DV :: 30MAR11 - 0611 :: Breynia / Phyllanthus species

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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 9, 2011, 2:27:40 PM4/9/11
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Dear friends,
ID please.

Shrub about 5 - 7 ft, growing in vicinity of a stream.
This plant best visualized as larger version of Breynia retusa
(cup-saucer plant).

Date/Time
: March 30, 2011 at 6.11pm IST
Location Place : outskirts of Madikeri, Karnataka ... 12.451091, 75.711816 (on Google maps ... please be patient while downloading map)
Altitude : 3597 ft (above mean sea level)


Regards.
Dinesh
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shrikant ingalhalikar

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Apr 10, 2011, 4:33:54 AM4/10/11
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Yes Dineshji, your visualization is quite close. It is B. vitis-idaea,
but you need to see the fruits to be sure. Regards, Shrikant

On Apr 9, 11:27 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> ID please.
>
> Shrub about 5 - 7 ft, growing in vicinity of a stream.
> This plant best visualized as larger version of *Breynia retusa* (cup-saucer
> plant).
>
> Date/Time : March 30, 2011 at 6.11pm IST
> Location Place : outskirts of Madikeri, Karnataka ... 12.451091, 75.711816 (on
> Google maps <http://goo.gl/maps/CLqp> ... please be patient while
> downloading map)
> Altitude : 3597 ft (above mean sea level)
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 10, 2011, 5:16:09 AM4/10/11
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Many thanks Shrikant ji for the most possible ID ... Breynia vitis-idaea

At Flowers of India http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mountain%20Coffee%20Bush.html, we have Prashant Awale's plant identified by Vijayasankar ji.

Calling Vijayasankar ji to validate my plant as Breynia vitis-idaea


Regards.
Dinesh

Vijayasankar

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Apr 12, 2011, 11:51:03 PM4/12/11
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Dinesh ji, I tend to agree with Shrikant ji's id on account of leaf shape and the length of pedicel in male flowers. But a fruiting specimen would really help to confirm the id. As you know, fruiting calyx is enlarged in B. retusa whereas it is not enlarged in B. vitis-idaea.

Sorry for the delay in response.
 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

Dinesh Valke

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Apr 13, 2011, 12:25:03 AM4/13/11
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Vijayasankar ji / Shrikant ji ... a counter-query:
Is / Are there any other species close to B. vitis-idaea ?

If B. retusa is the only closest one, then this plant is not it as per my perception ... because the flowers that are seen in the posted plant are comparatively larger ... as much as 2 - 3 times larger than that of B. retusa.

Regards.
Dinesh

Gurcharan Singh

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May 9, 2011, 8:01:02 AM5/9/11
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Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Dinesh ji......................................Shrub about 5 - 7 ft, growing in vicinity of a stream.
This plant best visualized as larger version of Breynia retusa (cup-saucer plant).

Shrikant ji....................................Yes Dineshji, your visualization is quite close. It is B. vitis-idaea,
but you need to see the fruits to be sure. Regards,

Dinesh ji.......................................At Flowers of India http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mountain%20Coffee%20Bush.html, we have Prashant Awale's plant identified by Vijayasankar ji.


Vijayasankar ji.................................Dinesh ji, I tend to agree with Shrikant ji's id on account of leaf shape and the length of pedicel in male flowers. But a fruiting specimen would really help to confirm the id. As you know, fruiting calyx is enlarged in B. retusa whereas it is not enlarged in B. vitis-idaea.

Dinesh ji......................................Vijayasankar ji / Shrikant ji ... a counter-query:
Is / Are there any other species close to B. vitis-idaea ?

If B. retusa is the only closest one, then this plant is not it as per my perception ... because the flowers that are seen in the posted plant are comparatively larger ... as much as 2 - 3 times larger than that of B. retusa.


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J.M. Garg

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Nov 15, 2013, 2:09:16 AM11/15/13
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Reply from another thread:
"Looks like Breynia vitis-idaea.
T. Chakrabarty."

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Nov 15, 2013, 2:54:45 AM11/15/13
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Without female flowers and fruits it is not possible to comment on the correct identity of the images.
T. Chakrabarty.


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Dinesh Valke

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Nov 15, 2013, 3:12:47 AM11/15/13
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Many thanks Garg ji for providing the response to this thread.

Thank you very very much Tapas ji for the clarity regarding limitation to resolve the ID of this query.
Someday when I visit Coorg again (hopefully during fruiting season of this plant), I will make it a point to go the site to get the photos.

Regards.
Dinesh

Gurcharan Singh

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Feb 27, 2021, 10:36:47 PM2/27/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Breynia vitis-idaea ? 
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Gurcharan Singh

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Feb 27, 2021, 10:37:33 PM2/27/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Breynia vitis-idaea ? 
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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Feb 28, 2021, 12:46:26 PM2/28/21
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Yes, it's Ji,
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Dinesh Valke

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Mar 1, 2021, 9:07:48 AM3/1/21
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Thank you very much Paradesi ji for validating the ID.
Many many thanks Gurcharan ji for resurfacing this very long pending query.
Regards.
Dinesh
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