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Padmanabhan Geetha

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Feb 28, 2009, 11:54:24 PM2/28/09
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Dear Friends
Request id for this tree photographed last month growing inside the campus at the foothills of
Velliangiri hills, Coimbatore. Flowers were high up and hence close shots were not possible with my camera.

thanks and best wishes
geetha
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Barry Stock

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Mar 1, 2009, 12:00:17 PM3/1/09
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I believe it is Tabernaemontana divaricata, "Pinwheel Jasmine", in the
Apocynaceae.

-bs
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Rakesh Biswas

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Mar 1, 2009, 10:22:34 PM3/1/09
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Doesn't match google image pics of Tabernaemontana divaricata, "Pinwheel Jasmine, but I may be wrong.
 
rakesh

Padmanabhan Geetha

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Mar 2, 2009, 12:58:41 AM3/2/09
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Hi everyone
I looked up Tabernaemontana divaricata at the Flowers of India site
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Crape%20Jasmine%20Flore%20Pleno.html
The site describes it as Crape jasmine, Carnation of India, Chandni चांदनी (Hindi), நந்தியார்வட்டை Nandiar vattai (Tamil), Sagar (Gujarati), Ananta (Marathi) but not as "Pinwheel jasmine" although description says,"The usual variety has pinwheel shaped five-petal flowers"

The நந்தியார்வட்டை Nandiar vattai (Tamil name) plant that i know and have seen at several places did not grow as tall as the one i photographed. I photographed this from outside the compound wall ( wall of considerable height- close to 15ft.) The plant was a few feet well above and clear of the compound wall. I presumed it to be a tree. Perhaps it was a tall shrub? Will check this fact out during my next visit.

Second question is this -Tabernaemontana divaricata that i have known have white flowers whose petals are 5 in number and  clearly visible in the pinwhell fashion;
then there is one where the petals are many ( in layman's term-  'double' and  for horticulturists it's i think 'Flore Pleno').
So is this a third variety?

If you look up the image at this site( from USA) it looks something even more different.

http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id56016/


Convinced it is  Tabernaemontana  is it divaricata  ?
The FRLHT's site mention several species but images were not available.

So friends please help and clarify.

cheers
geetha

Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 17, 2021, 2:42:51 AMApr 17
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Forwarding for ID
Group discussion at

Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 17, 2021, 2:43:38 AMApr 17
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Forwarding for ID
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Saroj Kasaju

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Apr 17, 2021, 6:27:57 AMApr 17
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Tabernaemontana gamblei Subraman. & A.N.Henry ??
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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J.M. Garg

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Apr 21, 2021, 12:24:55 PMApr 21
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Looks different as per Biotik, FoPI, GBIF, FOI
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 26, 2021, 4:18:26 AMApr 26
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I believe it is Tabernaemontana divaricata, "Pinwheel Jasmine", in the
Apocynaceae.

-bs 

Doesn't match google image pics of Tabernaemontana divaricata, "Pinwheel Jasmine, but I may be wrong. 

rakesh 

I looked up Tabernaemontana divaricata at the Flowers of India site

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Crape%20Jasmine%20Flore%20Pleno.html
The site describes it as Crape jasmine, Carnation of India, Chandni चांदनी (Hindi), நந்தியார்வட்டை Nandiar vattai (Tamil), Sagar (Gujarati), Ananta (Marathi) but not as "Pinwheel jasmine" although description says,"The usual variety has pinwheel shaped five-petal flowers"

The நந்தியார்வட்டை Nandiar vattai (Tamil name) plant that i know and have seen at several places did not grow as tall as the one i photographed. I photographed this from outside the compound wall ( wall of considerable height- close to 15ft.) The plant was a few feet well above and clear of the compound wall. I presumed it to be a tree. Perhaps it was a tall shrub? Will check this fact out during my next visit.

Second question is this -Tabernaemontana divaricata that i have known have white flowers whose petals are 5 in number and  clearly visible in the pinwhell fashion;
then there is one where the petals are many ( in layman's term-  'double' and  for horticulturists it's i think 'Flore Pleno').
So is this a third variety?

If you look up the image at this site( from USA) it looks something even more different.

http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id56016/

Convinced it is  Tabernaemontana  is it divaricata  ?
The FRLHT's site mention several species but images were not available.

So friends please help and clarify.

cheers

geetha 

Tabernaemontana gamblei Subraman. & A.N.Henry ??
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju

 

Looks different as per BiotikFoPIGBIFFOI- from me 

 

 

 


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J.M. Garg

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Apr 26, 2021, 5:12:25 AMApr 26
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Thanks, Lalithamba ji

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On Mon, 26 Apr, 2021, 2:39 pm Lalithamba Avadhanam, <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:
Tabernimontana alternifolia ????
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 27, 2021, 7:36:23 AMApr 27
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Looks different from images at Tabernaemontana alternifolia L.
Also could not find a match as per comparative images at Apocynaceae
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J.M. Garg

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May 2, 2021, 11:15:49 AMMay 2
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J.M. Garg

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May 8, 2021, 7:51:38 AMMay 8
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Thanks, Manudev ji.
Appears close to images at Chonemorpha fragrans (Moon) Alston

On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:22, manudev madhavan <manudevk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gargji,

Belongs to the family Apocynaceae.

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Looks different from images at Tabernaemontana alternifolia L.
Also could not find a match as per comparative images at Apocynaceae

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J.M. Garg

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May 8, 2021, 8:41:49 AMMay 8
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Thanks, Giby ji

On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 18:03, Giby Kuriakose <giby.ku...@shcollege.ac.in> wrote:
Dear Gargji,

It doesnt look like Chonemorpha fragrans, at least the fruits are different.
Further it was mentioned that it is a tall tree, but not sure whether the person who posted the pictures was confused with the flowers of liana over a tree or not!
Not Beaumontia jerdoniana as well.

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J.M. Garg

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May 8, 2021, 10:32:05 AMMay 8
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Thanks, Lalithamba ji

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Based on the fruit it is not Chonemorpha fragrans;
to it looks closer to Stemmasenia littoralis or other species of Stemmadenia, it looks like Tabernemontana flower, fruit also looks similar
thank you 
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May 8, 2021, 12:08:00 PMMay 8
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Thanks, Giby ji

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I too think that this could be species of Stemmasenia

Regards
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Is there any chance for Tabernaemontana gamblei Subram. & Henry?
Thanks & regards
Dr. Santhan P








On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 9:01 PM Giby Kuriakose <giby.ku...@shcollege.ac.in> wrote:
I too think that this could be species of Stemmasenia

Regards
Giby





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