Hooghly Today : Lindenbergia indica Kuntze

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surajit koley

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Dec 6, 2012, 10:35:50 AM12/6/12
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jmgarg1

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Dec 12, 2012, 6:24:34 AM12/12/12
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There is a lot of confusion in this regard. The Plant list gives three names as unresolved as per link:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498856 (Lindenbergia urticifolia Lehm.)
Few books from India talks about Lindenbergia indica (L.) Kuntze as per the following links:
Refrences are also there from India of  Lindenbergia indica Vatke with Lindenbergia urticifolia Lehm. as synonym as per the following links:
 
 
Which name we should consider as the correct name ?
May be Singh ji, can sort out the matter with his great knowledge.

 

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surajit koley

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Dec 12, 2012, 12:25:29 PM12/12/12
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Sir,

According to F. B. I. iv. 262. -
L. urticaefolia Lehm. = Stemodia ruderalis Vahl. Symb. ii. 69.; Roxb. Fl. Ind. iii. 94.; Wall. Cat. 3923. = S. muralis Roxb. in Don Prodr. 89. = Brachycoris parviflora Schrad, Ind. Sem. Gott. 1830.


According to The Plant List S. ruderalis Retz. is also unresolved!


Do not know if Stemodia muraria Roxb. ex D. Don, Prodr. FL. Nepal. 1825 is same as Stemodia muralis Roxb. in Don Prodr. 89. of F. B. I. iv. 262.

Our group has some posts of Lindenbergia muraria and my species might be the same.

Some points from F. I. iii. 94.-95. :-
Stemodia ruderalis Willd. iii. 345. & c.
  • flowers axillary, solitary, sub-sessile
  • found on old walls about Calcutta
  • flowers during the rain
  • calyx ten furrowed, five toothed, permanent
  • upper lip very narrow, bifid; inside of both (lower & upper lip) hairy, and beautifully marked with small purple dots
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surajit

jmgarg1

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Dec 13, 2012, 12:23:45 AM12/13/12
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Thanks, Surajit ji,
Question is all these refer to the same plant or different plants ? And which name we should follow for our India Plant ?
Our experts may help in this regard. 

surajit koley

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Dec 21, 2012, 2:26:48 AM12/21/12
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Sir,

This is Lindenbergia urticaefolia Lehm. of "Bengal Plants"

Relevant links :
  1. http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C18D5362518C615EF960285696343915?id=805075-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DD07595DB891430FB673E8AD4591E84F8%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3D%26find_genus%3DLindenbergia%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal
  2. http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=DA7B4A0D043CB4C247E943E01A110F0C?id=809906-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DDA7B4A0D043CB4C247E943E01A110F0C%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3D%26find_genus%3DStemodia%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal
  3. http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/genus.pl?6860
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surajit
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J.M. Garg

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surajit koley

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Aug 8, 2013, 12:25:51 PM8/8/13
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Dear Garg Sir,

The following words are copied from the literature (Pennell) you have cited - 
"......... the free lobes of both lips rounded; ......" (for L. ruderalis of Pennell; not of Voigt)

I am very sorry that i fail to find any free lobes in the upper lip of my species.


Thank you

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surajit

J.M. Garg

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Aug 9, 2013, 12:52:09 AM8/9/13
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Hi, Surajit ji,
As you identified it earlier as Lindenbergia urticaefolia Lehm., which is now considered a syn. of  Lindenbergia ruderalis (Retz.) Voigt as per latest litrature: Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (2007- Description & Keys- Lindenbergia grandiflora, macrostachya & ruderalis. Also mentions L.indica)
 
Pennel is cosidered an authority on Indian Scrophulariaceae.
 

surajit koley

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Aug 9, 2013, 3:33:40 AM8/9/13
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Dearest Garg Sir,

Have a look please, for L. ruderalis, at the following sites -
  1. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=3&taxon_id=200020714
  2. you will see a number of pics, that fit Dr. Pennell's description, eg. - http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109006&flora_id=800
Again, i am sorry, i do not think this is my species. Neither KEW does think all (synonyms used by Dr. Pennell) is same -
  1. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498864
  2. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498855
  3. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2587063
Still, if you think Dr. Pennell is the last word then why not take the synonym Stemodia muraria Roxburgh ex D. Don ???, which is accepted as Lindenbergia muraria (Roxburgh ex D. Don) Brühl ???

