Plants from Northeast Tour 2017- Emilia for specific id, Cherrapunji

[Nidhan Singh]

Dear All,

Please help to identify this Emilia species, recorded from Meghalaya..

This may be same as Earlier Upload by Karuna Ji

Inputs requested..

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Dr. Nidhan Singh

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Nidhan ji. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Durgesh ji.

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From: Durgesh Verma
Date: 19 August 2017 at 21:58
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:274515] Plants from Northeast Tour 2017- Emilia for specific id, Cherrapunji
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emilia sonchifolia

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Durgesh Verma
Botanical Survey of India, 

NRC, Dehradun (Uttarakhand) India.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Prem ji.

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From: prem prakash Singh
Date: 20 August 2017 at 12:42
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:274515] Plants from Northeast Tour 2017- Emilia for specific id, Cherrapunji
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Please Check Emilia sonchifolia Sir

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:37 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Department of Botany,
North-Eastern Hill University,
Mawlai Umshing Mawkynroh,
Shillong-793022
East Khasi Hills District,
Meghalaya, India

[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks Garg Ji for forwarding, thanks to Prem Ji and Durgesh Ji for their opinion...

But I am sure this cannot be Emilia sonchifolia

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Nidhan ji. 

[D.S Rawat]

Eight species of Emilia are known in India as per BSI document.
E. alstonii (Karnataka)
E. exserta (Karnataka)
E. javanica (Eastern, Northern, North East and Peninsular India)
E. prenanthoidea (Eastern Himalaya and NE India)
E. ramulosa (SW Ghats)
E. scabra (NE & Paninsular India)
E. sonchifolia (Throughout India)
E. zeylanica (NE & Peninsular India).

But this species is quite interesting with no petiolate radical leaves and almost entire cauline leaves. A difficult one (due to morphological variation) or something new?
Expert opinion is needed.

DSRawat Pantnagar

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rawat ji.

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

emilia sonchifolia - from Durgesh ji

Please Check Emilia sonchifolia - from Prem ji

Thanks Garg Ji for forwarding, thanks to Prem Ji and Durgesh Ji for their opinion...

But I am sure this cannot be Emilia sonchifolia -from Nidhan ji

Eight species of Emilia are known in India as per BSI document. E. alstonii (Karnataka) E. exserta (Karnataka) E. javanica (Eastern, Northern, North East and Peninsular India) E. prenanthoidea (Eastern Himalaya and NE India) E. ramulosa (SW Ghats) E. scabra (NE & Paninsular India) E. sonchifolia (Throughout India) E. zeylanica (NE & Peninsular India). But this species is quite interesting with no petiolate radical leaves and almost entire cauline leaves. A difficult one (due to morphological variation) or something new? Expert opinion is needed.

- from Rawat ji

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Emilia species- Meghalaya

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Emilia species- Meghalaya

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Emilia prenanthoidea DC. !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[surajitno...@gmail.com]

Emilia prenanthoidea DC. and Emilia zeylanica C.B.Clarke are difficult to differentiate.

In this particular case presence of hairs on leaves are point of concern (in both cases).

As per https://doi.org/10.2307/4111637

• involucral bracts about 10 equalling the flowers = pernanthoides
• involucral bracts about 1/2 as long as the flowers = zeylanica

I think it would be E. zeylanica C.B. Clarke

[surajit koley]

Please read  "In this particular case presence of so much hairs on leaves are point of concern (in both cases)."

in place of " In this particular case presence of hairs on leaves are point of concern (in both cases)."

Thank you

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji and Surajit ji.

I think it more closer to Emilia prenanthoidea (phyllaries 10 as per Flora of China). Pl. see long phillaries as per GBIF- specimen. (Involucres cylindric or narrowly campanulate, 6-11 × 2-3 mm; phyllaries 10, oblong, 6-12 × 1-2 mm, shorter than florets, glabrous, margin scarious).

I did not find the description of Emilia zeylanica on net, but phyllaries appears to be less and short as per POWO and GBIF- specimen. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

Thanks Sir ji, I think I should retire.

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley

[surajit koley]

"Thanks, Saroj ji and Surajit ji.

I think it more closer to Emilia prenanthoidea (phyllaries 10 as per Flora of China). Pl. see long phillaries as per GBIF- specimen. (Involucres cylindric or narrowly campanulate, 6-11 × 2-3 mm; phyllaries 10, oblong, 6-12 × 1-2 mm, shorter than florets, glabrous, margin scarious)."

• This specimen of E. prenanthoidea, from Meghalaya, India, clearly shows phyllaries, except in one flower almost equal to flowers - https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1988984976
• In the uploaded pictures some hair can be seen on phyllaries !!! But I agree that it is ignorable because modern lenses can capture fine hairs on totally bald men heads too :-D

"I did not find the description of Emilia zeylanica on net, but phyllaries appears to be less and short as per POWO and GBIF- specimen. "

• As per FBI both spp are almost identical - I agree that is outdated literature
• You cannot say "...  phyllaries appears to be less and short..." = did anybody count them? did anybody take measurements?
• Attached here is a screenshot, with modification, of the GBIF plate you referred in your above statement of E. zeylanica.

Yet, I subscribe to your and Saroj ji's suggestion, only because of the location of the specimen, not on a single point of your analysis.

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley