SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
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Saroj Kasaju
Jul 3, 2017, 12:33:49 PM7/3/17
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Dear Members,
Location: Soureni, Mirik, India
Date: 18 May 2017
Altitude: 4500 ft.
Impatiens ... ??
Saroj Kasaju
J.M. Garg
Jul 3, 2017, 10:09:43 PM7/3/17
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Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.
Wojciech Adamowski
Jul 4, 2017, 9:56:49 AM7/4/17
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This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.
See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdf
Authors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens.
Best regards Wojciech
J.M. Garg
Jul 4, 2017, 9:58:53 AM7/4/17
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Thanks, Wojciech ji.
Saroj Kasaju
Jul 4, 2017, 10:50:44 AM7/4/17
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Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .
Shall I wait for further verification ?
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Saroj Kasaju
Jul 5, 2017, 12:35:34 PM7/5/17
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Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Garg,Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj KasajuOn Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com> wrote:It could take loooooong time, as all what I know is from literature and pictures found via internet...However, Dr. Rajib Gogoi will be doing revision of balsams of Sikkim and West Bengal in next three years.I suppose he will be interested in pictures of Impatiens from this area.Best regards Wojciech
J.M. Garg
Jul 6, 2017, 12:10:02 AM7/6/17
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Thanks, Saroj ji.
Tabish
Jul 6, 2017, 6:15:04 AM7/6/17
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I don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.
It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.Saroj Kasaju
Jul 6, 2017, 12:05:17 PM7/6/17
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Can anyone help ??
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Tabish
Jul 6, 2017, 12:28:07 PM7/6/17
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Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.
TabishJ.M. Garg
Jul 6, 2017, 11:09:13 PM7/6/17
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Thanks, Wojciech ji.
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From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
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From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:
I know this paper by Grey-Wilson.
Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.
However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.
Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.
Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.
I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.
Best regards Wojciech
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Tabish
Jul 7, 2017, 1:47:24 AM7/7/17
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Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
TabishHowever the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:39 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Wojciech ji.
Saroj Kasaju
Aug 22, 2017, 11:51:53 AM8/22/17
to Tabish, J.M. Garg, efloraofindia, Wojciech Adamowski
Dear Mr. Garg,
Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Wojciech Adamowski
Aug 22, 2017, 12:07:31 PM8/22/17
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Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out of commision for at least three weeks.
Best regards Wojciech
Dear Mr. Garg,
Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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J.M. Garg
Aug 22, 2017, 12:10:29 PM8/22/17
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Not since past around 50 days.
Saroj Kasaju
Aug 22, 2017, 12:23:24 PM8/22/17
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Saroj Kasaju
Oct 23, 2017, 2:15:23 PM10/23/17
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Thank you Dr. Gogoi !
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Rajib Gogoi <raji...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The images looks like I. cathcarthiiRajib GogoiNeed your help again !Thank you.Saroj KasajuForwarded conversation
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>Dear Members,Location: Soureni, Mirik, IndiaDate: 18 May 2017Altitude: 4500 ft.Impatiens ... ??Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ research/publication/botany/ download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161. pdfAuthors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens.Best regards Wojciech
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>Thanks, Wojciech ji.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .Shall I wait for further verification ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Dear Mr. Garg,Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>Thanks, Saroj ji.
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
TabishI don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Can anyone help ??Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.
Tabish
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Wojciech ji.---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:I know this paper by Grey-Wilson.Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.Best regards Wojciech13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
--With regards,
J.M.GargFor identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:10 PM
To: "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>Thank you.Saroj KasajuForwarded conversation
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:18 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Dear Members,Location: Soureni, Mirik, IndiaDate: 18 May 2017Altitude: 4500 ft.Impatiens ... ??Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ research/publication/botany/do wnload/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pd fAuthors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens.Best regards Wojciech
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>Thanks, Wojciech ji.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .Shall I wait for further verification ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>Dear Mr. Garg,Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>Thanks, Saroj ji.
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
TabishI don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Can anyone help ??Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.
Tabish
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Wojciech ji.---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:I know this paper by Grey-Wilson.Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.Best regards Wojciech13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
--With regards,
J.M.GargFor identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.
----------Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Dear Mr. Garg,Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:52 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out of commision for at least three weeks.Best regards Wojciech
17:51 wtorek, 2017-8-22, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
Dear Mr. Garg,Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
------------------------------ -------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:39 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Wojciech ji.---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:I know this paper by Grey-Wilson.Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.Best regards Wojciech13:18 czwartek, 2017-7-6, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 July 2017 at 15:44
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:55 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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Not since past around 50 days.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
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J.M. Garg
Nov 9, 2017, 12:53:10 AM11/9/17
to efloraofindia, Saroj Kasaju, Tabish
Impatiens cathcartii Hook.f. as per another thread.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 3 July 2017 at 22:03
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 3 July 2017 at 22:03
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
ashutoshsharma11sn
Mar 6, 2020, 11:47:59 AM3/6/20
to efloraofindia
This is again something from Impatiens jurpia complex..
Can be Impatiens cathcartii...
But in last image leaves look much hairy which should be near glabrous and also there looks some differences in flower...
As Dr. Wojciech Adamowski sir have said that Impatiens jurpia is still not completely resolved and there can be possibly some undescribed forms and it has many variations also...
So we can't say with surity about this plant until I.jurpia complex is completely resolved...
Best regards
Ashutosh Sharma
Saroj Kasaju
Mar 6, 2020, 11:58:40 AM3/6/20
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Thank you Ashutosh Ji !
Saroj Kasaju
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Saroj Kasaju
Aug 25, 2024, 9:25:41 AM8/25/24
to rajib Gogoi, efloraindia, J.M. Garg
Dear Rajib,
Forwarding for review please.: https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/KYT5abcG1Zw/m/juLVhWzyAgAJ
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Date: Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: rajib Gogoi <rajib...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: rajib Gogoi <rajib...@gmail.com>
Dear Rajib,
I have not received your reply on this !
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 9:45 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks different from your book .Thank you.Saroj KasajuOn Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 5:20 PM rajib Gogoi <rajib...@gmail.com> wrote:I am finding difficulty to see the image of the species in a long trailing mail, please send me image of the species in a single mail.....it is I. jurpiaOn Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:07 AM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Rajib,It looks different from images from your book.Your opinion please !Thank you.Saroj KasajuForwarded Conversation
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
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Dear Members,Location: Soureni, Mirik, IndiaDate: 18 May 2017Altitude: 4500 ft.Impatiens ... ??Saroj Kasaju
Beautiful images.
Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
This one looks like I. jurpia or something close.See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/research/publication/botany/download/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pdfAuthors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens.Best regards Wojciech
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Wojciech ji.
Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .Shall I wait for further verification ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
It could take loooooong time, as all what I know is from literature and pictures found via internet...However, Dr. Rajib Gogoi will be doing revision of balsams of Sikkim and West Bengal in next three years.I suppose he will be interested in pictures of Impatiens from this area.Best regards Wojciech
Dear Mr. Garg,Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>
TabishI don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>
Can anyone help ??Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:13 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>
Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.Tabish
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Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Wojciech ji.
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From: "Wojciech Adamowski" <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: 06-Jul-2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:
I know this paper by Grey-Wilson.Grey-Wilson C. 1989. The Impatiens jurpia complex. Studies in Balsaminaceae: 10. Kew Bull. 44,1: 115-122.However, recently Akiyama revised this group of balsams and I follow her opinion.Akiyama S., Ohba H. 2015. Studies of Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 2. Impatiens jurpia, I. urticifolia, and Allied Species. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 41,4: 161–178.Besides Saroj's ji plants lacks big lateral sepals - see picture in Grey-Wilson's paper and compare with photographs.I will ask Rajib Gogoi for opinion.Best regards Wojciech
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Dear Mr. Garg,Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:52 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Dr. Rajib Gogoi is just going to Sikkim for field trip, so he will be out of commision for at least three weeks.Best regards Wojciech17:51 wtorek, 2017-8-22, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
Dear Mr. Garg,Any responce from Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj KasajuOn Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com> wrote:Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:55 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Not since past around 50 days.
