Help in Identification

[Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary]

Dear Members,

Request your kind help in identifying a small? tree. The tree was located in an unreachable place in a gorge, hence only have images from far. Two fruits? or flower buds? are seen which look unusual and may aid in identification.

Photographed in Pynursla area, East Khasi Hills, Meghalaya in December 2017 at about 1500 m asl.

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji.

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Please compare with Excoecaria oppositifolia Griff. (Euphorbiaceae).

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tapas ji.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Bimal ji.

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Date: 24 December 2017 at 07:26
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:284642] Help in Identification
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Hello Garg ji/Kanhaiya ji,

                                     The image is of fruit of Mesua ferrea. It is known as NAHOR in Asaam. When I was at Tezpur I saw this tree in almost every house there. During spring it blooms profusely and the flowers are sweet scented.

Attaching an image of flowers of the same tree taken at Cooch Behar.

  Regards,

Bimal

[Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary]

Thanks Bimal ji. Even I had suspected it to be so. The leaves and phyllotaxy definitely match. But Mesua ferrea fruits have two characters different from this one: 

1. The fruits lack the persistent thick calyx? as seen clearly in both fruits (Mesua has smaller green coloured calyx which does not encase the fruit so tightly)

2. The fruits tend to point downwards, whereas in this specimen the fruits are clearly pointing upwards.

Attaching a fruit of what I had thought of as Mesua ferrea..

Would appreciate any comments on both issues

Regards

Thanks, Bimal ji.

Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji.

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[Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary]

Dear Bimal ji, Garg ji, and Tapas ji,

Thanks Bimal ji for taking it so close. Even I had suspected it to be so. The leaves and phyllotaxy definitely match. But Mesua ferrea fruits have two characters different from this one: 

1. The fruits lack the persistent thick calyx? as seen clearly in both fruits (Mesua has smaller green or brown coloured calyx which does not encase the fruit so tightly)

2. The fruits tend to point downwards, whereas in this specimen the fruits are clearly pointing upwards.

Attaching a photograph of fruit of what I had thought of as Mesua ferrea..

Would appreciate any comments on both issues

Regards

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Please tell me what is this? 

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Please also look at the images of the syntype materials of E. oppositifolia available in the website of the Kew Herbarium. 

Regards. 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Samiran ji. 

On 25-Dec-2017 7:35 PM, "Samiran Panday" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Sir,

                I think it will be Melodinus khasianus or Melodinus monogynus (Apocynaceae).

           Thanking You,

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 10:18 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Dr. Samiran Panday
Research Scholar
Central National Herbarium

Botanical Survey of India
Howrah- 711 103

West Bengal, India.
Mob. No. 09163687754

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Thank you Samiranji. 

However the image which I uploaded here was recently received from Dr. N. Balachandran, French Institute of Pondicherry for identification. 

This was shot in Arunachal Pradesh. 

I think this is (uploaded by me)  Excoecaria oppositifolia, differing from E. crenulata in the much larger fruits, being 4-6 cm in diameter. 

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Kanhaiya Lal ji, 

Could you decide on the final I'd?

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji. 

On 02-Jan-2018 11:17 PM, "Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary" <klchau...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Gargji 

Not yet. Some of the choices don't seem to match to my satisfaction. 

Regards 

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Samiran Panday <sam...@gmail.com>
Date: 26 December 2017 at 14:14
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:284642] Help in Identification
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
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Ok sir, Then you can see the genus Mesua [Clusiaceae or Calophyllaceae], specially M. ferrea or M. assamica. Actually it is sometimes difficult to identify from photo only. 

[J.M. Garg]

Pl. check with high resolution herbarium specimen of Melodinus monogynus Roxb. (as suggested by Samiran ji) at gbif at the link below:

http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441369523310Xwefzr8LnuUrB5rB

http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441369521727Uq4lgtYYxxnzunEO

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Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji.

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Date: 12 January 2018 at 20:16
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Dear Gargji,

Melodinus is a climber which I know fairly well. I have encountered Melodinus a few times rather closely. Its fruits are completely different-somewhat like a passion fruit.This is definitely not Melodinus. 

This could be some Clusiaceae member? Somewhat related to Mesua or Kaeya....

Regards 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Mesua species ?- Pynursla area, East Khasi Hills, Meghalaya

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Mesua species ?- Pynursla area, East Khasi Hills, Meghalaya

Group discussion at

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Kanhaiya Lal ji,

Could you further identify it ?

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul, 2021, 10:40 am
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No sir.