Thanks

surajit

J.M. Garg

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Aug 17, 2013, 5:50:39 AM8/17/13
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Thanks, Surajit ji,
Stemodia muraria Roxburgh ex D. Don is also a syn. of Lindenbergia ruderalis (Retz.) Voigt as per latest litrature: Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (2007- Description & Keys- Lindenbergia grandiflora, macrostachya & ruderalis. Also mentions L.indica)

J.M. Garg

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Aug 17, 2013, 7:08:01 AM8/17/13
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Also reconstructed efi page : Lindenbergia ruderalis

surajit koley

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Aug 17, 2013, 12:37:58 PM8/17/13
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Dear Garg Sir,

  1. the book you are referring is "Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas". i think it doesn't cover entire India and the same can be ascertain by these very words "possibly within our territory is also......"
  2. please, see the attached screenshots of Flora Indica, Voigt, this thread and another recent post - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/INM9PDos1gI/NX_FkoaJ_ZEJ
  3. please, note Voigt gives no flower description, instead equates it with F.I.
  4. please note F. I. clearly informs that the upper lip of this flower is very narrow and found on old walls about Calcutta, also note, it is Stemodia ruderalis Willd. iii. 345 & c.
  5. I do not know if the same above is synonymous with S. muralis Roxb.or the ones in the document you have cited.
Thank you,

Regards,

surajit

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surajit koley

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Aug 17, 2013, 12:40:36 PM8/17/13
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Dear Garg Sir,

You may also like to see these remaining screenshots in this thread.

Thank you.

Regards,

surajit
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surajit koley

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Dec 25, 2014, 9:57:00 AM12/25/14
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Respected members,

I request your views regarding accepted name of this species. Specially in context of recent two threads -
  1. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/-17Bt037DPE/Tv3t3GqczmgJ
  2. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/UNf0xbE-6vM/PLl9AflVuGcJ
I have measurements of leaves, flowers, part of the plant in this set; I have picture of fruit as well. I am also attaching relevant entries in old literatures. This species, as per characters shown in the attached photographs, should be Lindenbergia urticifolia Lehm. of "Bengal Plants" or L. urticaefolia Lehm. of "botany of Bihar and Orissa" and "Flora of British India" or Stemodia ruderalis of "Flora Indica".

Thank you
Regards
surajit



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J.M. Garg

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Jun 3, 2020, 6:12:46 AM6/3/20
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This should be Lindenbergia indica as per keys, images, details and references herein.

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Jun 3, 2020, 6:13:31 AM6/3/20
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This should be Lindenbergia indica as per keys, images, details and references herein.

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a medium sized individual.jpg
brittle stem.jpg
flower with narrow upper lip.jpg
flowers with bracts.jpg
leaaves at base .jpg
pedicellate flower.jpg
beaked capsule.jpg
corolla.jpg
hairy inside.jpg
inflorescence.jpg
Flora_indica_vol3_p94.jpg
Haines.jpg
Prain.jpg
Voigt_p501.jpg

surajit koley

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Jun 6, 2020, 12:30:01 AM6/6/20
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Yes Sir.

Thank you.

With regards,

Surajit Koley

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Jun 6, 2020, 12:30:28 AM6/6/20
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Thank you.for taking care Sir.

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Surajit Koley

J.M. Garg

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Jun 6, 2020, 1:18:14 AM6/6/20
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Thanks, Surajit ji

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