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Thank you.Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Rajib Gogoi <raji...@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:13 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
The images looks like I. cathcarthiiRajib Gogoi
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Can anyone help ??Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.Tabish
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See recent paper by Akiyama and Ohba https://www.kahaku.go.jp/ research/publication/botany/do wnload/41_4/BNMNS_B41-4_161.pd fAuthors don't describe lower side of leaf as purple, but they were working mainly with herbarium specimens.Best regards Wojciech
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:43 PM
To: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>Thanks, Wojciech ji.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:35 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Thank you Mr. Adamowski. I guess it is matching .Shall I wait for further verification ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:34 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>Dear Mr. Garg,Should we refer to Dr. Gogoi ?Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham.
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:54 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>Thanks, Saroj ji.
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>TabishI don't thing it Impatiens jurpia as in that species, the "hump" on the dorsal petal is 7-11 mm, as shown in the figure attached. Also the the spur (the tail) is quite curved in I. jurpia.It looks closer to the related species Impatiens cathcartii, which is found in Darjeeling and Sikkim regions. The spur of Impatiens cathcartii is only weakly curved, and the "hump" is 1-5 mm long. Also Saroj's flower visually looks closer to that in Fig. 1G.
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:50 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>
Can anyone help ??Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:12 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>, efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, "flowers...@gmail.com" <flowers...@gmail.com>Actually it doesn't agree with Impatiens cathcartii too. Impatiens cathcartii has noticeably large lateral sepals, the ones on top. But from the side-view of your flower, the lateral sepals are very small.Tabish
Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>Yes, the spur shown in the figure in Akiyama & Ohba (which I have attached) agrees well with Saroj's flower. Interestingly, it is different from that in the figure in Grey-Wilson, which I had attached in my earlier response.Tabish
However the prominently jutting forward "hump" on the dorsal petal, characteristic of I. jurpia, is missing in Saroj's flower. I hope this small hump is within the variations in the species.
Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:00 AM
To: Rajib Gogoi <raji...@yahoo.co.in>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Thank you Dr. Gogoi !Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
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From: AKIYAMA, Shinobu <aki...@kahaku.go.jp>
Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, sgad...@midwestern.edu <sgad...@midwestern.edu>, raji...@yahoo.co.in <raji...@yahoo.co.in>
Dear Kasaju,
I was in field in last weeks.
To identify the Impatiens well pressed herbarium specimens with flowers and bottled specimens in alcohol are needed.
Thank you for your understanding,
Sincerely,
Shinobu Akiyama
Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:37 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Impatiens cathcartii Hook.f. as per another thread.---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 3 July 2017 at 22:03
Subject: SK612 03 JUL-2017:ID
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Dear Tabish,If correct ID please include in the FoI.
Need some review on it ?Thank you.Saroj KasajuForwarded Conversation
It could take loooooong time, as all what I know is from literature and pictures found via internet...However, Dr. Rajib Gogoi will be doing revision of balsams of Sikkim and West Bengal in next three years.I suppose he will be interested in pictures of Impatiens from this area.Best regards Wojciech
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:55 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Not since past around 50 days.
Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Thank you.Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
Date: Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:20 PM
To: <aki...@kahaku.go.jp>, <sgad...@midwestern.edu>, <raji...@yahoo.co.in>Thank you.Saroj Kasaju----------
From: ashutoshsharma11sn <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:33 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
This is again something from Impatiens jurpia complex..
Can be Impatiens cathcartii...
But in last image leaves look much hairy which should be near glabrous and also there looks some differences in flower...
As Dr. Wojciech Adamowski sir have said that Impatiens jurpia is still not completely resolved and there can be possibly some undescribed forms and it has many variations also...
So we can't say with surity about this plant until I.jurpia complex is completely resolved...
Best regards
Ashutosh Sharma
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Saroj Kasaju
Aug 25, 2024, 10:20:31 AM8/25/24
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This has been re-identified as Impatiens jurpia Buch.-Ham. by Dr. Rajib Gogoi
Dear Tabish,
Please correct accordingly.
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
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