Cirsium wallichii DC. SN April 04

[Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan]

Cirsium wallichii DC, Fam Asteraceae wild herb from Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu, altitude is around 2000m

[Gurcharan Singh]

Cirsium wallichii  I don't think has winged stem. To me it looks like Carduus sp. 

Achenes pappus would solve the confusion. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cirsium$20wallichii$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/XG5cj2XRDo0/U1nY4DKxI64J

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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <ponsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cirsium wallichii DC, Fam Asteraceae wild herb from Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu, altitude is around 2000m

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Cirsium wallichii I don't think has winged stem. To me it looks like Carduus sp. Achenes pappus would solve the confusion. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cirsium$20wallichii$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/XG5cj2XRDo0/U1nY4DKxI64J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cirsium$20wallichii$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/0HsAwTFVpJE/6l12Zoqx-KEJ   Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

	Cirsium wallichii I don't think has winged stem. To me it looks like Carduus sp. Achenes pappus would solve the confusion. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cirsium$20wallichii$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/XG5cj2XRDo0/U1nY4DKxI64J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cirsium$20wallichii$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/0HsAwTFVpJE/6l12Zoqx-KEJ Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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Date: 3 April 2014 19:24
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Cirsium wallichii DC, Fam Asteraceae wild herb from Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu, altitude is around 2000m

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From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <ponsa...@gmail.com>

Date: 18 April 2014 21:05
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:185394] Cirsium wallichii DC. SN April 04
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I too agree it is Carduus sp, but species identity needs to be confirmed.  If anybody have clarity in this taxon kindly help.

Thanks & Regards

Santhan 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Carduus species- Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu

Group discussion at

Cirsium wallichii DC. SN April 04 (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Carduus species- Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu

Group discussion at

Cirsium wallichii DC. SN April 04 (google.com)

[J.M. Garg]

I think only Cirsium wallichii DC. is reported from tamil Nadu as per details at Cirsium and Carduus

It appears close. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Of all the species of Carduus listed in India, none is reported from South India.

Only Carduus tenuiflorus is mentioned to have been introduced in India as per CoL, but which states is not clear. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Maybe C.wallichii (extremely variable species) only as per discussions above and as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum and GBIF specimens- one and two.

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[J.M. Garg]

But irregular stems are still making me doubtful.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Winged stem we have in C. vulgare, but heads don't match.

[J.M. Garg]

I think Carduus tenuiflorus Curtis as per discussions at DV :: 15NOV11 – 0507 :: spiny thistle along roadside, Ooty

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Cirsium wallichii DC, Fam Asteraceae wild herb from Nigiri hills area of Tamilnadu, altitude is around 2000m

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Agree with Mr.Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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