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M Sawmliana

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Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road
Date : 24/06/2015
Habit : Herb
Habitat : Wild in the forests


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This is for Identification

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Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road (North East India)

Date : 24/06/2015
Habit : Herb
Habitat : Wild in the forests


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Calla lily    . Could be  a species of   Zantedeschia  ( Zantedeschia aethiopica ?)

surajit koley

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Jul 3, 2015, 12:53:08 PM7/3/15
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I am unable to identify it. Please upload details of open spadix as in - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/sHHRMo8ZpaM/6rIrgQdWVzcJ

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Jul 8, 2015, 6:22:42 AM7/8/15
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Calla lily. Could be a species of Zantedeschia (Zantedeschia aethiopica ?) - from Mahadeswara ji.

I am unable to identify it. Please upload details of open spadix as in - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/sHHRMo8ZpaM/6rIrgQdWVzcJ

Thank you
Regards
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Colocasia esculenta ?

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I think looks different from Colocasia esculenta

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Apr 24, 2021, 7:09:13 AM4/24/21
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Hi, Sawmliana ji,
Could you identify it ?

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Apr 24, 2021, 8:27:01 AM4/24/21
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Thanks, Sawmliana ji


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Alocasia acuminata ?

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Apr 29, 2021, 12:19:55 PM4/29/21
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Inflorescence looks different as per images at IAS
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May 4, 2021, 11:20:13 AM5/4/21
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Calla lily. Could be a species of Zantedeschia (Zantedeschia aethiopica ?) - from Mahadeswara ji.

I am unable to identify it. Please upload details of open spadix as in - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/sHHRMo8ZpaM/6rIrgQdWVzcJ
Thank you
Regards
surajit koley 
Colocasia esculenta ?
Thank you

Saroj Kasaju 

I think looks different from Colocasia esculenta- from me 

Alocasia acuminata ?- from Sawmliana ji 

Inflorescence looks different as per images at IAS- from me 

 

 


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surajit koley

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May 7, 2021, 8:50:39 AM5/7/21
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I think, it would be Alocasia fallax Schott - http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84167-1 and https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901
The species is confined in Sikkim Himalaya and Khasia, as per F-B-I.
Unfortunately, neither the F-B-I nor the internet provides me details on flower/spadix.
As per F-B-I, vol-6, page 527, the species should be near A. decipiens & A. fornicata.

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J.M. Garg

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May 12, 2021, 11:58:22 AM5/12/21
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I am not convinced about it being Alocasia fallax as per GBIF specimens or Alocasia decipiens as per GBIF
What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be seen in GBIF specimens of Alocasia fornicata at one, two, three, four, five, six. It also have distribution in the area as per POWO.
However, I am not sure. 
Pl. confirm or otherwise. 

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surajit koley

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May 12, 2021, 9:46:59 PM5/12/21
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Please send me the flower to examine physically.


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May 13, 2021, 11:01:36 AM5/13/21
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Dear Sawmliana ji,
I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no expert on Alocasia or Colocasia, I am here too to learn something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of A. fornicata look like. And I believe that identification based on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of Alocasia or Colocasia.

I have doubt if your plant can be Alocasia fornicata - flowers are not like the ones I see here.- (a) floral chamber and spathe appear to be narrower and more elongated in your species, (b) spadix is different.
I do not know if the above characters can be regional variation.
I attach here description of Alocasia fornicata from the booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa".
Also attached an edited picture for your perusal, along with other pictures (one immature flower and the other mature) of Alocasia fornicata flower that I recorded.

And KEY is there in a private mail for certain spp of Alocasia.

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surajit koley

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May 14, 2021, 3:12:30 AM5/14/21
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I would like to add one more point - I never came across any such phrase that "shiny leaf means Alocasia."


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J.M. Garg

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May 19, 2021, 6:43:19 AM5/19/21
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I think it may be some Remusatia species as per comparative images herein, mostly Remusatia hookeriana Schott as per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys, FoC illustrations- one, two, three and GBIF specimens - one, two, three, four
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surajit koley

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May 19, 2021, 11:35:48 AM5/19/21
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I am not acquainted with this genus, Sir ji.
Yet, I do not think it can be Remusatia hookeriana -(1) as per Fl.Br.Ind., spathe max 2.5 inch, / 7 cm max.- FoC) (2) spadix max. 11+7+9 = 27 mm = 1 inch approx (check FoC).
The spadix in this thread looks much longer, though actual size can only be verified by Sawmliana ji.


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May 19, 2021, 12:18:29 PM5/19/21
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
To me relative size of spathe, ovule and leaves appears to be OK. Actually close up images (making them look appear large) has confused us, into thinking this to be an Alocasia.

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surajit koley

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May 19, 2021, 12:39:36 PM5/19/21
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Yes, Sir ji, photographic illusions are quite possible.


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May 19, 2021, 12:51:50 PM5/19/21
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Sir ji, is there any possibility of Steudnera colocasioides ? Please check the spadix athttp://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html


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May 19, 2021, 12:54:04 PM5/19/21
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I do not think so.


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May 19, 2021, 12:57:53 PM5/19/21
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Is it flower or the leaves?


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May 20, 2021, 3:34:52 AM5/20/21
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Ok Sir ji in this case you are correct -
It is not Alocasia - since its flower does not carry an appendix
It is not Steudnera - spathe is differentiated into two zones, and spadix indicates a constricted sterile zone above the floral chamber

Now, I will check, later, if it can be Colocasia - colocasia can have reduced or no appendix. Thereafter I will go to Remusatia.


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May 20, 2021, 12:20:27 PM5/20/21
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Sir ji, I fail to connect it with any Alocasia (no appendix in flower) / Colocasia / Steudnera, "Flora of China '' has to offer.

I fail to connect it to any Remusatia as well, - the exposed part of the spadix is significantly longer than the hidden part in spathe tube.

If this is the same plant as in the other thread - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c/m/3SiL9s7uDfIJ - which I think it is - then I am afraid we have to think outside Remusatia hookeriana.

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