Viola sp. please help with ID-GS18102020-1

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 17, 2020, 10:58:12 PM10/17/20
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Please help with the ID of this Viola species. 




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J.M. Garg

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Oct 20, 2020, 1:34:05 AM10/20/20
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From where, Singh ji?
Wild or cultivated?

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Oct 22, 2020, 2:40:04 AM10/22/20
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From where, Singh ji?
Wild or cultivated?

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 22, 2020, 3:03:02 AM10/22/20
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Khillenmarg meadow Kashmir, alt. 3000 m, wild, 8-6-2012
This is what I now think Viola reichenbachiana curved beaked style, smaller leaves less than 4 cm in a rosette, peduncle nearly 5 cm long.  





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J.M. Garg

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Oct 24, 2020, 3:26:29 AM10/24/20
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I was looking for an authentic site for verification.
I think I found one which discusses three similar species almost simultaneously, with key features to distinguish them.
As per this possibility of it being Viola riviniana are more than Viola reichenbachiana or Viola odorata (if it is not any other species as listed in efloraofindia at Viola).
But I feel closest is Viola canescens Wall. only.

Pl. see details and key features at

Both POWO and Catalogue of Life consider Viola silvatica Fries ex Hartm. fil. as a syn. of Viola riviniana Rchb. (But no distribution in this part of the world).
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 24, 2020, 3:39:33 AM10/24/20
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 24, 2020, 6:24:49 AM10/24/20
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Garg ji
I hope you realize that taxonomy of Viola is primarily based on shape of style and stigma
I finally agreed to  Viola sylvatica from Kashmir and Name confusion could it be V. reichenbachiana ?-GS17102020-6 as V. canescens mainly because I could not ignore erect nearly club shaped stigma.

My this specimen in addition to other features has clearly curved and beaked style which we never expect in V. canescens. You may compare these two:





 




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J.M. Garg

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Oct 24, 2020, 7:44:43 AM10/24/20
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Thanks, Singh ji,
On carefully checking your 3rd image, I see club shaped stigma only. 4th image is not clear and hazy, so would not like to comment.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 24, 2020, 7:57:44 AM10/24/20
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There is no visible style or stigma in the third image.

I am enclosing another image, I had taken picture after removing petals. 

It is not V. canescens to say the least



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J.M. Garg

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Oct 24, 2020, 9:49:00 AM10/24/20
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Thanks, Singh ji.
But it is not clear to me.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 29, 2021, 7:44:41 AM10/29/21
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Forwarding for ID
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 29, 2021, 7:45:28 AM10/29/21
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Saroj Kumar Kasaju

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Nov 5, 2025, 3:23:35 AM (2 days ago) Nov 5
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Please check : https://ppbc.iplant.cn/sp/536000
Looks close.

Thank you
Saroj Kasaju
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