get it identified.

Usha Di,

I fail to understand what you find hilarious.

I have added all the pictures.

Not likely to revisit the place. 

Aarti

[Ushadi Micromini]

Thank you Mr Swamy

I quote you
I endorse and support the comments by Ushadi ji."

end quote.

we have rules for id and

they are not just arbitrary rules

they are necessity

thanks again

usha di

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM, M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I endorse and support the comments by Ushadi ji.

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Usha di
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[Ushadi Micromini]

Aarti

I thought you would appreciate the funny side of this thread.

seems you do not.

so here it goes...

isnt it funny that there is an  on going argument about a flower
 whose size we dont know, whose leaves we cant see fully
and inflorescence is not seen.  And the habit of the plant or tree???

Promilaji gave gave a viable alternative. 
( and its true there are many dwarf plumerias now in the market)

that was not to be in your liking, so you pooed it

how do you know its not, then show us.

Pudiji and Swamyji gave you some ids

those were not to your liking

show us the measurements then.

you can only have an upper hand of not liking some diagnosis if you have

taken care to do all that is necessary to id something that you submit

otherwise its either junk

or its  funny

take your pick

you are experienced and senior in this group

 by now you know what's needed

after your california picture series

i though you would have known  how long drawn a process
becomes if you only have one or two features of an unknown... 

take a few more pictures from now on

be well

usha di

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[surajit koley]

Dear Aarti Ji, from your description I find, "Thick dark green leaves, flowers small approx the size of Ixora.."

In attached photographs I find leaves are possibly opposite-decussate... etc.

Now, Ixora flower sizes vary significantly in various spp., and both Plumeria & Cerbera have alternate leaves (as per FoC). In fact, unlike Rubiaceae members, limited number of Apocynaceae shrub (or tree) have decussate leaves.

I hope you went through description(s) of Acokanthera before rejecting it. I am getting very very interested to know the id of this species......!

Thank you

Regards

surajit koley

a non-botanist member of

efloraofIndia google group

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Aarti S. Khale <aarti...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Apocynaceae member- Mumbai

Group discussion at

Ornamental Plant For ID : Small White Flowers : Mumbai : 05JUN15 : AK-2 : 02/02 (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Apocynaceae member- Mumbai

Group discussion at

Ornamental Plant For ID : Small White Flowers : Mumbai : 05JUN15 : AK-2 : 02/02 (google.com)

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From: Aarti S. Khale <aarti...@gmail.com>

[Aarti S. Khale]

Gurcharan Ji,

Surajit Ji had suggested Acokanthera.

Acokanthera oppositifolia seems correct to me.

http://www.flowersinisrael.com/exoticAcokantheraoppositifolia_page.htm

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Poison%20Bush.html

Regards,

Aarti

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