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Pravin Kawale

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Apr 11, 2011, 8:04:13 AM4/11/11
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Hi,
ID Please
A small herb at Phansad WLS
habitat:Moist deciduos Forest
10Apr,2011
Thanks in advance


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Vijayasankar

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Apr 15, 2011, 1:17:25 PM4/15/11
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This could be a Lepidagathis species.
 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

Dinesh Valke

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Apr 15, 2011, 2:12:41 PM4/15/11
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... this looks very similar to Phaulopsis imbricata seen at Coorg ... http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Phaulopsis+imbricata&m=text
Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Apr 15, 2011, 2:25:03 PM4/15/11
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... must add that while it looks similar to Phaulopsis imbricata, Pravin ji's plant is certainly different.

shrikant ingalhalikar

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Apr 15, 2011, 10:42:56 PM4/15/11
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Assuming the size of the flowers as 2 cm I guess this to be
Dyschoriste vagans (Wight) O. Ktze. of Acanthaceae. Regards, Shrikant
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Vijayasankar

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Apr 16, 2011, 1:13:00 AM4/16/11
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Can anyone please share a picture of Lepidagathis fasciculata? I still think it is L. species.

 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 16, 2011, 1:24:05 AM4/16/11
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I am uploading a species of Lepidagathis from Morni hills separately


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Smita Raskar

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Apr 16, 2011, 2:18:53 AM4/16/11
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i think this can be Lepidagathis fisculata 
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J.M. Garg

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“This could be a Lepidagathis species. 
Regards   
Vijayasankar Raman”

 

“Assuming the size of the flowers as 2 cm I guess this to be
Dyschoriste vagans
(Wight) O. Ktze. of Acanthaceae. Regards, Shrikant”

 

“Can anyone please share a picture of Lepidagathis fasciculata? I still think it is L. species. 
Regards  
Vijayasankar Raman”


"I am uploading a species of Lepidagathis from Morni hills separately
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Dr. Gurcharan Singh"
 
"i think this can be Lepidagathis fisculata " from Simta ji.
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Smilax004

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Aug 3, 2011, 1:48:06 PM8/3/11
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The corolla should be distinctly bi-lipped to be species of
Lepidagathis.

Here the corolla is not bi-lipped hence not a species of
Lepidagathis.

The distinction between Dyscoriste and Phaulopsis is too difficult
without having the specimen in hand as most of the key characters are
minute and are not visible in pictures (placenta, bracteoles, etc).

But considering one distinguishing character, according to Gamble, I
think this is Phaulopsis imbricata with slight difference from
specimens from further south.

The distinguishing character is, according to Gamble, in Dyscoriste
the flowers are produced in axillary clusters here it is apparently
terminal.

Furhter, D vagans has blue flowers according to Gamble!

Again, the character of flower becoming scarious (Thin, membranous,
and dry) upon age is visible in the second picture, I assume.


Now my bet is for Phaulopsis imbricata.

Ref: Flora of Presidency of Madrass by Gamble pp. 1003-1068.

Gamble mentioned P. imbricata with its present synonym Micranthes
oppositifolius.

Thanks and Regards,
Giby

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/scarious#ixzz1TzMz3M2E


On Apr 11, 5:04 pm, Pravin Kawale <kawale.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Vijayasankar

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Aug 3, 2011, 6:04:37 PM8/3/11
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Thanks for the good research, Giby. Its getting interesting...
But, Phaulopsis imbricata has characteristic, closely overlapping bracts and white flowers. Pl see http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Ruellia.html
The posted pictures look different from Dyschoriste vagans in this FoI link http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Wandering%20Snakeherb.html The ventricose corolla is clearly seen in the close-up shot. And the inflorescence also looks different.
My guess is Lepidagathis scariosa, but it needs confirmation.
So.....is the search still on?!
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Dinesh ji, a web search for Phaulopsis imbricata took me to your link http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5593762443/lightbox/ which looks like a Lepidagathis species to me. Pl correct me if i am wrong.
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Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



Dinesh Valke

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Aug 4, 2011, 12:12:08 AM8/4/11
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Many thanks Vijayasankar ji for validating the plant at my photostream.
It is new to me and am not familiar to either Phaulopsis OR Lepidagathis.

You may not be wrong.
Gurumurthi Hegde (Parjanya Guru at eFI) had suggested the ID at http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5593765387/


Vijayasankar ji, please look at other views of the plant (whenever); perhaps will help in thrashing ambiguity.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5593744043/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5593759169/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5593762443/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5597845187/


Will change the title of the photopages accordingly.

Regards.
Dinesh

Giby Kuriakose

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Aug 4, 2011, 1:05:19 AM8/4/11
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Thank you Vijay for the reply.  Phaulopsis shows great variation from place to place. 


Then I would like to know one important character of the given plant that whether the inflorescence has bracteoles or not. 

My conclusion is; 

If bracteoles present then, Lepidagathis and it can be L. scariosa
If not then, Phaulopsis. 

I too think that Dinesh jis picture in the link given by Vijay is Lepidagathis (from the pattern of inflorescence) If get a close up of flower then things would be better. Herbs are tricky and the keys to id them are too tricky and complicated. 

I think Prawin ji can clarify on this aspect for us, if possible. 



Thanks and Regards
Giby

 




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Giby Kuriakose

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Aug 4, 2011, 1:17:49 AM8/4/11
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Dear Vijay, 

As you said "But, Phaulopsis imbricata has characteristic, closely overlapping bracts and white flowers." I too think that the bracts here are different from that of Phaulopsis. 

Let us see whether Pravin ji could collect information on bractioles. 
If that is clarified, I think, we can confirm. 


Regards,

Giby Kuriakose

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Aug 4, 2011, 1:35:23 AM8/4/11
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Dear Dinesh ji,



The plant in the above link could be Lepidagathis spinosa. 

Regards,
Giby

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 4, 2011, 1:41:15 AM8/4/11
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Many many thanks Giby ji ... noted your comment at flickr too.
Regards.
Dinesh

J.M. Garg

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Nov 5, 2011, 8:26:36 AM11/5/11
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Thanks for the good research, Giby. Its getting interesting...


But, Phaulopsis imbricata has characteristic, closely overlapping bracts and white flowers. Pl see http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Ruellia.html
The posted pictures look different from Dyschoriste vagans in this FoI link http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Wandering%20Snakeherb.html The ventricose corolla is clearly seen in the close-up shot. And the inflorescence also looks different.
My guess is Lepidagathis scariosa, but it needs confirmation.

So.....is the search still on?!”    from Vijayasankar ji.          

                

“Thank you Vijay for the reply.  Phaulopsis shows great variation from place to place.

Then I would like to know one important character of the given plant that whether the inflorescence has bracteoles or not.
My conclusion is;
If bracteoles present then, Lepidagathis and it can be L. scariosa
If not then, Phaulopsis.


I too think that Dinesh jis picture in the link given by Vijay is Lepidagathis (from the pattern of inflorescence) If get a close up of flower then things would be better. Herbs are tricky and the keys to id them are too tricky and complicated.
I think Prawin ji can clarify on this aspect for us, if possible.
Thanks and Regards

Giby”

 


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Ushadi micromini

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Dec 7, 2011, 8:46:38 AM12/7/11
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What a confusing and hence very interesting plant!!!!


Are are there papers that    show line drawings or dissection of the flowers :?????
GIby???

thanks usha di

PS I do not have access to the gamble book...


J.M. Garg

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Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please.

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Smita Raskar

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Feb 7, 2014, 10:40:09 AM2/7/14
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This is Dyschoriste vagans, Acanthaceae
Regards
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J.M. Garg

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Feb 13, 2014, 1:03:42 AM2/13/14
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“This could be a Lepidagathis species.
Regards
Vijayasankar Raman”

“Assuming the size of the flowers as 2 cm I guess this to be
Dyschoriste vagans
(Wight) O. Ktze. of Acanthaceae. Regards, Shrikant”

“Can anyone please share a picture of Lepidagathis fasciculata? I still think it is L. species.
Regards
Vijayasankar Raman”


"I am uploading a species of Lepidagathis from Morni hills separately
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh"
"i think this can be Lepidagathis fisculata " from Simta ji.
 

“Thanks for the good research, Giby. Its getting interesting...


But, Phaulopsis imbricata has characteristic, closely overlapping bracts and white flowers. Pl see http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Ruellia.html
The posted pictures look different from Dyschoriste vagans in this FoI link http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Wandering%20Snakeherb.html The ventricose corolla is clearly seen in the close-up shot. And the inflorescence also looks different.
My guess is Lepidagathis scariosa, but it needs confirmation. So.....is the search still on?!” from Vijayasankar ji.       

 
“Thank you Vijay for the reply. Phaulopsis shows great variation from place to place. Then I would like to know one important character of the given plant that whether the inflorescence has bracteoles or not.
My conclusion is;
If bracteoles present then, Lepidagathis and it can be L. scariosa
If not then, Phaulopsis.

I too think that Dinesh jis picture in the link given by Vijay is Lepidagathis (from the pattern of inflorescence) If get a close up of flower then things would be better. Herbs are tricky and the keys to id them are too tricky and complicated.
I think Prawin ji can clarify on this aspect for us, if possible.
Thanks and Regards
Giby”


"This is Dyschoriste vagans, Acanthaceae" - from Smita ji.

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Vijayasankar

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:25:38 PM2/13/14
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A diagram of Dyschoriste vagans can be seen in this link: http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=130615




 
Regards 

Vijayasankar
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University of Mississippi

Samir Mehta

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Apr 3, 2015, 7:35:33 AM4/3/15
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Any consensus on the id?

Regards,

Samir Mehta

Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 13, 2021, 6:17:56 AM3/13/21
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Forwarding for ID
Group discussion at

Gurcharan Singh

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Forwarding for ID
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J.M. Garg

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Mar 17, 2021, 2:56:28 AM3/17/21
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I think it maybe Lepidagathis fasciculata (Retz.) Nees as per images herein. 
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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Mar 17, 2021, 1:31:26 PM3/17/21
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Yes it's Garg Ji,
With regards. 
 



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