AKNOV02 Lindenbergia sp. for ID

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N Arun

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Nov 12, 2014, 8:17:47 AM11/12/14
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Sweedle Cerejo

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Nov 13, 2014, 1:17:39 AM11/13/14
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Arunji,

        This seems to be Lindenbergia sp. 


Regards,
Sweedle 

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On 12 November 2014 18:47, N Arun <arunam...@gmail.com> wrote:




J.M. Garg

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Nov 20, 2014, 12:10:19 AM11/20/14
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

This seems to be Lindenbergia sp. 

Regards,
Sweedle 

 

 
 
 
 

 

Lindenbergia species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)  


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surajit koley

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Nov 20, 2014, 11:50:29 AM11/20/14
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This is same species as of Nidhan Sir or Alok ji, accepted as Lindenbergia indica in our (eFI) database.
Thank you
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Satish N. Pardeshi

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Nov 24, 2014, 7:44:04 AM11/24/14
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Check Flora of Maharashtra by M. R. Almeida... there are only 2 species reported. one is L. muraria the other i am not recollecting. i fell it is the other one.


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Sweedle Cerejo

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Nov 26, 2014, 1:11:32 AM11/26/14
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Arunji,

        Sorry....Somehow I didn't see the title of the mail..... I am attaching pics of 2 species of Lindenbergia that I have seen.... 

Your species seems similar to L. muraria unlike it doesn't have red spots on the lower petals... Let us take more opinions.....



Regards,
Sweedle 

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Lindenbergia indica-1 .jpg
Lindenbergia muraria-1 .jpg

J.M. Garg

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Dec 4, 2014, 12:19:50 AM12/4/14
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

This seems to be Lindenbergia sp. 

Regards,
Sweedle 

                                         

 

This is same species as of Nidhan Sir or Alok ji, accepted as Lindenbergia indica in our (eFI) database.

Thank you
Regards

Surajit 

Check Flora of Maharashtra by M. R. Almeida... there are only 2 species reported. one is L. muraria the other i am not recollecting. i fell it is the other one.
regards

satish pardeshi 

Sorry....Somehow I didn't see the title of the mail..... I am attaching pics of 2 species of Lindenbergia that I have seen.... 

Your species seems similar to L. muraria unlike it doesn't have red spots on the lower petals... Let us take more opinions.....
Regards,
Sweedle 
 

 

 

efi page on Lindenbergia indica &  Lindenbergia ruderalis  (syn: Lindenbergia urticaefolia Lehm., Stemodia muraria Roxburgh ex D. Don; Stemodia ruderalis Ritz. ; Lindenbergia muraria (Roxburgh ex D. Don) Bruhl)


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surajit koley

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Dec 16, 2014, 12:14:18 PM12/16/14
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Garg Sir, I have received acknowledgement mail from Arun Ji much earlier, but we need to sort out current accepted names of two FBI species = 1) L.. polyantha Royle 2) L. urticaefolia Lehm.

I remember we had a long discussion regarding this in my post - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/a3GlSW2tipk/xhRKCoYhP6IJ.

I reiterate this is same as Nidhan Sir's post. But I have doubt if the accepted name would be Lindenbergia indica (L.) Kuntze (or Vatke). I think the accepted name would be L. muraria (Roxb. ex D. Don) P. Bruehl.

At the same time I think what Sweedle Ji shared as "Lindenbergia indica-1.jpg" in this thread is same species as in my another upload - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/INM9PDos1gI/NX_FkoaJ_ZEJ. Please note the narrow upper lip of the flowers. I don't think it is (either of Sweedle Ji or of mine) Lindenbergia indica. Because, L. indica (L.) Vatke is synonymous with L. polyantha Royle ex Benth. as per a document from Bangladesh - http://www.banglajol.info/index.php/BJPT/article/view/585. We do not have L. polyantha Royle in this area of West Bengal. Please note L. polyantha Royle has sessile or sub-sessile leaves. as per Prain and Haines.

Attached here relevant entries and KEY in Prain, Haines, Voigt, Flora Indica and Scrophularineae Indicae.

Thank you
Regards



Flora_indica_vol3_p94.jpg
Haines.jpg
Prain.jpg
Stemodia ruderalis Willd. iii 345 & c.jpg
Voigt_p501.jpg
Scrophularineae_Indicae.jpg

surajit koley

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Dec 16, 2014, 12:14:57 PM12/16/14
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Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:205956] AKNOV02 Lindenbergia sp. for ID
To: surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com>

Thank you very much Surajit ji for the ID and the informative links.

Regards,
Arun Kumar N

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J.M. Garg

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Dec 25, 2014, 6:19:00 AM12/25/14
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Thanks, Surajit ji,
In view of the errors ponited out by you, I have updated eFI (efloraofindia) page on Lindenbergia (Pl. click).
I shall be updating the subpages only after receiving the acceptability of the species (in Bold) & their synonyms on this page.
So pl. confirm for changes, if any.

surajit koley

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Dec 25, 2014, 10:13:45 AM12/25/14
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Thank you Garg Sir.
Regards
surajit

J.M. Garg

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Dec 25, 2014, 11:06:47 AM12/25/14
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
Are the accepted names (In bold) & thier synonyms OK at this page: Lindenbergia ?

surajit koley

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Dec 25, 2014, 11:36:25 AM12/25/14
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Garg Sir,

I miss Lindenbergia muraria (Roxburgh ex D. Don) Bruhl in subpages. I think we should keep it and place the threads of Nidhan Sir or Arun Ji or others (where flowers have distinct rounded-emarginate upper lips) under it (i.e. L. muraria). Because I think those agree with FoC or Pennell.

I do not know what would be accepted name of my (or some other also) species, where the flowers have narrow upper lip. It may be regional variation/ssp of L. muraria.
Or it may simply be L. ruderalis, a distinct species from L. muraria or L. indica.
But, it can never be L. indica (L.) Vatke if Bangladesh document is correct.

Thank you
Regards
surajit

surajit koley

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Dec 25, 2014, 11:54:09 AM12/25/14
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Garg Sir,

Maybe this "narrow upper lip" and "rounded-emarginate upper lip" variation fall under 'type' and 'β. major' in "Scrophularineae Indicae". In that case we can safely place both under L. muraria.

Thank you
Regards
surajit

Scrophularineae_Indicae.jpg

J.M. Garg

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Dec 25, 2014, 11:56:35 PM12/25/14
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
A very valuable help.
I shall be remaking up the subpages (will also be adding L. muraria) after the Genera pages is acceptable to you & others.
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