Kailas Manasarovar Route::Wild flower for ID NSJ-SEP 16/19

[Narendra Joshi]

Dear All,

Wild flower for ID. Located on the arid banks of Rakshas tal, Tibet. Altitude 15000 feet. Aug 2016.

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[Nidhan Singh]

I can suggest upto family level, see in Brassicaceae..

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Nidhan ji, for pointing out the family.

It appears to be some ‎Desideria species not in efi so far?

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji

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From: "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 27 Sep 2016 05:10
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251750] Kailas Manasarovar Route::Wild flower for ID NSJ-SEP 16/19
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

Yes, Desideria is a sound suggestion as to genus (the family is Brassicaceae - formerly Cruciferae).

Sometimes it is essential to have fruits to confirm identification especially in less well-known

genera or those which are more difficult.

I knew the genus before as Ermania.

There are 4 species in the genus recorded from Ladakh, some of which no doubt occur in 'Central' Tibet

where this was found but there could easily be species not known in Ladakh.

So if it is a Desideria:

We can rule out Desideria (Ermania) himalayensis as the foliage is completely different - fleshy oval, toothed leaves

& small lilac flowers.

Also, D.pumila.

Desideria linearis is, according to Stewart, distinguished by small flowers, second (meaning one side of an axis) racemes

and linear silicules. It is recorded from Tibet.

Desideria stewartii is found from 3900-4950m, so this is promising altitude-wise - there is an image of this

in the Kew herbarium but cannot access it at the right size to assess it.

That is the best I can do at this point - and as mentioned, there may be other species to consider.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

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Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251750] Kailas Manasarovar Route::Wild flower for ID NSJ-SEP 16/19

Thanks, Nidhan ji, for pointing out the family.

It appears to be some ‎Desideria species not in efi so far?

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Date: 20 September 2016 at 22:41
Subject: [efloraofindia:251750] Kailas Manasarovar Route::Wild flower for ID NSJ-SEP 16/19
To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Dear All,

Wild flower for ID. Located on the arid banks of Rakshas tal, Tibet. Altitude 15000 feet. Aug 2016.

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With Regards,
Narendra Joshi

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[Narendra Joshi]

Thanks Garg ji.

Joshi

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I can suggest upto family level, see in Brassicaceae.. -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan Singh

Thanks, Nidhan ji, for pointing out the family.

It appears to be some ‎Desideria species not in efi so far? - from me

Yes, Desideria is a sound suggestion as to genus (the family is Brassicaceae - formerly Cruciferae). Sometimes it is essential to have fruits to confirm identification especially in less well-known genera or those which are more difficult. I knew the genus before as Ermania. There are 4 species in the genus recorded from Ladakh, some of which no doubt occur in 'Central' Tibet where this was found but there could easily be species not known in Ladakh. So if it is a Desideria: We can rule out Desideria (Ermania) himalayensis as the foliage is completely different - fleshy oval, toothed leaves & small lilac flowers. Also, D.pumila. Desideria linearis is, according to Stewart, distinguished by small flowers, second (meaning one side of an axis) racemes and linear silicules. It is recorded from Tibet. Desideria stewartii is found from 3900-4950m, so this is promising altitude-wise - there is an image of this in the Kew herbarium but cannot access it at the right size to assess it. That is the best I can do at this point - and as mentioned, there may be other species to consider. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Desideria species- on the arid banks of Rakshas Tal, Tibet

I hope  Solms-laubachia albiflora (T.Anderson) D.A.German & Al-Shehbaz  (according to POWO and Catalogue of Life  (Phaeonychium albiflorum according to WFO), formerly Ermania albiflora (T. Anders.) Jafri

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Desideria species- on the arid banks of Rakshas Tal, Tibet

I hope  Solms-laubachia albiflora (T.Anderson) D.A.German & Al-Shehbaz  (according to POWO and Catalogue of Life  (Phaeonychium albiflorum according to WFO), formerly Ermania albiflora (T. Anders.) Jafri

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I can suggest upto family level, see in Brassicaceae..

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Narendra Joshi <nare...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

Wild flower for ID. Located on the arid banks of Rakshas tal, Tibet. Altitude 15000 feet. Aug 2016.

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Narendra Joshi

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Singh ji, for id as Solms-laubachia albiflora.

Does it match with GBIF specimens- one and two ?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Garg ji Herbarium sheets are not clear, at least leaves match.

[J.M. Garg]

A reply from JIpei Yue:

"This is Stevenia canescens (DC.) D.A. German, and previously as Alyssum canescens DC."

Thanks, Jlpei ji.

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